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I've been looking at the forums and have been seeing that the formations inside are really great and so are the relics. I was wondering if the relics and formations were worth the purchase or if orks are just as good without them?


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Does the supplement improve the codex or just make it different?

Yep, it's very good. Interesting relics, great formations, etc

In my humble opinion: Yes

I purchased it with my Codex, and I'm glad I did. Even though I can't use some of the formations just yet (Bully Boyz, Blitz Brigade, Vulcha Squad), it's nice to have them and the additional relics they contain within. I haven't gotten to play any of the missions in it just yet, but they look really fun to play, and I'm hoping soon I can play through a few of them.

It doesn't really 'add to the codex' per say. It doesn't have extra units or anything, but it grants us ways to use them differently. The CAD within is really nice too, as it grants us a chance to Deep Strike all non flier units. It seems like a small thing, but since our Codex lacks pretty much any Deep Strike to begin with, this can be a very helpful tool if we get lucky dice rolls. Dropping in squads of 30 Boyz on Turn 1 is stupid and hilarious. I've even dropped Battle Wagons full of shoota Boyz on my foe before while getting first turn, shooting the crap out of everything.

It's fluff is nice as well, like with most of their books. It's a great value for me. I enjoy anything that grants me more options to play the army I love. Especially since Orks had been neglected for so long. I was willing to get any extras I could.

Edit: Orks are fine without the supplement. I've played many games without using anything from it. But it's nice to have a way to throw a curve ball once in a while as well with the fun formations, and great relics. (Noteably the KFF that gives a 4++ instead of a 5++)

What it is is insulting day 1 dlc that they should have included in the book. Instead they took almost all the good stuff that should have been in the main book, and decided that orks would pay 100 dollars for a complete codex. Its also the reason I will never buy from gw again. Is it good? Probably. Was it worth screwing their player base. We wont know till the next financials, to see if ignoring market research and customer feedback have helped them continue to decline in sales, or people just keep shoveling more money into the fire.

Honestly, its some wargear, and formations that require you to have like 5 battlewagons, or 4 units of kommandos, so be prepared to go buy more stuff to use the codex unless you own a ton of orks already. It's just a way for gw to get you to spend even more money.

 Orock wrote:
What it is is insulting day 1 dlc that they should have included in the book. Instead they took almost all the good stuff that should have been in the main book, and decided that orks would pay 100 dollars for a complete codex. Its also the reason I will never buy from gw again. Is it good? Probably. Was it worth screwing their player base. We wont know till the next financials, to see if ignoring market research and customer feedback have helped them continue to decline in sales, or people just keep shoveling more money into the fire.

I disagree. They could have included it all in the book, but it would have still made the initial codex more expensive. They you would be bitter about paying for a 100 dollar codex ANYWAY. Not to mention they aren't going to throw 12 relics in a single book. No army has gotten 12 relics in a single book. They probably never will. The book isn't mandatory to play Orks. It really isn't. The codex itself is absolutely fine. The supplement is just more options. It's not like the book has exclusive units they should have had in the book to begin with or anything.

So the supplement is just for themed list and options? It doesn't make an ork army any more competitive?

What were you expecting?

A supplement is supposed to deliver sidegrades, not upgrades. Waaagh Ghazghkull does this very well, and there also is a bunch of new great fluff and art in it.

I am pretty happy to have bought it.

Melevolence wrote:


I disagree. They could have included it all in the book, but it would have still made the initial codex more expensive. They you would be bitter about paying for a 100 dollar codex ANYWAY.

No, because the whole issue is that GW massively overcharges for rules. There is absolutely no way a codex is worth what they're charging, let alone a supplement. The combined codex and supplement in hardcover should be no more than $50CAD, especially considering they're dumping art in favour of miniature photography.

They could have very easily included it in the base codex at no additional cost to the player. They choose not to because they know people will buy it, thinking its actually worth the price tag.

*Edit* Case in point, the combined total page count of Codex IG and Codex Stormtrooper is about 180. The combined price is $120.

Firestorm Armada offers fleet book, that are also full colour, hardcover, and have 144 pages. They're ~$36.

There is zero reason for GW's books to be even half their current price.

 Blacksails wrote:

Melevolence wrote:


I disagree. They could have included it all in the book, but it would have still made the initial codex more expensive. They you would be bitter about paying for a 100 dollar codex ANYWAY.

No, because the whole issue is that GW massively overcharges for rules. There is absolutely no way a codex is worth what they're charging, let alone a supplement. The combined codex and supplement in hardcover should be no more than $50CAD, especially considering they're dumping art in favour of miniature photography.

They could have very easily included it in the base codex at no additional cost to the player. They choose not to because they know people will buy it, thinking its actually worth the price tag.

*Edit* Case in point, the combined total page count of Codex IG and Codex Stormtrooper is about 180. The combined price is $120.

Firestorm Armada offers fleet book, that are also full colour, hardcover, and have 144 pages. They're ~$36.

There is zero reason for GW's books to be even half their current price.

Worth is all relative. It's not worth it, TO YOU. It is to other players. I payed 40 bucks for my book from my local store due to the discounts they typically run for new releases. I'm fine paying 40 bucks. Especially since that 40 bucks is going to last me several years worth of gameplay for an army i no longer really need to buy models for. So, putting 40 bucks into a game I enjoy is fine for me.

Would I have been OK with them adding the supplement into the main codex instead? Sure. But they didn't. Am I mad? No. Why? Because book printing isn't cheap. Especially with the art, the glossy paper they use and the nice covers. The books are nice quality, and 40 bucks wasn't much to pay for each one of them. I spent 80 bucks on two books on a game that is fun for me and my friends. It's worth it TO ME.

No one will make you buy it. In fact, don't buy it. No one will want to listen to you bitch about the book you bought every time you play.

The problem with stuff like the supplement is it reeks of buying power. It's just a really slimy way to sell a product and feels just wrong. What's to stop GW from selling supplements to supplements with even better rules and just make a max power codex require multiple 50 dollar supplements? On principle alone it's a bad buisness practice.

If they want to sell lore books then fine make however many books you want (they need to have enough substance to be worthwhile). It would be wrong to sell monopoly and only have the rules for houses but if you want the hotel formation you need that extra supplement. That's basically what these day 1 supplements are.

Back in the day before hardcover price hikes I made it a point to buy every single codex, Havn't bot one since the hard cover price hike.
Now as for Ghaz Sup from what I have seen sneaking peeks at LGS if I wanted to double I not triple my current army( which over 8000pts). It would be awsome.

Yawn, more "Day 1 DLC" complaints

It isnt necessary to buy, it is a good buy. It offers new ways to play, and is interesting as it can be more focussed

Frankly i dont care what others charge for rules, as warmahordes rulebooks, in hardcover, could be £10 and I wouldnt buy them - the background just doesnt interest me anywhere near as much.

Melevolence wrote:


Worth is all relative. It's not worth it, TO YOU. It is to other players.

And I never said otherwise. My point was that its absurdly expensive for the amount of stuff you're getting. I don't doubt for a minute people are buying it and happy about it, but to claim universally its a good buy is equally false. What we can say with certainty is that its well overpriced using a cursory look at similar products in the wargaming market.

I payed 40 bucks for my book from my local store due to the discounts they typically run for new releases. I'm fine paying 40 bucks. Especially since that 40 bucks is going to last me several years worth of gameplay for an army i no longer really need to buy models for. So, putting 40 bucks into a game I enjoy is fine for me.

If your argument hinges on getting a discount, then I should also point out I can get discounts on the cheaper books, making them even cheaper.

Would I have been OK with them adding the supplement into the main codex instead? Sure. But they didn't. Am I mad? No. Why? Because book printing isn't cheap. Especially with the art, the glossy paper they use and the nice covers. The books are nice quality, and 40 bucks wasn't much to pay for each one of them. I spent 80 bucks on two books on a game that is fun for me and my friends. It's worth it TO ME.

Other books are also of the same quality, if note better. I'd argue many other books from other companies have a higher standard of rules writing, general editing and proofreading, and are bound/printed in the same way. Of course, you're their target market because you're willing to pay any amount of money for your favourite faction.

No one will make you buy it. In fact, don't buy it. No one will want to listen to you bitch about the book you bought every time you play.

And nowhere did I mention I was being forced to buy it. And because I'm not buying, I'm also not going to bitch about owning one. Really confused what point you're trying to make here.

The question was " I was wondering if the relics and formations were worth the purchase or if orks are just as good without them?", to which I'm firmly in the camp that spending $60 for a chart, some special rules for a formation, and a handful of wargear items is not good value.

It's not a bad book. Scouting wagonz, bully meganobz and kommandoes formations are all great. The greentide one is reported to be decent either. It's not something OP by no means. But they all force to build a list around the chosen formation. Not that it's bad or something.

Fluff's not bad either. Not awesome like old-style ork stuff but readable.

If you're so focused on actual buying, just download it, check it and if u're happy with what's inside, purchase. Noone forces you to buy blindly, eh.

 Blacksails wrote:
The question was " I was wondering if the relics and formations were worth the purchase or if orks are just as good without them?", to which I'm firmly in the camp that spending $60 for a chart, some special rules for a formation, and a handful of wargear items is not good value.

The ebook is available for almost half that price.

It makes sense for someone who didn't buy it to not think it's good buy though

The eBook is a more reasonable buy, especially if you bring a tablet around regularly.

It makes sense for someone who did buy to think its a good buy though