How Exactly does Scout confer?

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**taurising**

So then we are back to they are in the LR, they have to be, we just made the note right?

So when the LR redeploys, they also redeploy, with the LR

They are embarked (deployment status), the land raider redeploys, they redeploy (to stay embarked).

So they must redeploy to maintain thier status as embarked.

**BlackTalos**

Why would they need to redeploy to stay embarked?

They are embarked (deployment status) in the Land Raider.

You re-deploy the Land raider. Has the above statement changed in any way?

Why would moving a model from A to B stop them being embarked? You'd drop all your marines out of the Rhinos when you drive forward turn 1......
Same example: Turn 1 your scouts are embarked (deployment status) in the Land Speeder. Turn 4 your Land Speeder is on the other side of the board, are the Scouts still embarked?

**taurising**

Does the unit inside move when the transport moves? Yes? Then the unit inside must also redeploy.

If the unit inside does not move that means they can fire heavy weapons at full BS when the transport moves. So if the vehicle redeploys, the unit inside redeploys, just like if it moves, the guys inside have moved.

**nosferatu1001**

No, that isn't how rules work

You are told the unit inside counts as moving. Because they haven't actually moved. If you insist on them having actually moved, you are admitting a transport can never travel more than 6" while an infantry unit is embarked.

They are embarked. The vehicle redeploys. Unless you can show an actual rule stating the contrary - and the ork formation rule suggests strongly that you cannot do so - this does not cause the embarked unit to redeploy.

Proven.

**taurising**

So from your suggestion,

A unit is deployed as "embarked", the transport scouts, then in turn one move, they get out and can assault? Since they havent scouted?

And further, when does a unit count as being embarked, if they are embarked in reserve thier deployment status wont change when they arrive, Cause they are still embarked so the unit hasnt moved or changed their deployment at all.

I think every space marine player will love this since they can now assault from drop pods.

Edit:spelling

**Eihnlazer**

taurising wrote:
So from your suggestion,

A unit is deployed as "embarked", the transport scouts, then in turn one move, they get out and can assault? Since they havent scouted?

And further, when does a unit count as being embarked, if they are embarked in reserve thier deployment status wont change when they arrive, Cause they are still embarked so the unit hasnt moved or changed their deployment at all.

I think every space marine player will love this since they can now assault from drop pods.

Edit:spelling

There is no such thing as "Deployed as embarked" You are embarked if your inside a building or transport. Deployment has nothing to do with it. The unit is deployed and they are embarked, but there is no specific rule function that only considers deployment and embarkation as a whole.

The transport made the scout redeploy, not the unit inside, so yes, they can disembark and assault turn 1 as per the rules.

See above. Whether a unit is embarked or not, has no correlation with whether they are in reserves or not (unless your talking about drop pod assault).

By the By, the rules restrict you from charging if you entered play from reserves, and dont care whether your embarked or not.

**taurising**

I am in fact talking about drop pods. They deploy, but if the unit inside doesnt move with it then its deployment status hasnt changed. The unit just disembarks. Since it was embarked, the vehicle deploying (or redeploying) has no effect on the passengers.

In any case, i don;t think either of us are going to budge on this, and just like the last debate about this, it is just going to deadlock with neither side backing down.

My final thoughts on this:

If you are in a diffrent place then when you were initally deployed that means you redeployed. Vehicle, no vehicle, crazy warp storm moving you to the game that is taking place on the table behind you, you redeployed.

Unless you have a rule that specifically states it, you can't assault if you were not on the board prior to turn one or the previous turn no matter how you got there (see above examples).

If you are saying that thru 2 tranfers of a rule that your LR can scout and the termies inside can assult me on turn one, I will respectfully suggest that we play a diffrent game.

**nosferatu1001**

I guess you didn't pick up on the ork reference.

They have a specific rule disallowing the embarked units from assaulting when the battlewagons scout. Implying, but not proving, that normally they could.

**taurising**

Never played with or against orks, so I will take your word on that one.

I do think this needs an FAQ though

**BlackTalos**

taurising wrote:
Never played with or against orks, so I will take your word on that one.

I do think this needs an FAQ though

I will agree that they need an FAQ to stop units from being able to charge after Scouting, yes (RaW)

Although i would have to point out that my local meta does not agree at all with Scout moves allowing charges, but that's HIWPI / Houserule

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taurising wrote:
If you are saying that thru 2 tranfers of a rule that your LR can scout and the termies inside can assult me on turn one, I will respectfully suggest that we play a diffrent game.

Also, unless i missed something, i thought page 1 of the thread had decided that this was not possible as only the Commander had Scout, not the Termy unit, so the transport (which could get scout from the Termies) does not have scout.

**AlexRae**

There is nothing stopping a unit in an assault vehicle that has Scouted from charging turn 1. That was a valid tactic as soon as Marines came out and nothing has changed.

**Nyghoma**

So if a unit has scout and they are embarked on their dedicated transport, is the redeployment 6" or 12" because the vehicle is scouting? I assume the vehicle trumps.

**BlackTalos**

You should probably create a new Thread if you have a specific Question.

This will probably be considered Thread Necro and no one will specifically give you an answer.

**reds8n**

A new thread would indeed be better in this case.

No harm done.