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 filbert wrote:
The model is a meh for me but what i find more irritating is that it is a poster boy for the scale arms race that GW are engaged in. Its annoying because GW seem more concerned with thinking up ways and means to get people to buy large, expensive kits and therefore cooking up ways to get these large, expensive kits on the tabletop. So we end up with rules to squeeze in Knights and Stompers and Wraithknights or what have you, none of which works at 28mm level. So everything else starts getting larger to compensate and the scale bloats further. It is cart before horse; the models are driving the game rules, not the other way round.

I can't exalt this enough. 110% dead on, boss.

As a matter of fact, GW is !#@$ed up to the point where we are using them as an example of !@##$ed.

Point on target- who does this sound like?

-OLD
Product and Service Planning-

Short Term Focus

Reactionary Management

Management by objective planning process

Measure of Performance-

Bottom line Financial Reports

Quick return on Investment-

Attitude towards customer

Hostile and Careless

Take it or Leave it attitude


...... It continues, but we are using GW as a very good example of modern day business failure.

 Azreal13 wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
None of those look particularly "scary". They just look like skeletons with funny hats.

Kan, will you just stop it?

I mean, is disagreeing with everything everyone else says all of the time a deliberate thing you do when posting, or just your nature?

Well he isn't wrong. Take away the cool green lighting effects and you basically have a skeleton holding a staff, wearing a hat, and breaking out some sweet dance moves.

New model is silly, though.

 Charles Rampant wrote:

 Azreal13 wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
None of those look particularly "scary". They just look like skeletons with funny hats.

Kan, will you just stop it?

I mean, is disagreeing with everything everyone else says all of the time a deliberate thing you do when posting, or just your nature?

Well he isn't wrong. Take away the cool green lighting effects and you basically have a skeleton holding a staff, wearing a hat, and breaking out some sweet dance moves.

New model is silly, though.

This.
And that second picture looks like he's throwing a big baby tantrum.

"No Nagash, you can't rule the world"
"BUT I WAAAAAAANT IIIIIIIIIIIIIT!"

So this is still legal, right?

It probably won't get you arrested, no.

I feel like it's against the laws of decency, but other than that...

Just to point out, this entire release makes me want to listen to:

http://youtu.be/BLak5i6BJZM

God, the old Nagash model. I mean, everyone remembers the hat, but there are so many other crimes against all that is in scale on that thing that I'd forgotten about. The staff bat. The sausage fingers. The sword seventeen times larger than the scabbard.

It's the cheeks I could never get over.

Soooo I heard this might come with a campaign book with alternate army lists ala. Storm of Chaos.

If so... yes. Want. <3

If it's just gonna be another fething dataslate thing, though. No. Such a fail.

Graphite wrote:
God, the old Nagash model. I mean, everyone remembers the hat, but there are so many other crimes against all that is in scale on that thing that I'd forgotten about. The staff bat. The sausage fingers. The sword seventeen times larger than the scabbard.

Banana pauldrons?

Call me insane, but i would have rather had an updated (ie not rubbish) version of the old Nagash than the ridicucrap that we ended up with.

Although the execution is laughable i still think Morley's effort is closer to the source material and concept of the almighty Necromancer.

Still i havent seen detailed pics of the new model yet so i am happy to have my preconceptions changed....

The old one looks horrible but the concept is better, it's just the execution is awful. The new one looks like a toy, like some kids action figure. That's the level GW are at now and while the new one is technically a higher quality of sculpt, it doesn't work at all for me.

May I ask how is the old one better conceptually?

As far as I can see it is a skeleton in a killer bathrobe, holding a sword and a staff and wearing a big hat. We both agree the execution is terrible and it suffers for it.

Is ditching the killer bathrobe and having spirits floating around him instead (as well as seemingly growing massively large) really breaking your suspension of disbelief so much that you believe it to be lesser concept of undead powerhouse?

I ask this as I often see the argument "It looks like a toy" and other than obvious answer of "Well, duh it is a toy for a game of man-dollies" all I can think of that this one seems to have a metric butt-load of detail, cool thematic parts like the floating spirits etc.

Or on the other side, what makes this look more like an action figure as opposed to some other parts of the WFB range?

Where is the image? Seems to have bee removed. :(

This is better...

http://www.puttyandpaint.com/projects/796

As is this...

http://whfb.lexicanum.de/mediawiki/images/thumb/9/97/NagashFlorianKniep.jpeg/300px-NagashFlorianKniep.jpeg

The new one looks more like this or this.

 Howard A Treesong wrote:
This is better...

http://www.puttyandpaint.com/projects/796

As is this...

http://whfb.lexicanum.de/mediawiki/images/thumb/9/97/NagashFlorianKniep.jpeg/300px-NagashFlorianKniep.jpeg

The new one looks more like this or this.

Couldn't agree more. GW have no idea what subtlety is these days....

Gotta agree that the first pic is pretty sweet (the right hand is a bit of a miss for me but the rest of it is awesome) looks like some nice conversions of the TK Sphinx.

The second one I can't agree is "better" in my opinion, but that is cool. I am just not a fan of the Chinese Vampire look is all.

The Skeletor comparison is pretty farcical so lets skip that entirely.

The last one is the Lich King from WoW apparently? Small picture but seems to jive with the intention of an undead warlord/sorcerer.

The main differences I am seeing in concept here is that the first two you can't see the legs and they have less bling or general "busy-ness" in the model themselves compared to Nu-Gash or Lich King.

Concept wise I think I like the Lich King one the best, but I can understand why the new Nagash has less armour and more flash due to being the magic man that he is.

The only thing I dislike about the second conversion is the shoulder pads, it's an odd choice to keep that look.

 Howard A Treesong wrote:
The old one looks horrible but the concept is better, it's just the execution is awful. The new one looks like a toy, like some kids action figure. That's the level GW are at now and while the new one is technically a higher quality of sculpt, it doesn't work at all for me.

Honestly, I've seen better action figures than some of the model kits GW is putting out lately. I personally feel less childish buying action figures than I do buying a GW kit.

Nagash pic in the OP doesn't seem to be working anymore.

The pic can be seen here.

http://www.talkwargaming.com/2014/08/leaks-leaked-white-dwarf-image-of-nagash.html?m=1

I'd like better pictures before I decide. By that I mean that even the original seems to be using forced perspective to make Nagash look HUGE (Riptide size+) when it could be he's just "big" and the camera trick is exaggerating it. I might be interested in big but it's doubtful I'd care for huge, especially for WHFB.

Of course, knowing GW they will price this far beyond what I'd pay for the sake of nostalgia, so it'll likely be moot anyway. Time will tell, as always.

I've been trying to get more and more on these leaks and current releases, but it tends to be more difficult than I had thought which makes me think that they are trying their very hardest to keep things under wraps. A big declaration like "the end is nigh" and only a couple photos of one unit, well that's pretty hush hush, seeing that the rumors say it's going to be about 2-3 weeks of Fantasy releases.


Automatically Appended Next Post:
Hey all! Just got this from my FLGS!

Warhammer Fantasy players! Death is upon you! Nagash, Supreme Lord of the Undead will be unleashed next Friday (the 29th)! Also coming is a massive WHF Boxed kit named Nemesis Vanguard, as well as Lore of Undeath battle magic cards and a special 2 book set for Nagash with rules and lore!
Here are your ghoulish 25% preorder discounts for this week!

Nagash $78.75
Nemesis Vanguard $161.25
End Times: Nagash $63.75
WBM: Lore of Undeath $5.63
(Prices listed are after discount, tax not included)

These deals are good till Sunday, August 24th, so don't end up haunted for letting them slip away!

Got my White Dwarf Visions about 2 weeks early.

Sorry everyone - some body reported my images...

Wow! Those are cool.

Nagash, or:

holycrapfalloveronceandbreakapart

And what's up with that skeleton beard? O_o

Wow, flying horses made of skulls?

Wow.

I mean, they do look really cool, especially Arkhan The Black, but, wow.

Some nice tattered wings I'll be grabbing when they filter through to the bits sellers on the Morghasts too.

My apologies for the sideways pictures... they are unsideways in my phone and on the bucket... hmmm

stormboy wrote:
My apologies for the sideways pictures... they are unsideways in my phone and on the bucket... hmmm

They're unsideways for me as well.

Holy crap. WANT.