Forum adverts like this one are shown to any user who is not logged in. Join us by filling out a tiny 3 field form and you will get your own, free, dakka user account which gives a good range of benefits to you:
No adverts like this in the forums anymore.
Times and dates in your local timezone.
Full tracking of what you have read so you can skip to your first unread post, easily see what has changed since you last logged in, and easily see what is new at a glance.
Email notifications for threads you want to watch closely.
Being a part of the oldest wargaming community on the net.
If you are already a member then feel free to login now.
2014/11/25 04:57:37
Subject: Re:Violent protest erupts in Ferguson, MO over deadly police shooting
Lots of cop cars rolled, burnt and bricked. Police station was bricked, police were forced to pull back to secondary defense locations. Multiple fires, store being broken into. Lots of shots being fired, at least one person down and police are in route.
Via police scanner (radio).
On another note national guard are there and about to hit the streets in a few.
Stay safe all.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Crowds in the 25-30s up to 200 armed with bricks and guns. People on roofs with molotovs burning buildings. Cops under heavy fire. An armed vehicle was broken into a bit ago and a rifle was stolen, (most likely full auto, my speculation).
Dammit people! These rioters are worse than the problem that started it!
This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2014/11/25 05:27:29
"Success is not final, failure is not fatal, it is the courage to continue that counts."
2014/11/25 05:27:59
Subject: Violent protest erupts in Ferguson, MO over deadly police shooting
You know, for the most part I've been pretty ambivalent about all this, definitely leaned towards the pro-Wilson side, but I could definitely sympathize and empathize with the black community (and associated non-minority SJWs) and understand their perspective... but given the events of the past few days, whatever sympathy and empathy I had are gone.
Side note "Justice for Mike Brown" is not the same thing as "Justice". Saying "Justice for Mike Brown" means you've already picked a side and its the only outcome you'll accept regardless of whether or not its the correct outcome. I.E. - you're out for blood and want vengeance and there is literally nothing that can be done to convince you otherwise. Just some food for thought, as I've seen lots of people claiming 'justice has failed' with shirts or banners that read "Justice for Mike Brown".
CoALabaer wrote: Wargamers hate two things: the state of the game and change.
2014/11/25 05:36:40
Subject: Re:Violent protest erupts in Ferguson, MO over deadly police shooting
Crowds in the 25-30s up to 200 armed with bricks and guns. People on roofs with molotovs burning buildings. Cops under heavy fire. An armed vehicle was broken into a bit ago and a rifle was stolen, (most likely full auto, my speculation).!
How many rapes and murders in the Superdome?
lord_blackfang wrote: Respect to the guy who subscribed just to post a massive ASCII dong in the chat and immediately get banned.
Flinty wrote: The benefit of slate is that its.actually a.rock with rock like properties. The downside is that it's a rock
2014/11/25 05:40:51
Subject: Violent protest erupts in Ferguson, MO over deadly police shooting
Michael Calhoun @michaelcalhoun ยท 8m 8 minutes ago
NOW: Looting at Toys R Us on W Florissant. Police have suspects laying on the ground. #Ferguson @kmoxnews
Live Ork, Be Ork. or D'Ork!
2014/11/25 05:43:56
Subject: Re:Violent protest erupts in Ferguson, MO over deadly police shooting
whembly wrote: Michael Calhoun @michaelcalhoun ยท 8m 8 minutes ago
NOW: Looting at Toys R Us on W Florissant. Police have suspects laying on the ground. #Ferguson @kmoxnews
wonder how many more people will end up shot over this >.>
1000-6500 SW W/L/D 6/1/3
2014: 12/0/4
2015: 8/5/4
Adeptus_lupus instagram for BR
Ave Imperator
2014/11/25 05:59:16
Subject: Violent protest erupts in Ferguson, MO over deadly police shooting
the police got chased away from the toys are us awhile ago. Now all police have been pulled from the area. They are leaving that part of town to the rioters.
Small groups of protestors now forming in other areas of the country including some in front of the White House.
"Success is not final, failure is not fatal, it is the courage to continue that counts."
2014/11/25 06:15:46
Subject: Re:Violent protest erupts in Ferguson, MO over deadly police shooting
Waiting for my shill money from Spiral Arm Studios
So when is the National Guard getting sent in?
Self-proclaimed evil Cat-person. Dues Ex Felines
Cato Sicarius, after force feeding Captain Ventris a copy of the Codex Astartes for having the audacity to play Deathwatch, chokes to death on his own D-baggery after finding Calgar assembling his new Eldar army.
Ruberu wrote: the police got chased away from the toys are us awhile ago. Now all police have been pulled from the area. They are leaving that part of town to the rioters.
Small groups of protestors now forming in other areas of the country including some in front of the White House.
If the store owners were like the Koreans in the LA riots, the looters wouldn't have dared come near.
2014/11/25 06:48:18
Subject: Violent protest erupts in Ferguson, MO over deadly police shooting
Automatically Appended Next Post: From what I can find it seems the protests aren't as bad as people expected. Ferguson is easily the worst off of any area in the country, protests in other cities are relatively peaceful, and shockingly small (50-200 people average), even then violence in Ferguson is relatively contained to a small area.
This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2014/11/25 06:56:46
CoALabaer wrote: Wargamers hate two things: the state of the game and change.
2014/11/25 07:24:32
Subject: Violent protest erupts in Ferguson, MO over deadly police shooting
Automatically Appended Next Post: From what I can find it seems the protests aren't as bad as people expected. Ferguson is easily the worst off of any area in the country, protests in other cities are relatively peaceful, and shockingly small (50-200 people average), even then violence in Ferguson is relatively contained to a small area.
The Koreans were armed to the teeth and had built barricades which they manned. Rioters didn't dare mess with their buisnesses. Pretty much anyone else depending on the cops were told they were on their own and had their business looted and burned.
ImAGeek wrote: I think people need to understand why people are protesting. A young black man was shot 6 times and killed for allegedly robbing a shop. Eyewitnesses have said he had his hands up and was surrendering, and there's also evidence that he didn't rob the shop at all. The White man who shot him hasn't even been put on trial. Yet there was a guy who went into a cinema and shot and killed 12 people, who was arrested peacefully. Guess what, he was white.
A 12 year old black boy has been shot and killed for playing with a freaking BB gun. I'm pretty sure he was in an open carry state.
If you aren't angry, you haven't been paying attention.
The riots started out as peaceful protests too, btw. Before police and SWAT came en force with their assault rifles and tear gas. Where was that when Mike Browns memorial was set on fire and pissed on.
I am disgusted.
That's an interesting take away from this. I'm totally fine with protesting whatever you want, although I think that maybe waiting a day so as you can't as easily be taken advantage of by outside instigators and/or random looters might be a good call. And you really highlight the core issue here.... do what the police say and you probably won't get shot. Walk out of a theater after killing a bunch of people and do what the cops say... you don't get shot out of hand. I don't think it was because Holmes was white, just like I don't think either of the other two were shot for being black. If Mike Brown had just got onto the sidewalk when told, he might still be alive. Certainly if that kid had put his hands in the air when ordered to at gunpoint instead of going for his 'toy' gun he'd still be alive.
Maybe we need a PSA or something, because people are just dumb when it comes to the cops.
As far as tonight - Twitter really didn't disappoint with the level of crazy, looters ought to be shot, and if people were actually taking pot shots at fire fighters....I have no words.
2014/11/25 09:52:06
Subject: Violent protest erupts in Ferguson, MO over deadly police shooting
ImAGeek wrote: I think people need to understand why people are protesting. A young black man was shot 6 times and killed for allegedly robbing a shop. Eyewitnesses have said he had his hands up and was surrendering, and there's also evidence that he didn't rob the shop at all. The White man who shot him hasn't even been put on trial. Yet there was a guy who went into a cinema and shot and killed 12 people, who was arrested peacefully. Guess what, he was white.
A 12 year old black boy has been shot and killed for playing with a freaking BB gun. I'm pretty sure he was in an open carry state.
If you aren't angry, you haven't been paying attention.
The riots started out as peaceful protests too, btw. Before police and SWAT came en force with their assault rifles and tear gas. Where was that when Mike Browns memorial was set on fire and pissed on.
I am disgusted.
Lets take this down one by one.
There seems to be this straw man circulating that anyone who isn't outraged is some how ignorant to why there are riots and protests. That those who sought true justice are some racist hate mongers who hate black people and are over privileged blah blah blah. That is not the case. We understand why people are upset, I am upset someone died and it sucks, but its not worth destroying the community over,
Coroner proved the GSR on his hands, and the graze wounds he took are similar to wounds one would attain when trying to wrestle a gun away, robbery or not You don't get to do that and not be perceived as an immediate and deadly threat. Eyewitnesses are wrong all the time, its called flashbulb memory. Its a traumatic experience and its being blown up by media who knows what they really saw and what they think they saw?
You compare this one on one incident between a police officer and someone who attempted to steal his firearm to a mass shooting from an unstable psychopath just for gaks and giggles.....im not sure you know what it is you are doing here. The point you attempted to make here failed, and im unsure what even you hoped to gain by bringing this up.
As for the kid, its very unfortunate that a child was shot. However, open carry states don't allow you to handle your firearm out in public, wave it around willy nilly and endanger people. They just allow you to wear a fire arm on your person without concealing it. That BB gun had no orange tip, it looked real and while the officer may have overacted he acted in the way his training taught him.
I don't get angry when a marine or soldier shoot a kid who raises what looks like a gun that's what they are trained to do, and if anything the reaction tonight proves that the community is capable of anything and its sad to see that officers are now reacting this way to kids but getting angry only justifies their actions further.
LASTLY Im not sure where the information you have came from, parts of the protests may have started peacefully, but no they didn't all. and the police certainly didn't attack and provoke the early riots that's just foolish, look at the videos, the twitters those people were ready to riot one way or another.
1000-6500 SW W/L/D 6/1/3
2014: 12/0/4
2015: 8/5/4
Adeptus_lupus instagram for BR
Ave Imperator
2014/11/25 10:58:45
Subject: Violent protest erupts in Ferguson, MO over deadly police shooting
Okay. It appears I was wrong on some points, so I do apologise, I did speak in haste. And not being from America, and not having working TV at the moment, all my info was from the Internet so that probably was less impartial than I realised.
That'll teach me to post when angry about social issues I don't know much about! Who knew...
2014/11/25 11:06:42
Subject: Violent protest erupts in Ferguson, MO over deadly police shooting
ImAGeek wrote: Okay. It appears I was wrong on some points, so I do apologise, I did speak in haste. And not being from America, and not having working TV at the moment, all my info was from the Internet so that probably was less impartial than I realised.
That'll teach me to post when angry about social issues I don't know much about! Who knew...
I also apologize for becoming so hostile so quickly, it has been a long day spent battling for due process and justice to be recognized as legitimate not just hate.
1000-6500 SW W/L/D 6/1/3
2014: 12/0/4
2015: 8/5/4
Adeptus_lupus instagram for BR
Ave Imperator
2014/11/25 12:08:27
Subject: Violent protest erupts in Ferguson, MO over deadly police shooting
It seems like deciding to announce this thing at 8pm (which ended up even later of course) was just another example of piss-poor planing and decision making by the people in charge around there.
2014/11/25 12:13:18
Subject: Re:Violent protest erupts in Ferguson, MO over deadly police shooting
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
2014/11/25 12:13:58
Subject: Violent protest erupts in Ferguson, MO over deadly police shooting
Ruberu wrote: the police got chased away from the toys are us awhile ago. Now all police have been pulled from the area. They are leaving that part of town to the rioters.
Small groups of protestors now forming in other areas of the country including some in front of the White House.
And y'know, feth people's right to bear arms and defend themselves because the police will save you.
Or not...
"The Omnissiah is my Moderati"
2014/11/25 12:20:28
Subject: Violent protest erupts in Ferguson, MO over deadly police shooting
ImAGeek wrote: I think people need to understand why people are protesting. A young black man was shot 6 times and killed for allegedly robbing a shop. Eyewitnesses have said he had his hands up and was surrendering, and there's also evidence that he didn't rob the shop at all. The White man who shot him hasn't even been put on trial. Yet there was a guy who went into a cinema and shot and killed 12 people, who was arrested peacefully. Guess what, he was white.
A 12 year old black boy has been shot and killed for playing with a freaking BB gun. I'm pretty sure he was in an open carry state.
If you aren't angry, you haven't been paying attention.
The riots started out as peaceful protests too, btw. Before police and SWAT came en force with their assault rifles and tear gas. Where was that when Mike Browns memorial was set on fire and pissed on.
I am disgusted.
You should be. Your opinion is full of nonsense.
I saw people flipping a car before anything started.
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
2014/11/25 13:09:53
Subject: Violent protest erupts in Ferguson, MO over deadly police shooting
ImAGeek wrote: Okay. It appears I was wrong on some points, so I do apologise, I did speak in haste. And not being from America, and not having working TV at the moment, all my info was from the Internet so that probably was less impartial than I realised.
That'll teach me to post when angry about social issues I don't know much about! Who knew...
Good for you. It isn't often on the internet people admit they spoke hastily. It's refreshing to read your post.
Your initial reaction is a good example of why these people are on the streets though. The media shows us slanted information and we get riled up and nothing said afterwards will change our minds. People literally think Wilson just rolled up and shot Brown. Which shows the depth of ignorance and mistrust in the community. gaks do dumb things and they get shot. There's no conspiracy.
Justice for Mike Brown happened on August 9th.
This message was edited 2 times. Last update was at 2014/11/25 13:12:49
"Holy Sh*&, you've opened my eyes and changed my mind about this topic, thanks Dakka OT!"
d-usa wrote: It seems like deciding to announce this thing at 8pm (which ended up even later of course) was just another example of piss-poor planing and decision making by the people in charge around there.
I'm not sure what the 'right' time to release the info would have been. You didn't want looting/rioting to kick off with folks stuck at work or on their commute home, so waiting until after all that makes sense from that perspective. Looting and burning an unoccupied store is better than hurting innocent folks who happened to be in there working or shopping. Blocking off roads and highways after end of day rush hour causes a lot less harm than doing so when the streets are full of folks just wanting to get home.
Every time a terrorist dies a Paratrooper gets his wings.
2014/11/25 13:44:37
Subject: Violent protest erupts in Ferguson, MO over deadly police shooting
Good point. The schools had also asked that nothing be released while they were going on or buses were running.
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
2014/11/25 14:13:18
Subject: Violent protest erupts in Ferguson, MO over deadly police shooting
I do wonder, though, if the sides had been flipped and Mike Brown was accused of shooting the cop, would Mike Brown have been asked to testify in front of the Grand Jury and would the DA present all evidence and not just evidence that looks worse for Mike?