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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/08/31 02:43:40
Subject: Inquisition and Space Marine Chapters
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I don't know about you but I have been wondering why there has not been any space marine chapters going against the Inquisition. Inquisition have had a role in the destruction of a few Space Marine Chapters and some like the Flame Falcons Chapter did not do anything wrong.
I want to hear your opinion and see what you guys think don't hold back.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/08/31 03:07:32
Subject: Inquisition and Space Marine Chapters
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Well I do believe the Dark Angels have made many an inquisitor vanish over the years. Getting nosy over the fallen is a great way to get whacked if you aren't a Grey Knight.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/08/31 03:20:42
Subject: Inquisition and Space Marine Chapters
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Because the Inquisition is sanctioned by the Emperor and his last will, The inquisition's judgment is absolute.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/08/31 05:41:25
Subject: Inquisition and Space Marine Chapters
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Not to mention the inquisition steers clear of space wolves since the whole armegeddon incident
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/08/31 07:50:23
Subject: Inquisition and Space Marine Chapters
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Frost wrote:Not to mention the inquisition steers clear of space wolves since the whole armegeddon incident
err hardly, according to Codex Grey Knights (5th or 7th edition take your pick) the Inqusition paid greater attention to the wolves after the Months of Shame. thing is the wolves have a little more protection then other SM chapters because of their first founding status. purging a first founding chapter would be viewed as a considerably larger thiing then purging some second rate 10th founding chapter. but the space wolves are under fairly heavy scrutiny
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/08/31 11:03:27
Subject: Inquisition and Space Marine Chapters
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Growlin' Guntrukk Driver with Killacannon
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Inquisition nuts like to think they are absolute yet countless times they have been ignored, removed, or side stepped by space marine chapters. It is often a question of who blinks first.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/08/31 11:47:34
Subject: Inquisition and Space Marine Chapters
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The Inquisition are above all Imperial Law and authority but their own, and are literally the Hand of the Emperor, and what they do, whether it be Exterminatus of a major hive world or the execution of a Marine they say is corrupt, carries His absolute authority. They are the only group left in the Imperium that was sanctioned by the Emperor and remains in its original form. The Astartes became Chapters, the Mechanicum becaude the AdMech, the Army became the Imperial Guard/Astra Militarum. The Adeptus Ministratum and the High Lords were never given the go ahead by the Emperor. To defy the Inquisition is to defy the God-Emperor.
Generally speaking Space Marines don't go against Inquisitors. The Space Wolves did but they have First Founding political clout and can get away with things like that, same with the Dark Angels who as said, have made Inquisitors vanish before.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/08/31 12:34:14
Subject: Inquisition and Space Marine Chapters
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Its easier to pull in favours of your own with the Inquisition and get them to deal with an annoying Inquisitor in house..........
Killing each other is something they seem to do a lot
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/08/31 12:49:46
Subject: Re:Inquisition and Space Marine Chapters
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The day when one of the major Space marine chapters steps in and stops the inquisition from purging another space marine chapter like the flame falcons who did and had nothing that would qualify for extermination...There will be war
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/08/31 12:55:32
Subject: Inquisition and Space Marine Chapters
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The Inquisition is like the CIA they got their heads in everything.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/08/31 13:29:36
Subject: Inquisition and Space Marine Chapters
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It's called the Badab War, pretty much.
Also, Grey Knights are not immune to the DAngel's heretical disappearing of loyalist agents.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 4214/08/31 15:41:16
Subject: Inquisition and Space Marine Chapters
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Turner wrote:I don't know about you but I have been wondering why there has not been any space marine chapters going against the Inquisition. Inquisition have had a role in the destruction of a few Space Marine Chapters and some like the Flame Falcons Chapter did not do anything wrong.
If the inquisition needs a Chapter dead they either have the sort of public reason that makes other marines join the hunt, or they do it quietly. The Badab War saw many loyal Chapters join in to stop Huron's rebellion. And there was that one Chapter that asked too many questions about an Inquisitor's actions, sending in reports and everything. The most unbeliavable bad luck hit them until they were only a few left, on Armageddon with no apothecaries alive to salvage the geneseed of the fallen.
And ofc, marines aren't all buddies working together against the world. The original split-off Chapters of the legions might still be close to this day but when you get farther away from that point anyone outside your Chapter had better prove himself worthy before you sacrifice good marines on helping him against the Inquisition.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/08/31 16:18:24
Subject: Inquisition and Space Marine Chapters
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Furyou Miko wrote:It's called the Badab War, pretty much.
Also, Grey Knights are not immune to the DAngel's heretical disappearing of loyalist agents.
But the entire Grey Knights chapter knows about the fallen...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/08/31 16:59:32
Subject: Inquisition and Space Marine Chapters
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Growlin' Guntrukk Driver with Killacannon
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Deadshot wrote:The Inquisition are above all Imperial Law and authority but their own, and are literally the Hand of the Emperor, and what they do, whether it be Exterminatus of a major hive world or the execution of a Marine they say is corrupt, carries His absolute authority. They are the only group left in the Imperium that was sanctioned by the Emperor and remains in its original form. The Astartes became Chapters, the Mechanicum becaude the AdMech, the Army became the Imperial Guard/Astra Militarum. The Adeptus Ministratum and the High Lords were never given the go ahead by the Emperor. To defy the Inquisition is to defy the God-Emperor.
Generally speaking Space Marines don't go against Inquisitors. The Space Wolves did but they have First Founding political clout and can get away with things like that, same with the Dark Angels who as said, have made Inquisitors vanish before.
Many on the upper levels of politics don't really concern themselves that heavily with the last commandment of the emperor. The inquisition serves a political purpose and is another tool. They have also been denied and removed.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/08/31 17:13:36
Subject: Inquisition and Space Marine Chapters
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Keeper of the Holy Orb of Antioch
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The only safer ones are first founding and there fact they served in great crusade and have 10,000 years loyal service.
Better bring some very solid proof or your getting nowhere.
They are not immune but you better have solid evidence as marines are not going be too happy if your wiping put chapters on a whim. Also very resource intensive.
Though even inquisitors are smart ernough to ask space marines for help, you cannot walk in and make demands of a chapter master or such in hostile way.
There proud but also very powerful. They may have unlimited power but there also walking deep into someone's home, up to 1000 superhuman troops, warships and defences in orbit.
Not place you want to start trouble.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/08/31 19:49:11
Subject: Inquisition and Space Marine Chapters
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Wyzilla wrote: Furyou Miko wrote:It's called the Badab War, pretty much.
Also, Grey Knights are not immune to the DAngel's heretical disappearing of loyalist agents.
But the entire Grey Knights chapter knows about the fallen...
Do the Dark Angels know they know? Or is it just that Grey Knights are as hard to track down as Fallen..?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/08/31 19:57:42
Subject: Inquisition and Space Marine Chapters
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Pragmatic Primus Commanding Cult Forces
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It is actually not that uncommon for a Space Marine Chapter to defy or refuse an Inquisitor. Inquisitors are not all-powerful, and many Chapters are fiercely independent. It takes a very powerful Inquisitor to get such a Chapter to fall in line and obey orders. Mostly, Space Marines just work alongside the Inquisition of their own accord. Than there are also the very powerful and influential Space Marine chapters such as the Dark Angels or Black Templars who make Inquisitors that get too curious 'disappear', and the Space Wolves, who once actually fought a short war against the Inquisition.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/08/31 20:11:17
Subject: Re:Inquisition and Space Marine Chapters
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Mighty Vampire Count
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Black Templars who make Inquisitors that get too curious 'disappear'
Dark Angels - yes - not sure about the BT doing this?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/08/31 20:26:46
Subject: Inquisition and Space Marine Chapters
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Growlin' Guntrukk Driver with Killacannon
USA, Maine
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The 4th edition book implied as much when inquisitors would start asking questions about just how many BT there were running around.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/03/08 14:19:41
Subject: Inquisition and Space Marine Chapters
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It helps that the Space Wolves are larger than your average chapter too. Plus, who would take on a bunch of crazy Vikings who were basically on your side most of the time anyway?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/09/01 14:23:54
Subject: Inquisition and Space Marine Chapters
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Furyou Miko wrote: Wyzilla wrote: Furyou Miko wrote:It's called the Badab War, pretty much.
Also, Grey Knights are not immune to the DAngel's heretical disappearing of loyalist agents.
But the entire Grey Knights chapter knows about the fallen...
Do the Dark Angels know they know? Or is it just that Grey Knights are as hard to track down as Fallen..?
Yes, it's been used by the Grey Knights to make the DA do their bidding afaik.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/09/01 14:44:49
Subject: Inquisition and Space Marine Chapters
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ChazSexington wrote: Furyou Miko wrote: Wyzilla wrote: Furyou Miko wrote:It's called the Badab War, pretty much.
Also, Grey Knights are not immune to the DAngel's heretical disappearing of loyalist agents.
But the entire Grey Knights chapter knows about the fallen...
Do the Dark Angels know they know? Or is it just that Grey Knights are as hard to track down as Fallen..?
Yes, it's been used by the Grey Knights to make the DA do their bidding afaik.
and IIRC this was played on Pandroax, which is why the whole chapter participated in the campaign.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/09/01 16:18:31
Subject: Inquisition and Space Marine Chapters
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Mighty Vampire Count
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PhillyT wrote:The 4th edition book implied as much when inquisitors would start asking questions about just how many BT there were running around.
Interesting as the bit I recall was:
"Certain members of the Inquisition have expressed concern over the potential size of the Chapter, but since there has been no evidence of disloyalty in their long history and none have found evidence to challenge the Chapter on its Numbers, the Chapters true size remains a mystery."
The Black Templars I would think are one of the best tools for the Inqusiiton as they are fairly predictable and stable by Astartes standards - you wouldn't want to use them if your are a radical but even then they are fantical loyal to the Imperium - its a bit like the Sororitas with whom they have a strong bond.................
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/09/02 18:24:03
Subject: Inquisition and Space Marine Chapters
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Gore-Soaked Lunatic Witchhunter
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Turner wrote:I don't know about you but I have been wondering why there has not been any space marine chapters going against the Inquisition. Inquisition have had a role in the destruction of a few Space Marine Chapters and some like the Flame Falcons Chapter did not do anything wrong.
I want to hear your opinion and see what you guys think don't hold back.
Because a single Space Marine Chapter that does not have Space Wolf level of Plot Armor would find itself disappeared post-haste by the Inquisition.
There are two groups of people beyond the Inquisition's authority: One of them is the God-Emperor, Himself. The other is the Adeptus Custodes who guard His person.
The rest? The rest are under the authority of the Inquisition.
So one Chapter gets a wild hair and attacks the Inquisition. That Chapter's homeworld suddenly explodes as thirty-seven other Chapters, four Orders Militant and two hundred forty-seven Regiments of the Imperial Guard, all supported by a Segmentum Battlegroup of the Imperial Navy, descends on it and erases it from the galactic maps.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/09/02 18:34:52
Subject: Inquisition and Space Marine Chapters
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Psienesis wrote:
So one Chapter gets a wild hair and attacks the Inquisition. That Chapter's homeworld suddenly explodes as thirty-seven other Chapters, four Orders Militant and two hundred forty-seven Regiments of the Imperial Guard, all supported by a Segmentum Battlegroup of the Imperial Navy, descends on it and erases it from the galactic maps.
I don't recall that ever happening in the fluff before.
If anything, things like the Badab War showed that even Space Marines (whom are normally supposed to be one of the fastest response branches of the Imperial military) are wary of acting when their own independence is the issue in question. It also shows that they prefer to take charge in such matters (which is why most of the Badab War was Space Marine vs Space Marine. The inquisitor that was officially in charge of the whole thing was sidelined.)
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/09/02 18:37:19
Subject: Inquisition and Space Marine Chapters
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Gore-Soaked Lunatic Witchhunter
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It hasn't happened in the fluff before because no single Space Marine Chapter is stupid enough to declare war on the entire Inquisition.
But if you want an example of a Chapter that goes off the track and starts thinking they're all that... look to the Soul-Drinkers. The Relictors. The Flame Falcons. There are a number of Space Marine Chapters that have gotten themselves purged and/or declared Excommunicatus Traitoris.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/09/02 18:50:52
Subject: Inquisition and Space Marine Chapters
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All of those chapters you listed were declared traitors for reasons other than going against the Inquisition... (well, besides the Relictors in a way, but in their case it was more a "final straw" thing since they were already in the process of being declared traitors for something else)
Only chapter I can think of that was (nearly) wiped out for "going against the Inquisition" specifically was the Celestial Lions. It's important to note though that even in that case, the Inquisition acted covertly rather than be up front about it (...for a given definition of covertly)
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/09/02 18:58:32
Subject: Inquisition and Space Marine Chapters
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Gore-Soaked Lunatic Witchhunter
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And attacking the Inquisition, which obtains its authority and existence by direct command and word of the Emperor, is high treason. You might as well consort with Daemons, you'd be no less guilty.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/09/02 19:08:30
Subject: Re:Inquisition and Space Marine Chapters
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Soul Drinkers are a great read in the books.
Being harassed by a lord of change so they mutate making them an "obvious" heretic but actually a loyal SM force.
Inquisition of various types go after them and in another case, help them.
BT I read all their codex fluff and yes, their size is of some concern but loyalty is fanatic in the extreme.
Codex BT 4th edition:
However, it has been estimated that there may be several thousand Black Templars Companies spread out around the galaxy - an almost unstoppable force if gathered at one place and cause for the Inquisition to keep a close eye on the Black Templars.
I treat my brand of BT as a "crusade" of SM assigned to the Inquisition as "tribute" to prove their loyalty.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/09/02 19:29:03
Subject: Inquisition and Space Marine Chapters
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TiamatRoar wrote: Psienesis wrote:
So one Chapter gets a wild hair and attacks the Inquisition. That Chapter's homeworld suddenly explodes as thirty-seven other Chapters, four Orders Militant and two hundred forty-seven Regiments of the Imperial Guard, all supported by a Segmentum Battlegroup of the Imperial Navy, descends on it and erases it from the galactic maps.
I don't recall that ever happening in the fluff before.
If anything, things like the Badab War showed that even Space Marines (whom are normally supposed to be one of the fastest response branches of the Imperial military) are wary of acting when their own independence is the issue in question. It also shows that they prefer to take charge in such matters (which is why most of the Badab War was Space Marine vs Space Marine. The inquisitor that was officially in charge of the whole thing was sidelined.)
As said, that is because no SM is stupid enough to go against the Inquisition in open disobedience. The Astral Claws are an exceptuon as they were able to pull Legio Astartes levels of manpower, as well as their own human and mechanised/artillery regiments, and a few other Chapters to boot. The Badab war was the largest SMvSM conflict since the Heresy.
The reason why it was Marine vs Marine is because Marines are designed to be in every way better than humans. There's no point sending in Guardsmen to get slaughtered. Send in Marines and have a fighting chance. Being largely independent and more importantly, soldiers, it makes sense to sideline the Inquisitor, who is at the end of the day, the Gestapo crossed with the FBI. They are secret police investigators and nothing more.
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