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For a long time GW has strayed from sexuality as a large part of the target market (US/UK) has issues with talking about sexuality, but not violence.

This has even shown up as a toning down of models that were female, GW probably has less female models now then ever in its history.

And a reduction of mono-breast slaaneshi hermphrodites, as well as the toning down of daemonettes.



I think the imperium overall is probably much like our planet, where some nations are okay with it, some don't care, and some are russia.

blaktoof wrote:
For a long time GW has strayed from sexuality as a large part of the target market (US/UK) has issues with talking about sexuality, but not violence.

This has even shown up as a toning down of models that were female, GW probably has less female models now then ever in its history.

Look-at-my-naked-breasts Morathi would like to have a word

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

blaktoof wrote:
For a long time GW has strayed from sexuality as a large part of the target market (US/UK) has issues with talking about sexuality, but not violence.

This has even shown up as a toning down of models that were female, GW probably has less female models now then ever in its history.

Look-at-my-naked-breasts Morathi would like to have a word

Yeah but how old is that model? At least 13 years old as it is in the Dark Elf army book 2 books before the current one

fairly certain thats a every old model.

as



pewter blister pack, which was originally released in 6th edition FB, dark elves sixth edition was released in 2001 so yeah the model is 13 years old. How many of the new fb witches are bare chested? none. Morathi is there, and so are the harpies but those models are all over a decade old.

was the original sculpt and they just made it into finecast resin from that same sculpt which you can get direct only now.

I've read quite a lot of books which point to promiscuity amongst the Imperial Guard [as women make up a significant portion]. If sexual relationships within the Imperial Guard are allowed, I don't see why this would exclude lesbian and gay relationships, and have not read anything which would suggest this is the case. I guess the Emp has far bigger things to think about!

Marines though... there does seem to be a lot of bromance, but seeing as all indications have them either being sterlised or castrated, I don't think it goes beyond deep tissue massages, shared baths and energetic wrestling matches.

I'm going to go with the folks who say that sexual preference has no role in the grim dark future.

There is no room for LGBT. Nor is there room for heteroxexual.

yeah, as its a table top game about war, and the fluff/background mostly is in support of that we probably aren't going to get much fluff on peoples interpersonal fornication preferences or romances.

"I move my slaanesh pleasure lord to within 6" of your space marine captain, he/she gives a longing glance to the space marine captain and rolls a sexy look test, make a leadership test or hit on me while you stare at the pleasure lords mono-boob."

or

"The hive tyrant charges your guardsmen blob. Commissar Lord Kell looks sternly at his troops, they look at him wanting to run in abject terror and Kell notices the guardsmen closest to him is Steven Sharpe, Kell has always loved Steven so dearly ever since that time on Istavaan IV, Kell bites down hard and holds back a tear as he raises his bolt pistol, "the emperors moralizer" and points it squarely at Stevens head. Steve freezes in place and stares from the barrel of the bolt pistol forwards deep into Kells eyes because he felt it too back on Istavaan IV, and if hes going to go he wants the commissar he loves to be the one to do it not some hell spawned tyranid monstrosity.

Kell closes his eyes, and slides his finger from the side of the bolt pistol to the trigger, Steven closes his eyes and waits for the inevitable darkness to wash over him. BLAT BLAT THUNK. Kell at the last moment moved the bolt pistol slightly to the left and executed Charles Worthington III who merely happened to be standing by Steven, Kell drops his bolt pistol and runs into Stevens arms. They embrace each other, their unspoken love at last rushing over them and covering their skin in goose bumps as they pull in towards one another for a kiss..before their lips touch a searing hot lightning bolt of pain ruptures through both of them and all is lost as the hive tyrants scything talons arc through the air like murderous reaping scythes cleaving through each of the unrequited lovers from the top of their skulls downwards- splitting them in twain in two fountains of red gore and hot crimson mist. The guardsmen surrounding them drop their guns and attempt to flee the indescribable horror that begins rampaging through their ranks only to be cut down as they slip and fall over the slick bloodied ground beneath them, cowering in utter fear from the Hive tyrant as it lays waste to the guardsmen leaving barely a trace of discernible visceral mass among the once grassy field. The hive tyrant rears its head howling out a triumphant screech into the grim dark of the night signalling the horde of scuttling termagants swarming behind it forward..."

ya forging the narrative pewpew!

 A Town Called Malus wrote:
Yeah but how old is that model?

Old, but not sure that it is older than the change of the daemonettes. And she was not changed for all those years, which is telling something.

blaktoof wrote:
How many of the new fb witches are bare chested?

How many were, in the history of ever?

Dark Elf Witches have always been chainmail bikini types rather than naked. Always. I think there might have been a naked one on the Throne of Blood. Maybe.

blaktoof wrote:

Spoiler:

yeah, as its a table top game about war, and the fluff/background mostly is in support of that we probably aren't going to get much fluff on peoples interpersonal fornication preferences or romances.

"I move my slaanesh pleasure lord to within 6" of your space marine captain, he/she gives a longing glance to the space marine captain and rolls a sexy look test, make a leadership test or hit on me while you stare at the pleasure lords mono-boob."

or

"The hive tyrant charges your guardsmen blob. Commissar Lord Kell looks sternly at his troops, they look at him wanting to run in abject terror and Kell notices the guardsmen closest to him is Steven Sharpe, Kell has always loved Steven so dearly ever since that time on Istavaan IV, Kell bites down hard and holds back a tear as he raises his bolt pistol, "the emperors moralizer" and points it squarely at Stevens head. Steve freezes in place and stares from the barrel of the bolt pistol forwards deep into Kells eyes because he felt it too back on Istavaan IV, and if hes going to go he wants the commissar he loves to be the one to do it not some hell spawned tyranid monstrosity.

Kell closes his eyes, and slides his finger from the side of the bolt pistol to the trigger, Steven closes his eyes and waits for the inevitable darkness to wash over him. BLAT BLAT THUNK. Kell at the last moment moved the bolt pistol slightly to the left and executed Charles Worthington III who merely happened to be standing by Steven, Kell drops his bolt pistol and runs into Stevens arms. They embrace each other, their unspoken love at last rushing over them and covering their skin in goose bumps as they pull in towards one another for a kiss..before their lips touch a searing hot lightning bolt of pain ruptures through both of them and all is lost as the hive tyrants scything talons arc through the air like murderous reaping scythes cleaving through each of the unrequited lovers from the top of their skulls downwards- splitting them in twain in two fountains of red gore and hot crimson mist. The guardsmen surrounding them drop their guns and attempt to flee the indescribable horror that begins rampaging through their ranks only to be cut down as they slip and fall over the slick bloodied ground beneath them, cowering in utter fear from the Hive tyrant as it lays waste to the guardsmen leaving barely a trace of discernible visceral mass among the once grassy field. The hive tyrant rears its head howling out a triumphant screech into the grim dark of the night signalling the horde of scuttling termagants swarming behind it forward..."

ya forging the narrative pewpew!

And here I was thinking that 40k couldn't get more homoerotic

 Furyou Miko wrote:
Dark Elf Witches have always been chainmail bikini types rather than naked. Always. I think there might have been a naked one on the Throne of Blood. Maybe.

Don't you talk about my wyches' banana hammocks! I can't find a good picture of them, so here:

LGBT...Las Gun Battle Tank.

A Leman Russ chasis, with every part of the hull covered in lasguns.

Please somebody make this happen.

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

 A Town Called Malus wrote:
[Because it kinda reads like the guy was a paedophile, which is a bit dark for GW....

Yeah, it does kinda reads that way. I do not think it is too dark for 40k, just too… potentially controversial. Too linked to real-world issues, actually.

It is funny that massacring entire worlds full of innocent people is perfectly fine, but a single pedophile is too dark


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 A Town Called Malus wrote:

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

blaktoof wrote:
For a long time GW has strayed from sexuality as a large part of the target market (US/UK) has issues with talking about sexuality, but not violence.

This has even shown up as a toning down of models that were female, GW probably has less female models now then ever in its history.

Look-at-my-naked-breasts Morathi would like to have a word

Yeah but how old is that model? At least 13 years old as it is in the Dark Elf army book 2 books before the current one

They did release very scantily clad new DE witch elves though...

blaktoof wrote:
yeah, as its a table top game about war, and the fluff/background mostly is in support of that we probably aren't going to get much fluff on peoples interpersonal fornication preferences or romances.

"I move my slaanesh pleasure lord to within 6" of your space marine captain, he/she gives a longing glance to the space marine captain and rolls a sexy look test, make a leadership test or hit on me while you stare at the pleasure lords mono-boob."

or

"The hive tyrant charges your guardsmen blob. Commissar Lord Kell looks sternly at his troops, they look at him wanting to run in abject terror and Kell notices the guardsmen closest to him is Steven Sharpe, Kell has always loved Steven so dearly ever since that time on Istavaan IV, Kell bites down hard and holds back a tear as he raises his bolt pistol, "the emperors moralizer" and points it squarely at Stevens head. Steve freezes in place and stares from the barrel of the bolt pistol forwards deep into Kells eyes because he felt it too back on Istavaan IV, and if hes going to go he wants the commissar he loves to be the one to do it not some hell spawned tyranid monstrosity.

Kell closes his eyes, and slides his finger from the side of the bolt pistol to the trigger, Steven closes his eyes and waits for the inevitable darkness to wash over him. BLAT BLAT THUNK. Kell at the last moment moved the bolt pistol slightly to the left and executed Charles Worthington III who merely happened to be standing by Steven, Kell drops his bolt pistol and runs into Stevens arms. They embrace each other, their unspoken love at last rushing over them and covering their skin in goose bumps as they pull in towards one another for a kiss..before their lips touch a searing hot lightning bolt of pain ruptures through both of them and all is lost as the hive tyrants scything talons arc through the air like murderous reaping scythes cleaving through each of the unrequited lovers from the top of their skulls downwards- splitting them in twain in two fountains of red gore and hot crimson mist. The guardsmen surrounding them drop their guns and attempt to flee the indescribable horror that begins rampaging through their ranks only to be cut down as they slip and fall over the slick bloodied ground beneath them, cowering in utter fear from the Hive tyrant as it lays waste to the guardsmen leaving barely a trace of discernible visceral mass among the once grassy field. The hive tyrant rears its head howling out a triumphant screech into the grim dark of the night signalling the horde of scuttling termagants swarming behind it forward..."

ya forging the narrative pewpew!

Exalted.

 Iron_Captain wrote:
It is funny that massacring entire worlds full of innocent people is perfectly fine, but a single pedophile is too dark

Again, not too dark, just too close to home.

blaktoof wrote:
This has even shown up as a toning down of models that were female, GW probably has less female models now then ever in its history.

I suspect that is less about 'sexuality is icky in the US/UK" and more about "10 year old boys think girls are icky". Target demographics and all that.

 Pendix wrote:

blaktoof wrote:
This has even shown up as a toning down of models that were female, GW probably has less female models now then ever in its history.

I suspect that is less about 'sexuality is icky in the US/UK" and more about "10 year old boys think girls are icky". Mental age of the design studio and all that.

Fixed that for you

 A Town Called Malus wrote:

 Pendix wrote:

blaktoof wrote:
This has even shown up as a toning down of models that were female, GW probably has less female models now then ever in its history.

I suspect that is less about 'sexuality is icky in the US/UK" and more about "10 year old boys think girls are icky". Mental age of the design studio and all that.

Fixed that for you

*snort* lol.

I'm still inclined to blame a 'marketing department with too much power' for it, but I'm inclined to blame those for, well, every problem ever.

As for the Topic itself.

Large Imperial Organisations (AdMech, Administratum, Guard, DM, Imperial Navy etc) almost certainly don't give a feth, one way or the other. The numbers are too large, the desperation to great. This also means though that individual worlds and cultures are going to be left to make their own decisions on these matters. There will be worlds where it is ok, even worlds where it may be encouraged, but also worlds where LGBT would be systematical persecuted, as deviants and mutants. The thing to realize is that the greater imperial authorities are not likely to step in in any case. A world could ritually burn LGBTs every weekend, and the imperium would not care so long as the world kept paying their tithes.
The really extreme ends may get Inquisitorial interest, but only in relation to the possibility that a world's cultural relationship with it's LGBTs population might be Chaos related.

blaktoof wrote:
For a long time GW has strayed from sexuality as a large part of the target market (US/UK) has issues with talking about sexuality, but not violence.

This has even shown up as a toning down of models that were female, GW probably has less female models now then ever in its history.

And a reduction of mono-breast slaaneshi hermphrodites, as well as the toning down of daemonettes.



I think the imperium overall is probably much like our planet, where some nations are okay with it, some don't care, and some are russia.

I really miss the old daemonettes. They actually looked like succubi.

 Wyzilla wrote:
I really miss the old daemonettes. They actually looked like succubi.

Yeah, I know what you mean. Hell, even leaving aside the idea that they were a better execution of the idea of Deamonettes (which they really really were), they were also just really well sculpted models, and it's always a shame to see a great sculpt retired.

I doubt the Imperium itself gives a damn. So long as your partner doesn't have an extra limb growing out from somewhere they more than likely don't care. Since we've had zero reference to the Imperium outlawing or even looking down upon homosexuality - as opposed to the Imperial Truth basically requiring atheism for example (or rather, it did back in the day) - there's no reason to really assume there's an enforced intolerance of it.

On the "but what about breeding" side of things... the Imperium has a lot of people. A LOT. Hive Worlds and such are regularly described as being overpopulated, people live crappy, malnourished, cramped lives. Unless you're a noblewoman who is expected to produce heirs or living on an explicitly underpopulated world, again, there's probably no enforcement of it. Cain certainly didn't give a toss and he was a Commissar so you'd think that something like that would fall under his mandate if the Imperium dictated who you could boink.

At the end if the day, the Imperium is so vast that yes, there's probably some worlds with a culture that looks down on it. When you're an empire of a million worlds there's probably a planet enforcing men to sleep with cattle as a right of passage or eat sandpaper. But the Imperium as a whole? I don't think so.

 Pendix wrote:

 Wyzilla wrote:
I really miss the old daemonettes. They actually looked like succubi.

Yeah, I know what you mean. Hell, even leaving aside the idea that they were a better execution of the idea of Deamonettes (which they really really were), they were also just really well sculpted models, and it's always a shame to see a great sculpt retired.

It's hard to believe that even with an aura of attractiveness, that they could convince anybody to go Slaanesh from seduction.

Cain certainly didn't give a toss and he was a Commissar so you'd think that something like that would fall under his mandate if the Imperium dictated who you could boink.

True but to play devils advocate - Cain is a bit unusual.............on the other Hand I don't think Gaunt (or any other Commissar) would be too choosy if the solider in question was prepered to fight and die.

That being said - the thing that the Imperium of Man wants in its soldiers is someone who will fight and die for it, prefereably without question - now personal relationships of any persuasion could coneivably threaten this hence there are rules about undue fratanisation in the Imperial Military (and as we have these days)

Civilian life is a little different - its going to depend lots on the society of your world and who you are on that world.....remember Nobles can have living pleasure dolls and other devient behaviour which is usually not looked in to - I think that House Harkonan in Dune is goign to be pretty accurate picture of many Noble families, so just choosing the same sex rather than the opposite is going to be pase?. Lower classes will vary hugely in their views?

Oh, in the guard, it seems pretty clear to me. You can get sex, no problem, but love? Does not matter if you are homosexual or heterosexual, your only love should be your duty!

There were those two in the Ghosts. Tanya and Danael? Adopted the kid. Criid and... whatever his name was?

But, then, you know, tragic results because it's a war story and all.

Wondering if LBGT is heretical is, itself, heretical. LBGT itself isn't a problem though. As long as the tithes and your duties are met.

 Psienesis wrote:
All religions die, eventually. Whether or not they are true is... irrelevant, really.

40k has space vikings, I wouldn't be surprised to find space christians.

 Psienesis wrote:
There were those two in the Ghosts. Tanya and Danael? Adopted the kid. Criid and... whatever his name was?

But, then, you know, tragic results because it's a war story and all.

Tona Criid and Dermon(?) Caffran got married, yeah. They were then split up into different Companies to make sure that if one of them died, the other would survive to continue providing for the children. I think that's how it went, anyway. Kind of like how in the modern Navy, married couples aren't allowed to serve on the same ship.

 Wyzilla wrote:

 Furyou Miko wrote:
Rather than talking about truth and whatnot, I would like to point something out:

Religions do not die. They simply change. A case in point would be the fact that Animism, one of the most basic and crude forms of religion known, potentially the first religion, even, still has adherents.

Last I checked the Greek and Egyptian pantheons are as dead as the dodo and lack the power of any other scant remnants. They are not religions anymore.

The Greek pantheon is a subset of Indo-European paganism as a whole (as are the Norse, Celtic, Slavic, etc. pantheons, as well as the one I am about to get to).

There is a surviving version of Indo-European paganism that has a lot of adherents. It's called Hinduism.

Alcibiades wrote:

 Wyzilla wrote:

 Furyou Miko wrote:
Rather than talking about truth and whatnot, I would like to point something out:

Religions do not die. They simply change. A case in point would be the fact that Animism, one of the most basic and crude forms of religion known, potentially the first religion, even, still has adherents.

Last I checked the Greek and Egyptian pantheons are as dead as the dodo and lack the power of any other scant remnants. They are not religions anymore.

The Greek pantheon is a subset of Indo-European paganism as a whole (as are the Norse, Celtic, Slavic, etc. pantheons, as well as the one I am about to get to).

There is a surviving version of Indo-European paganism that has a lot of adherents. It's called Hinduism.

Simply coming from the same continent as other religious groups does not mean something is at all related. Hinduism is by no means a continuation of the Greek/Roman pantheon.

 Wyzilla wrote:

Alcibiades wrote:

 Wyzilla wrote:

 Furyou Miko wrote:
Rather than talking about truth and whatnot, I would like to point something out:

Religions do not die. They simply change. A case in point would be the fact that Animism, one of the most basic and crude forms of religion known, potentially the first religion, even, still has adherents.

Last I checked the Greek and Egyptian pantheons are as dead as the dodo and lack the power of any other scant remnants. They are not religions anymore.

The Greek pantheon is a subset of Indo-European paganism as a whole (as are the Norse, Celtic, Slavic, etc. pantheons, as well as the one I am about to get to).

There is a surviving version of Indo-European paganism that has a lot of adherents. It's called Hinduism.

Simply coming from the same continent as other religious groups does not mean something is at all related. Hinduism is by no means a continuation of the Greek/Roman pantheon.

It's not a continuation; they're both continuations of something else. The G/R pantheon and the Hindu pantheon come from the same common religion of the proto-Indo-Europeans who migrated west and south. What it was we don't exactly know, since they didn't have writing, but almost certainly some kind of polytheism with anthropomorphic gods (probably a a storm god among them, since he crops up in several of these pantheons). So the European branch that evolved from that religion is dead, but the Indian one survives.