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Nagash, definitely.

Magnus and it's not even close.

Not this kind of thread again...
They are two completely different things from completely different universes and can thus not be compared. Especially not since both are immortal...

Magnus

 Iron_Captain wrote:
Not this kind of thread again...
They are two completely different things from completely different universes and can thus not be compared. Especially not since both are immortal...

Well, Nagash kinda is immortal, as is Magnus due to being a Daemon Prince.

But only one of them yawns and brings back the dead of an entire world with it

And then a cannon glances at him and he dies.

I'm going to say Magnus, just because he could kill undead as fast as Nagash could raise them, and if (in DP form) he could get close Nagash would be toast. The power level in 40k is just that much higher than Fantasy.

 thenoobbomb wrote:

 Iron_Captain wrote:
Not this kind of thread again...
They are two completely different things from completely different universes and can thus not be compared. Especially not since both are immortal...

Well, Nagash kinda is immortal, as is Magnus due to being a Daemon Prince.

But only one of them yawns and brings back the dead of an entire world with it

Typhus wants a word.

 Deadshot wrote:

 thenoobbomb wrote:

 Iron_Captain wrote:
Not this kind of thread again...
They are two completely different things from completely different universes and can thus not be compared. Especially not since both are immortal...

Well, Nagash kinda is immortal, as is Magnus due to being a Daemon Prince.

But only one of them yawns and brings back the dead of an entire world with it

Typhus wants a word.

No.

He doesn't open graves around the world by just yawning.

 Ashiraya wrote:
And then a cannon glances at him and he dies.

Not sure that'd happen fluffwise.

Nagash.

Supreme lord of the undead, possibly the single most powerful character to grace the battlefields of the warhammer world, and now with a model that doesn't look like it was thrown together from random bits of junk in a barbie factory. in times of old the only thing that stopped Nagash was a blood thirster, and it wasn't even close. but truth be told a blood thirster could probably do a number on magnus as well!

In the fluff, Nagash can't be killed (permanently) has an awesome collection of magic items that allow him to break so many of the games rules its unreal. Arguably as a Daemon Prince Magnus can't be killed either, but nagash has shown in the past he thinks nothing of stealing souls and tormenting them just for a laugh. as well as killing everything and making them serve him. In fact its a good bet that Nagash could probably take control of the Thousand Suns, given that the Rubric of Ahriman turned them into what is essentially an army of the undead (he is the supreme lord of the undead)

Magnus isn't defenceless himself, imbued as he is with the power of his patron Tzeench, he has a kick ass beam of death he can shoot from his eye, but truth be told Nagash stands an even chance of laughing it off because of his armour, and with his kick ass sword, being able to almost choose what spells he wants because he can, stabbing magnus in the eye, shooting magnus with his own troops, or literally burying magnus under a sea of zombies and skeletons.

no boys and girls, magnus the red, or anyone short of a god in the 40k universe, would stand a chance of stopping nagash.

Virus bombing wouldn't stop him, just give him more troops. i guess a planet killer could do the job by blowing up whatever planet he was on. but he could probably just step into the warp given he is a total badass. what about the warp though, that would kill him? right? well, he is so badass he consumed raw warpstone to cast his spell on the warhammer world (which makes ahrimans rubric look like a parlour trick) raised pretty much all the dead, and was only stopped (not permanently) by the skaven acting through a ratspaw and the most insane sword ever that is as likely to kill its owner as whatever the owner is hitting. and he still managed to kill a good number of the council, from across the planet before being dismembered and coming back years later with a bad attitude and a score to settle.

yes indeed, magnus would lose, and lose badly

Nagash, the Necrons will be with him.

madtankbloke wrote:
Nagash.

and now with a model that doesn't look like it was thrown together from random bits of junk in a barbie factory.

ORLY?

wow... they updated him.

 Aims wrote:

madtankbloke wrote:
Nagash.

and now with a model that doesn't look like it was thrown together from random bits of junk in a barbie factory.

ORLY?

wow... they updated him.

Oh yes, did they update him!

Haha yeah, I wasn't expecting anything like that. It was about damn time!

 thenoobbomb wrote:

 Deadshot wrote:

 thenoobbomb wrote:

 Iron_Captain wrote:
Not this kind of thread again...
They are two completely different things from completely different universes and can thus not be compared. Especially not since both are immortal...

Well, Nagash kinda is immortal, as is Magnus due to being a Daemon Prince.

But only one of them yawns and brings back the dead of an entire world with it

Typhus wants a word.

No.

He doesn't open graves around the world by just yawning.

No, just creates worlds of zombies. P.S. pretty sure if Typhus couldn't, Papa Nurgle would lay the hurting on Nagash.

How old is Nagash?

How old is Magnus?

I would think that there is really no limit to what Magnus may still achieve.

This is a tough one though, both of these characters are some of my favorites from both universes haha.

MAGNUUUUUUSS!!! Though I would definitely be open to the idea of nagash and magnus teaming up and laying waste to fenris

pax_imperialis wrote:
I would definitely be open to the idea of nagash and magnus teaming up and laying waste to fenris

NOW we're on to something!

 jreilly89 wrote:
No, just creates worlds of zombies. P.S. pretty sure if Typhus couldn't, Papa Nurgle would lay the hurting on Nagash.

I don't think Nurgle or any Chaos god would have much of an impact on Nagash, seeing as that he is already dead, immortal, and has no Warp presence. Nagash is pretty much on the same power level as the Chaos Gods, except that Nagash can actually manifest in reality and is 100% more evil

Now you guys have done it. I want Nagash to appear in 40k now as well. Games Workshop loves inventing new Space Marines, so what about undead Space Marines? It would be epic!

 Iron_Captain wrote:
Nagash is pretty much on the same power level as the Chaos Gods

Yeahhhhh... No.

I am Groot!
/fade

Magnus. He'll go to the Warp and kill the essence of Nagash there. bam.

 Iron_Captain wrote:
Nagash is pretty much on the same power level as the Chaos Gods, except that Nagash can actually manifest in reality and is 100% more evil

That's where I lost yea.

Nagash is curretly fighting over a mesly planet against medieval-level enemies.

The chaos gods? slanessh ate the souls of nultiple star systems the moment he was born, khorne gets stronger if you even fight against his minions, no matter who wins, nurgle engineered plagues that somehow hurt things that were never alive to begin with, and tzench can literally changes the laws of physics so that "the direction of gravity is purple" is a valid statement.

Vector Strike wrote:Magnus. He'll go to the Warp and kill the essence of Nagash there. bam.

That would be impossible. Nagash has no Warp essence, nor any presence in the Warp. Warp related things would have no effect at all on Nagash.

BoomWolf wrote:

 Iron_Captain wrote:
Nagash is pretty much on the same power level as the Chaos Gods, except that Nagash can actually manifest in reality and is 100% more evil

That's where I lost yea.

Nagash is curretly fighting over a mesly planet against medieval-level enemies.

The chaos gods? slanessh ate the souls of nultiple star systems the moment he was born, khorne gets stronger if you even fight against his minions, no matter who wins, nurgle engineered plagues that somehow hurt things that were never alive to begin with, and tzench can literally changes the laws of physics so that "the direction of gravity is purple" is a valid statement.

That is because Nagash is not in the same universe. May I remind you of the fact that those same Chaos Gods are also struggling on the same planet, against the same enemies, and have not even come close to matching the achievements of Nagash? Not to mention that Chaos has no power over the undead. The undead do not bleed or die, for they are already dead. Thus they do not fuel Khorne. Undead can not succumb to disease, Nurgle is powerless over them. The dead are unchanging and do not dream, Tzeentch therefore derives no power from them, nor can he manipulate them. Finally the undead do not feel any emotions, so Slaanesh is powerless as well. The Chaos Gods are powerless against Nagash and his armies, and that is why they fear him so much.

 Iron_Captain wrote:

Vector Strike wrote:Magnus. He'll go to the Warp and kill the essence of Nagash there. bam.

That would be impossible. Nagash has no Warp essence, nor any presence in the Warp. Warp related things would have no effect at all on Nagash.

BoomWolf wrote:

 Iron_Captain wrote:
Nagash is pretty much on the same power level as the Chaos Gods, except that Nagash can actually manifest in reality and is 100% more evil

That's where I lost yea.

Nagash is curretly fighting over a mesly planet against medieval-level enemies.

The chaos gods? slanessh ate the souls of nultiple star systems the moment he was born, khorne gets stronger if you even fight against his minions, no matter who wins, nurgle engineered plagues that somehow hurt things that were never alive to begin with, and tzench can literally changes the laws of physics so that "the direction of gravity is purple" is a valid statement.

That is because Nagash is not in the same universe. May I remind you of the fact that those same Chaos Gods are also struggling on the same planet, against the same enemies, and have not even come close to matching the achievements of Nagash? Not to mention that Chaos has no power over the undead. The undead do not bleed or die, for they are already dead. Thus they do not fuel Khorne. Undead can not succumb to disease, Nurgle is powerless over them. The dead are unchanging and do not dream, Tzeentch therefore derives no power from them, nor can he manipulate them. Finally the undead do not feel any emotions, so Slaanesh is powerless as well. The Chaos Gods are powerless against Nagash and his armies, and that is why they fear him so much.

First off, the DAEMONS are struggling. Not the Gods themselves. The Gods have unimaginable power.

Khorne is God of War. Having 2 armies fight is war. War empowers Khorne (and is why in 40K Khorne is the most powerful god given that "There is only war.")
Nurgle is God of Decay and diesease. The Undead are still decayed and decaying and their rotting corpses spread diesease.
The trampling of their feet changes the shape of the ground, the fate of the living, their very existance changes the natural order of things.
Their blades causing stimulation in Slaaneshi followers and gives them the thrill of a new opponent.

Magnus by a country mile.

Nagash raises a horde of undead... Magnus twitches a finger and Nagash explodes into a ball of pink and blue fire, raining confetti and sparkly bits everywhere.

Nagash raises a horde of undead... and fails because Magnus is the chosen of Tzeentch, the God of Magic (in both settings), who has decided that there will be no Necromancy today (or has reversed the order in which the incantation must be spoken, because he's a jerk like that).

Nagash raises a horde of undead... and then the very air catches fire and burns them all to fine ash.

Nagash raises a horde of undead, and they explode because Magnus.


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Not to mention that Chaos has no power over the undead

Actually, even within Fantasy, there's nothing stopping from Chaos Cultists from using Necromancy. There's even a whole Undeath Plague from a Chaos Cult in "Something Rotten in Kislev".

Nagash got killed by Morgan Bernhardt and his mildly powerful Grudgebringer sword, a sword that would on occassion fail to kill a skeleton even when scoring three hits. Now and again I had to restart a level because Bernhardt was killed by a troll/chariot/ork catapult. That makes Nagash look like Tinkywinky.