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Apparantly the 2 books are a 296 page fluff book, and a 96 page rule book.

And according to the WD; Kislev is gone (?!), Archaon is stalled by Vlad (Mannfred?) and Nagash has united the VC and TK (the fall of Settra).

http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2014/08/nagash-returns-old-world-shatters-wow.html

eflix29 wrote:
They look like Yu Gi Oh characters to me...exept for the decent spirit swarm.

Nagash is a mix of Heishin and Nitemare, who by themselves are pretty much ancient Egyptian archetypes so it's all good.

So Kislev gone, Archaon vs. Mannfred (Funny since a tooled up Chaos Lord are one of the few things that can stand up to a tooled out Vampire Lord), Settra eliminated (So Nagash is basically a more successful Imotekh)...

I wonder what the elves are doing? Aliathra probably dead. Malekith and Morathi just plotting as usual.

Be'lakor did allow Mannfred to take one of the books of Nagash... I'd assume he's letting it happen so Archaon gets in trouble with the vampires.

Wow. So spines are the new skulls. Congratulations to GW from this visual evolution...I guess?

Nagash looks in fact pretty good outside of few blips...
-the headgear is too big, making his head look tiny.
-book in hand, he kinda looks like he is lecturing
-the sword is way too big for his tiny hand

However, I expect him to look better live. Camera tends to exaggarate the proportions.

Kislev is gone? That's a pity.
I guess GW needed to fill their Squat quota.

I mean, I can understand why they didn't; Kislev wasn't mentioned for a while.
Still would have been nice to see an army list of some sort, like what they used to have.

Does this all mean that GW moved forward the time line?

So.... Is this a new Fantasy army?

Wasn't the Kislev thing mentioned in Storm of Chaos already?

I'm trying to think how I can reduce the head gear and still have it look proper.

I think getting rid of the bone loincloth, bone beard and giant bone hat, I'd like it a lot more.

One big problem I have now, I usually play my games at a GW store... I'm going to need a lot of skeletons... GW skeletons are overpriced and ugly, Wargames Factory skeletons look much nicer and are a fraction of the price... but then I won't be able to play at GW, which is basically the only place I play these days.

Backfire wrote:
Wasn't the Kislev thing mentioned in Storm of Chaos already?

That was about 12 years ago though.

Puscifer wrote:
So.... Is this a new Fantasy army?

Sounds like it's more of a leadup to combining Tomb Kings and Vampire Counts back into one army book again, that is if Undead Legions isn't that already.

 -Loki- wrote:

Puscifer wrote:
So.... Is this a new Fantasy army?

Sounds like it's more of a leadup to combining Tomb Kings and Vampire Counts back into one army book again, that is if Undead Legions isn't that already.

Like it was before... When Wight Cavalry had 3 Wounds. Those were the days.

 -Loki- wrote:
So Neferata isn't in the release as originally reported? Disappointing.

I would love to see a model for her - but then again its almost certain she would be fighting against Nagash (or at least having others fight him for her)

Mannfred seems to be increasingly linked to Nagash - the Elf Princess story running through the recent Army books highlighting this. The Storm of Chaos has him helping break the siege of Middenheim but being driven off before the assembled host of Elves, Men and Dwarves.....

We always laugh about the skulls, but now GW is overdoing it with the floating stuff ... it started with Blood Angel characters and now everything floats thanks to some long tendrils hanging from the body of a model. In small portions this would be nice, but once again GW goes too far with something ...

 Mr Morden wrote:

 -Loki- wrote:
So Neferata isn't in the release as originally reported? Disappointing.

I would love to see a model for her - but then again its almost certain she would be fighting against Nagash (or at least having others fight him for her)

Mannfred seems to be increasingly linked to Nagash - the Elf Princess story running through the recent Army books highlighting this. The Storm of Chaos has him helping break the siege of Middenheim but being driven off before the assembled host of Elves, Men and Dwarves.....

Neferata is the female Vampire with the big hat on the skeleton dragon manticore thing.

These are amazing..... oh god.

 pretre wrote:
Wow! Those are cool.

Seconded. The Spirit Hosts are great and I like the big horse thing, especially the one that looks like it's a cage for a molten interior.

ImAGeek wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:

 -Loki- wrote:
So Neferata isn't in the release as originally reported? Disappointing.

I would love to see a model for her - but then again its almost certain she would be fighting against Nagash (or at least having others fight him for her)

Mannfred seems to be increasingly linked to Nagash - the Elf Princess story running through the recent Army books highlighting this. The Storm of Chaos has him helping break the siege of Middenheim but being driven off before the assembled host of Elves, Men and Dwarves.....

Neferata is the female Vampire with the big hat on the skeleton dragon manticore thing.

Really - well that's annoying - have to see if the fluff makes any sense.................

Well apparantly Nagash has united the TK and VC, but not sure how.

ImAGeek wrote:
Well apparantly Nagash has united the TK and VC, but not sure how.

Erm probably said something along the lines of " I can kill you without even having to think about it, so you'll do as I say".
Plus he's a liche with a phylactery that just happens to be the Black Pyramid of Nagash, which is invulnerable to pretty much everything the Old World has to throw at it.

 Mr Morden wrote:

 -Loki- wrote:
So Neferata isn't in the release as originally reported? Disappointing.

I would love to see a model for her - but then again its almost certain she would be fighting against Nagash (or at least having others fight him for her)

Mannfred seems to be increasingly linked to Nagash - the Elf Princess story running through the recent Army books highlighting this. The Storm of Chaos has him helping break the siege of Middenheim but being driven off before the assembled host of Elves, Men and Dwarves.....

Ummm....

There's pretty conclusive proof that that fig is Neferata.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 pretre wrote:
Wow! Those are cool.

Seconded. The Spirit Hosts are great and I like the big horse thing, especially the one that looks like it's a cage for a molten interior.

Mannfred's model kind of reminds me of Venger from D&D but on some serious magical steroids.

Mortarch? Is she head of a Masonic lodge?

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Ehsteve wrote:
I like the new spirit hosts, but can't help but notice that the increasingly smooth/flowing designs coming out of GW are getting increasingly more time consuming to paint with their larger surfaces. That and I can only hope they come with more than 1 standard pose in a blister.

The pricetag($26 USD) is pretty much the same as Nurglings...and the Spirit Hosts are plastic.
So I think you'll be getting 3 Hosts/box.

In regards to the painting thing:
The Spirit Hosts are going to be amazing for airbrushing. I have a nice "Duck Egg Green" that I plan on using for the basecoating and some tricks up my sleeve to make 'em look ghosty.

Cool, plastic, I was dreading it being Finecast. I might have to pick them up for objective markers.

Some of the others look pretty amazing but fair too fragile to be anything but display pieces.

All three of those models are called Mortarch of something.

Hmm - there's some good and bad here.

I really like the Neferata* and Archon the Black (The latter of which would make a pretty darn good normal-sized Nagash imo). And I love the new spirit hosts. They're very appropriately wispy and cool.

The bad -
Everything is floating.
The new molten-skull filled kitties being ridden by the above look very Necron to me, and thus out of place in WFB.
Nagash is silly-big
Hats are even sillier big. Will giant hats be GW's response to PP's giant shoulder pads? (* - her giant hat is the one fault I have with Neferata)
If they're combining undead armies, it's going to be very hard to match new units to the existing aesthetics of either. The new units, etc fail at this IMO.

Hmm... $150 for the model plus a further $140 for the rulebook. That seems fair.

 godswildcard wrote:
So I guess we won't be seeing a Necrolith Colossus for the Tomb Kings then. Sad times!

Well if you don't get a kit that makes a Necrolith Colossus and a Hierotitan, be prepared for that unit to vanish altogether from your army.

Schmapdi wrote:
Hmm - there's some good and bad here.

I really like the Neferata* and Archon the Black (The latter of which would make a pretty darn good normal-sized Nagash imo). And I love the new spirit hosts. They're very appropriately wispy and cool.

The bad -
Everything is floating.
The new molten-skull filled kitties being ridden by the above look very Necron to me, and thus out of place in WFB.
Nagash is silly-big
Hats are even sillier big. Will giant hats be GW's response to PP's giant shoulder pads? (* - her giant hat is the one fault I have with Neferata)
If they're combining undead armies, it's going to be very hard to match new units to the existing aesthetics of either. The new units, etc fail at this IMO.

But Nagash has united the VC and TK, so they'd probably keep their respective aesthetics.

Shut up and take my money!! lool

I'm happy on one thing, Manfred in on a fricking Abyssal Terror! Finally a model for one.

Wow!

Mannfred.. is that you? You're so.. so.. beautiful! *tears of happiness*

These are all great. Those flying monster-Nagash-constructs are bloody awesome, too.

As someone who has almost finished his starter VC army, this blew my mind. Jesus they are so good, those big skeleton titan thingies, I must possess one.
Oh, oh and the spirit hosts.
And that mount the von carstein has makes me so jealous that my lord has a mere zombie dragon.