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I'm going to say something.
If you don't want to be killed by a cop, don't do things that will get you killed by a cop

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
I'm going to say something.
If you don't want to be killed by a cop, don't do things that will get you killed by a cop

Hmmm... needs more seasoning saucy.

How 'bout:

NEWS FLASH! DRUDGE ALERT!
It has just been discovered that brutally assaulting a police officer can be hazardous to one’s health. We are now getting reports that this is actually what experts call “illegal.”

As of right now, law officials have issued a formal warning to “Avoid hitting cops.”

More details to follow…

 SlaveToDorkness wrote:
The quotes from Kobe and Barkley make me have a lot of respect for them.

It's too bad that the predominant demographic who is likely to hear them most, doesn't listen to them....

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
I'm going to say something.
If you don't want to be killed by a cop, don't do things that will get you killed by a cop

Like just standing nearby when a cop is trying to pistol whip someone else. Especially when the cop is drunk.

Abel has been widely held up as an example of an officer who shouldn't have gotten his job back, but Campbell says the picture is more complicated. Though Abel was off duty when he shot someone on the street, Campbell explains, he was sucker-punched and was only trying to arrest the culprit. It just didn't turn out to be the guy he shot. "All he was trying to do is arrest somebody who was guilty of an assault," Campbell says, although he adds, "Should he have taken his gun out in those circumstances? Probably not."

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2014/12/how-police-unions-keep-abusive-cops-on-the-street/383258/

 CaulynDarr wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
I'm going to say something.
If you don't want to be killed by a cop, don't do things that will get you killed by a cop

Like just standing nearby when a cop is trying to pistol whip someone else. Especially when the cop is drunk.

Abel has been widely held up as an example of an officer who shouldn't have gotten his job back, but Campbell says the picture is more complicated. Though Abel was off duty when he shot someone on the street, Campbell explains, he was sucker-punched and was only trying to arrest the culprit. It just didn't turn out to be the guy he shot. "All he was trying to do is arrest somebody who was guilty of an assault," Campbell says, although he adds, "Should he have taken his gun out in those circumstances? Probably not."

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2014/12/how-police-unions-keep-abusive-cops-on-the-street/383258/

Erm... your point... is?

 whembly wrote:

 CaulynDarr wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
I'm going to say something.
If you don't want to be killed by a cop, don't do things that will get you killed by a cop

Like just standing nearby when a cop is trying to pistol whip someone else. Especially when the cop is drunk.

Abel has been widely held up as an example of an officer who shouldn't have gotten his job back, but Campbell says the picture is more complicated. Though Abel was off duty when he shot someone on the street, Campbell explains, he was sucker-punched and was only trying to arrest the culprit. It just didn't turn out to be the guy he shot. "All he was trying to do is arrest somebody who was guilty of an assault," Campbell says, although he adds, "Should he have taken his gun out in those circumstances? Probably not."

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2014/12/how-police-unions-keep-abusive-cops-on-the-street/383258/

Erm... your point... is?

That when you are at the mercy of cops that can kill with little or no repercussions even in clearly unjustifiable situations, it's foolish to think that "don't do things that will get you killed by a cop" is something that can be predictably achieved..

 CaulynDarr wrote:

 whembly wrote:

 CaulynDarr wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
I'm going to say something.
If you don't want to be killed by a cop, don't do things that will get you killed by a cop

Like just standing nearby when a cop is trying to pistol whip someone else. Especially when the cop is drunk.

Abel has been widely held up as an example of an officer who shouldn't have gotten his job back, but Campbell says the picture is more complicated. Though Abel was off duty when he shot someone on the street, Campbell explains, he was sucker-punched and was only trying to arrest the culprit. It just didn't turn out to be the guy he shot. "All he was trying to do is arrest somebody who was guilty of an assault," Campbell says, although he adds, "Should he have taken his gun out in those circumstances? Probably not."

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2014/12/how-police-unions-keep-abusive-cops-on-the-street/383258/

Erm... your point... is?

That when you are at the mercy of cops that can kill with little or no repercussions even in clearly unjustifiable situations, it's foolish to think that "don't do things that will get you killed by a cop" is something that can be predictably achieved..

So you're saying that we have thousands of dictators running around in the US? Weird world view dude... o.O

Yep. Every single LEO wakes up every morning wanting to shoot someone on their knee's begging for their life.
Maybe they need to discriminate on not hiring the prior military since we're trained killers to too lessen the PR ramification

 CaulynDarr wrote:
That when you are at the mercy of cops that can kill with little or no repercussions even in clearly unjustifiable situations, it's foolish to think that "don't do things that will get you killed by a cop" is something that can be predictably achieved..

Cop shoot less people then crimnals, far FAR less,

criminals often walk away as well, even when they are caught.

Criminals also intentionally shoot innocents, or actually dont care, while police do it by mistake.

Odd that you demonize LEO's while glossing over thugs shooting people.

We are acttualy at the point where even a justified shooting, of a dangerous 6ft 300ilb criminal who was attacking the officer is labeled as "evil cop shoots innocent boy" by default

Rather then at the point where officers actually shoot innocent people with impunity as a rule.

 Jihadin wrote:
Yep. Every single LEO wakes up every morning wanting to shoot someone on their knee's begging for their life.
Maybe they need to discriminate on not hiring the prior military since we're trained killers to too lessen the PR ramification

There are bad cops who though incompetence or malice have killed or maimed or violated the civil rights of people unjustly. It is very hard to hold these cops accountable criminally or even just administratively. Hey, you may get lucky and just get one who will seize any cash on you legally though civil forfeiture.

I don't think all cops are bad. I like cops and the function they play in our society at large. That doesn't mean that I'm not scared to death of running into a bad one. Cops(and prosecutors as well) have authority, and if they decide to use it against you unjustly, you at best might be out thousands of dollars in legal fees. At worst you could end up dead.

 CaulynDarr wrote:


There are bad cops who though incompetence or malice have killed or maimed or violated the civil rights of people unjustly. It is very hard to hold these cops accountable criminally or even just administratively. Hey, you may get lucky and just get one who will seize any cash on you legally though civil forfeiture.

Well that's just not true

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/12/albuquerque-cop-who-fatally-shot-woman-fired-over-camera-lapse/
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/florida-fired-groping-woman-on-duty-article-1.2002924
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/11/09/rookie-cops-fired-after-wild-party-newser/18760863/
http://www.wfaa.com/story/news/crime/2014/11/24/dallas-police-officer-fired-arrested-excessive-force/70063724/

And those are simply examples from the past two months....

 cincydooley wrote:

 CaulynDarr wrote:


There are bad cops who though incompetence or malice have killed or maimed or violated the civil rights of people unjustly. It is very hard to hold these cops accountable criminally or even just administratively. Hey, you may get lucky and just get one who will seize any cash on you legally though civil forfeiture.

Well that's just not true

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/12/albuquerque-cop-who-fatally-shot-woman-fired-over-camera-lapse/
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/florida-fired-groping-woman-on-duty-article-1.2002924
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/11/09/rookie-cops-fired-after-wild-party-newser/18760863/
http://www.wfaa.com/story/news/crime/2014/11/24/dallas-police-officer-fired-arrested-excessive-force/70063724/

And those are simply examples from the past two months....

Or you can look at the article I posted earlier that shows how police unions often get these same cops reinstated later on.

 Jihadin wrote:
Yep. Every single LEO wakes up every morning wanting to shoot someone on their knee's begging for their life.
Maybe they need to discriminate on not hiring the prior military since we're trained killers to too lessen the PR ramification

I've seriously seen that argument put forth actually.

Why on weapon ranges its a human shape silhouette to condition the mind to not trigger a delay in between sight picture and squeezing the trigger

 CaulynDarr wrote:

Or you can look at the article I posted earlier that shows how police unions often get these same cops reinstated later on.

That's lovely.

But you're barking up the wrong tree.

I'm vociferously anti-union. The funny thing is, is that the people protecting bad cops are the people protecting unions, who are the same people with all the white guilt, faux-outrage regarding Ferguson.

Police officers get disciplined for doing something wrong*. In the case, and in the case in Cleveland, neither did.

*The better word is probably "incorrect, as I'm sure the comments to come will follow the "so it's okay to shoot an unarmed person?"

 Jihadin wrote:
Why on weapon ranges its a human shape silhouette to condition the mind to not trigger a delay in between sight picture and squeezing the trigger

LTC Grossman's "On KIlling" goes into that quite a bit. Not just human shaped targets, but targets that pop up and go down when hit. They do that for a reason.

*The better word is probably "incorrect, as I'm sure the comments to come will follow the "so it's okay to shoot an unarmed person?"

"I guess he should have armed himself."
-William Munny.

No indictment in the Garner case due to lack of evidence
The big guy that died that was selling black market(?) cig's

 Jihadin wrote:
No indictment in the Garner case due to lack of evidence
The big guy that died that was selling black market(?) cig's

I saw that today. Never mind that there was an illegal choke hold, caught on camera.




Lack of evidence my ass.

A Grand jury indictment can be based on hearsay evidence and other things that cannot be used in court, and even with this video showing at a minimum an illegal choke hold, there isn't anything.

Cops are a joke in the country, and the legal section is right up there with them in being broken. 2 "prosecutors" throwing cases.

 RivenSkull wrote:


Cops are a joke in the country

Vehemently disagree.

But lovely generalization, nonetheless.

FWIW, the cop in the Garner case is no longer a cop.

 RivenSkull wrote:

 Jihadin wrote:
No indictment in the Garner case due to lack of evidence
The big guy that died that was selling black market(?) cig's

I saw that today. Never mind that there was an illegal choke hold, caught on camera.




Lack of evidence my ass.

A Grand jury indictment can be based on hearsay evidence and other things that cannot be used in court, and even with this video showing at a minimum an illegal choke hold, there isn't anything.

Cops are a joke in the country, and the legal section is right up there with them in being broken. 2 "prosecutors" throwing cases.

Tragic death.

I wonder if they'll release the Grand Jury Testimony...

Cops are a joke in the country

That was NY city bucko.

They believe in the spray and pray/pray and spray type of shooting to

Frazzled wrote:That was NY city bucko.

So "Stop and Frisk" City. Lots of confidence in that police force.

cincydooley wrote:

 RivenSkull wrote:


Cops are a joke in the country

Vehemently disagree.

But lovely generalization, nonetheless.

FWIW, the cop in the Garner case is no longer a cop.

The consistent behavior across the country of cops using excessive force is why I use that generalization.
I find it disheartening to know that if the police wrongly raid my house, my dog is going to get shot and killed even if she is in her cage. Or that if I have any high amount of cash in my possession if I get stopped I can kiss that goodbye. Or if I record a police officer doing something wrong, I have a good chance at being arrested.

I will say, in general the policemen and women are good individuals. We shouldn't dump the actions on bad cops on the rest.

Its so easy though for those individuals who do not like to fire the synapses of the brain to separate the bad cops from the majority of good cops..

 Co'tor Shas wrote:
I will say, in general the policemen and women are good individuals. We shouldn't dump the actions on bad cops on the rest.

I know.

It sucks because I've had both outstanding interactions with cops as well as interactions that have made me look over my shoulder nervous that a state trooper isn't following me out of retribution.

On a national scale though, there have been far too many instances where cops act in the wrong and because nothing happens to them, it just continues. To many times things like this have happened for me not to look at a cop and wonder if something is going to happen. Hell, just looking into the civil forfeiture laws alone makes me not trust cops.

But I'm also a white male and don't really have to worry too much about these things. I have a few black cousins that are in their young tween years that have been harassed by cops while I was supervising them at a playground. It's a bit disheartening to have to explain to a cop why a pair of 13 year old and 10 year old girls are playing on a playground in the summer.


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 Jihadin wrote:
Its so easy though for those individuals who do not like to fire the synapses of the brain to separate the bad cops from the majority of good cops..

Please tell me how I am to know that a cop approaching me is a good cop or a bad cop?

I think iv been lucky then as iv never had a Bad cop experience.

Iv had terrible government employee experiences though (frikin DMV!!!!)

I find it disheartening to know that if the police wrongly raid my house, my dog is going to get shot and killed even if she is in her cage. Or that if I have any high amount of cash in my possession if I get stopped I can kiss that goodbye. Or if I record a police officer doing something wrong, I have a good chance at being arrested.

I...can't er actually disagree with that in many ways.

What were you doing Rivenskull for a LEO to approach you?

Besides I would not be belligerent towards him/her or give "attitude" to an LEO.
I'm biased though because I spent a good portion of my adult life in uniform