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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/09/04 01:16:11
Subject: Would any army be able to beat?
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Powerful Phoenix Lord
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Elysians - an unlimited number of Flyers. They will cover the board and start crashing into one another.
HQ: Elysian Company Command Squad with Valkyrie as DT
HQ: Elysian Company Command Squad with Valkyrie as DT
Elites: 2x Drop Sentinels with Valkyrie Sky Talon as DT
Elites: 2x Drop Sentinels with Valkyrie Sky Talon as DT
Elites: 2x Drop Sentinels with Valkyrie Sky Talon as DT
Troops: Platoon Command Squad with Valkyrie as DT, 5x Infantry Squads with Valkyrie as DT, 4 Heavy Weapons Squads with Valkyrie as DT, 3 Special Weapons Squads with Valkyrie as DT, 2 Drop Sentinels with Valkyrie Sky Talon as DT.
Troops: Platoon Command Squad with Valkyrie as DT, 5x Infantry Squads with Valkyrie as DT, 4 Heavy Weapons Squads with Valkyrie as DT, 3 Special Weapons Squads with Valkyrie as DT, 2 Drop Sentinels with Valkyrie Sky Talon as DT.
Troops: Platoon Command Squad with Valkyrie as DT, 5x Infantry Squads with Valkyrie as DT, 4 Heavy Weapons Squads with Valkyrie as DT, 3 Special Weapons Squads with Valkyrie as DT, 2 Drop Sentinels with Valkyrie Sky Talon as DT.
Troops: Platoon Command Squad with Valkyrie as DT, 5x Infantry Squads with Valkyrie as DT, 4 Heavy Weapons Squads with Valkyrie as DT, 3 Special Weapons Squads with Valkyrie as DT, 2 Drop Sentinels with Valkyrie Sky Talon as DT.
Troops: Platoon Command Squad with Valkyrie as DT, 5x Infantry Squads with Valkyrie as DT, 4 Heavy Weapons Squads with Valkyrie as DT, 3 Special Weapons Squads with Valkyrie as DT, 2 Drop Sentinels with Valkyrie Sky Talon as DT.
Troops: Platoon Command Squad with Valkyrie as DT, 5x Infantry Squads with Valkyrie as DT, 4 Heavy Weapons Squads with Valkyrie as DT, 3 Special Weapons Squads with Valkyrie as DT, 2 Drop Sentinels with Valkyrie Sky Talon as DT.
Fast Attack: 3x Vendetta Gunship
Fast Attack: 3x Vendetta Gunship
Fast Attack: 3x Vendetta Gunship
Heavy Support: Vulture Gunship
Heavy Support: Vulture Gunship
Heavy Support: Vulture Gunship
Heavy Support, no slot: Unlimited Valkyrie Sky Talon
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Greebo had spent an irritating two minutes in that box. Technically, a cat locked in a box may be alive or it may be dead. You never know until you look. In fact, the mere act of opening the box will determine the state of the cat, although in this case there were three determinate states the cat could be in: these being Alive, Dead, and Bloody Furious.
Orks always ride in single file to hide their strength and numbers.
Gozer the Gozerian, Gozer the Destructor, Volguus Zildrohar, Gozer the Traveler, and Lord of the Sebouillia |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/09/04 05:35:31
Subject: Re:Would any army be able to beat?
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Prophetic Blood Angel Librarian
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kellymatthew37 wrote:Some of those look really tough especially the Vendettas. I still think 6 Max squads 30 strong of feel no pain jet packed dual thunder hammer wielding Death Company are going to completely obliterate most of those.
Thing is, you've given other people one limitation (use only one FOC), yet given yourself 7 limitations (use one FOC, no HQ, no Elites, no Fast attack, no Heavy Support, no Dedicated transports), whether intentionally or not. So everyone and their dog is going to be able to create a list to beat it. If you made the parameters equal for both sides, hardly any dex would stand a chance because hardly any dex can compare any troops slot to anything remotely near the power 30DC with jp, dual th and a LR crusader with mm + all the extras.
Whereas they may be able to create FA options that are better or HS, the difference will be nowhere near as pronounced as with the troops, and you have 6 troops slots. Automatically Appended Next Post: Happyjew wrote:Elysians - an unlimited number of Flyers. They will cover the board and start crashing into one another.
HQ: Elysian Company Command Squad with Valkyrie as DT
HQ: Elysian Company Command Squad with Valkyrie as DT
Elites: 2x Drop Sentinels with Valkyrie Sky Talon as DT
Elites: 2x Drop Sentinels with Valkyrie Sky Talon as DT
Elites: 2x Drop Sentinels with Valkyrie Sky Talon as DT
Troops: Platoon Command Squad with Valkyrie as DT, 5x Infantry Squads with Valkyrie as DT, 4 Heavy Weapons Squads with Valkyrie as DT, 3 Special Weapons Squads with Valkyrie as DT, 2 Drop Sentinels with Valkyrie Sky Talon as DT.
Troops: Platoon Command Squad with Valkyrie as DT, 5x Infantry Squads with Valkyrie as DT, 4 Heavy Weapons Squads with Valkyrie as DT, 3 Special Weapons Squads with Valkyrie as DT, 2 Drop Sentinels with Valkyrie Sky Talon as DT.
Troops: Platoon Command Squad with Valkyrie as DT, 5x Infantry Squads with Valkyrie as DT, 4 Heavy Weapons Squads with Valkyrie as DT, 3 Special Weapons Squads with Valkyrie as DT, 2 Drop Sentinels with Valkyrie Sky Talon as DT.
Troops: Platoon Command Squad with Valkyrie as DT, 5x Infantry Squads with Valkyrie as DT, 4 Heavy Weapons Squads with Valkyrie as DT, 3 Special Weapons Squads with Valkyrie as DT, 2 Drop Sentinels with Valkyrie Sky Talon as DT.
Troops: Platoon Command Squad with Valkyrie as DT, 5x Infantry Squads with Valkyrie as DT, 4 Heavy Weapons Squads with Valkyrie as DT, 3 Special Weapons Squads with Valkyrie as DT, 2 Drop Sentinels with Valkyrie Sky Talon as DT.
Troops: Platoon Command Squad with Valkyrie as DT, 5x Infantry Squads with Valkyrie as DT, 4 Heavy Weapons Squads with Valkyrie as DT, 3 Special Weapons Squads with Valkyrie as DT, 2 Drop Sentinels with Valkyrie Sky Talon as DT.
Fast Attack: 3x Vendetta Gunship
Fast Attack: 3x Vendetta Gunship
Fast Attack: 3x Vendetta Gunship
Heavy Support: Vulture Gunship
Heavy Support: Vulture Gunship
Heavy Support: Vulture Gunship
Heavy Support, no slot: Unlimited Valkyrie Sky Talon
Haha! Winning! This is hilarious!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/09/04 07:04:53
Subject: Re:Would any army be able to beat?
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Hallowed Canoness
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Poly Ranger wrote:
Happyjew wrote:Elysians - an unlimited number of Flyers. They will cover the board and start crashing into one another.
HQ: Elysian Company Command Squad with Valkyrie as DT
HQ: Elysian Company Command Squad with Valkyrie as DT
Elites: 2x Drop Sentinels with Valkyrie Sky Talon as DT
Elites: 2x Drop Sentinels with Valkyrie Sky Talon as DT
Elites: 2x Drop Sentinels with Valkyrie Sky Talon as DT
Troops: Platoon Command Squad with Valkyrie as DT, 5x Infantry Squads with Valkyrie as DT, 4 Heavy Weapons Squads with Valkyrie as DT, 3 Special Weapons Squads with Valkyrie as DT, 2 Drop Sentinels with Valkyrie Sky Talon as DT.
Troops: Platoon Command Squad with Valkyrie as DT, 5x Infantry Squads with Valkyrie as DT, 4 Heavy Weapons Squads with Valkyrie as DT, 3 Special Weapons Squads with Valkyrie as DT, 2 Drop Sentinels with Valkyrie Sky Talon as DT.
Troops: Platoon Command Squad with Valkyrie as DT, 5x Infantry Squads with Valkyrie as DT, 4 Heavy Weapons Squads with Valkyrie as DT, 3 Special Weapons Squads with Valkyrie as DT, 2 Drop Sentinels with Valkyrie Sky Talon as DT.
Troops: Platoon Command Squad with Valkyrie as DT, 5x Infantry Squads with Valkyrie as DT, 4 Heavy Weapons Squads with Valkyrie as DT, 3 Special Weapons Squads with Valkyrie as DT, 2 Drop Sentinels with Valkyrie Sky Talon as DT.
Troops: Platoon Command Squad with Valkyrie as DT, 5x Infantry Squads with Valkyrie as DT, 4 Heavy Weapons Squads with Valkyrie as DT, 3 Special Weapons Squads with Valkyrie as DT, 2 Drop Sentinels with Valkyrie Sky Talon as DT.
Troops: Platoon Command Squad with Valkyrie as DT, 5x Infantry Squads with Valkyrie as DT, 4 Heavy Weapons Squads with Valkyrie as DT, 3 Special Weapons Squads with Valkyrie as DT, 2 Drop Sentinels with Valkyrie Sky Talon as DT.
Fast Attack: 3x Vendetta Gunship
Fast Attack: 3x Vendetta Gunship
Fast Attack: 3x Vendetta Gunship
Heavy Support: Vulture Gunship
Heavy Support: Vulture Gunship
Heavy Support: Vulture Gunship
Heavy Support, no slot: Unlimited Valkyrie Sky Talon
Haha! Winning! This is hilarious!
It's also, sadly, out of date.
You can only have one unit of Drop Sentinels in an Infantry Platoon, and Vultures are a Fast Attack choice. Also, Sky Talons can't be taken as free heavies any more - they can only be taken as dedicated transports.
I believe this is better;
HQ: Elysian Company Command Squad with Valkyrie as DT (4x long-range ground scanner)
HQ: Elysian Company Command Squad with Valkyrie as DT (4x long-range ground scanner)
Elites: 2x Drop Sentinels with Valkyrie Sky Talon as DT
Elites: 2x Drop Sentinels with Valkyrie Sky Talon as DT
Elites: 2x Drop Sentinels with Valkyrie Sky Talon as DT
Troops: Platoon Command Squad with Valkyrie as DT, 5x Infantry Squads with Valkyrie as DT, 4 Heavy Weapons Squads with Valkyrie as DT, 3 Special Weapons Squads with Valkyrie as DT, 1 Drop Sentinels squadron with Valkyrie Sky Talon as DT.
Troops: Platoon Command Squad with Valkyrie as DT, 5x Infantry Squads with Valkyrie as DT, 4 Heavy Weapons Squads with Valkyrie as DT, 3 Special Weapons Squads with Valkyrie as DT, 1 Drop Sentinels squadron with Valkyrie Sky Talon as DT.
Troops: Platoon Command Squad with Valkyrie as DT, 5x Infantry Squads with Valkyrie as DT, 4 Heavy Weapons Squads with Valkyrie as DT, 3 Special Weapons Squads with Valkyrie as DT, 1 Drop Sentinels squadron with Valkyrie Sky Talon as DT.
Troops: Platoon Command Squad with Valkyrie as DT, 5x Infantry Squads with Valkyrie as DT, 4 Heavy Weapons Squads with Valkyrie as DT, 3 Special Weapons Squads with Valkyrie as DT, 1 Drop Sentinels squadron with Valkyrie Sky Talon as DT.
Troops: Platoon Command Squad with Valkyrie as DT, 5x Infantry Squads with Valkyrie as DT, 4 Heavy Weapons Squads with Valkyrie as DT, 3 Special Weapons Squads with Valkyrie as DT, 1 Drop Sentinels squadron with Valkyrie Sky Talon as DT.
Troops: Platoon Command Squad with Valkyrie as DT, 5x Infantry Squads with Valkyrie as DT, 4 Heavy Weapons Squads with Valkyrie as DT, 3 Special Weapons Squads with Valkyrie as DT, 1 Drop Sentinels squadron with Valkyrie Sky Talon as DT.
Fast Attack: 3x Vendetta Gunship
Fast Attack: 3x Vulture Gunship (Punisher Cannons)
Fast Attack: 3x Vulture Gunship (Punisher Cannons)
Heavy Support: Avenger Strike Fighter (Missile Launchers)
Heavy Support: Avenger Strike Fighter (Missile Launchers)
Heavy Support: Avenger Strike Fighter (Missile Launchers)
All Valkyries have all the extras, including missile pods and lascannons, and all Sky Talons have Missile Pods. Heavy Weapon squads have missile launchers. Special Weapon squads have Breacher Charges. Drop Sentinels have multi-meltas. All squads have Vox casters where applicable.
For those not in the know, a Breacher Charge is a melee small blast that's S8 AP2.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/09/04 13:09:21
Subject: Re:Would any army be able to beat?
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Powerful Phoenix Lord
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Furyou Miko wrote:It's also, sadly, out of date.
You can only have one unit of Drop Sentinels in an Infantry Platoon, and Vultures are a Fast Attack choice. Also, Sky Talons can't be taken as free heavies any more - they can only be taken as dedicated transports.
I probably could have typed it better, it's not 2 squadrons, it's 1 squadron of 2 Sentinels.
Also, where does it say the Vulture is a Fast Attack and Sky Talon is only Dedicated? Per IA Aeronautica (which as far as I know is the latest rules), the Vulture is a FA in an IG army (no mention of Elysian) and the Sky Talon is a slot-less HS in both Elysian and IG.
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Greebo had spent an irritating two minutes in that box. Technically, a cat locked in a box may be alive or it may be dead. You never know until you look. In fact, the mere act of opening the box will determine the state of the cat, although in this case there were three determinate states the cat could be in: these being Alive, Dead, and Bloody Furious.
Orks always ride in single file to hide their strength and numbers.
Gozer the Gozerian, Gozer the Destructor, Volguus Zildrohar, Gozer the Traveler, and Lord of the Sebouillia |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/09/04 21:21:23
Subject: Re:Would any army be able to beat?
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Brainy Zoanthrope
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Apologies for that it was not intentional. The rest are just rather inconsequential,So maybe this
2 Libbys for cover
3 squads 10 Hammerators
30 Dc Marines with dual hammers
30 Dc Marines with dual hammers
30 Dc Marines with dual hammers
30 Dc Marines with dual hammers
30 Dc Marines with dual hammers
30 Dc Marines with dual hammers
3 Maxed Bike squads
3 Maxed Devastators squads
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/09/04 21:48:59
Subject: Re:Would any army be able to beat?
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Hallowed Canoness
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Happyjew wrote: Furyou Miko wrote:It's also, sadly, out of date.
You can only have one unit of Drop Sentinels in an Infantry Platoon, and Vultures are a Fast Attack choice. Also, Sky Talons can't be taken as free heavies any more - they can only be taken as dedicated transports.
I probably could have typed it better, it's not 2 squadrons, it's 1 squadron of 2 Sentinels.
Also, where does it say the Vulture is a Fast Attack and Sky Talon is only Dedicated? Per IA Aeronautica (which as far as I know is the latest rules), the Vulture is a FA in an IG army (no mention of Elysian) and the Sky Talon is a slot-less HS in both Elysian and IG.
Latest Elysian rules are in Imperial Armour volume 3 Second Edition. Vultures and Vendettas are taken as part of the same unit choice, although all planes in the squadron must be the same type.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/09/04 22:00:06
Subject: Would any army be able to beat?
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Growlin' Guntrukk Driver with Killacannon
Reading, England
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Now I thought you could only take one unit of DC in your army, thats a max 30 in an army...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/09/04 22:08:54
Subject: Would any army be able to beat?
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Courageous Space Marine Captain
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Azza007 wrote:Now I thought you could only take one unit of DC in your army, thats a max 30 in an army...
Correct. The posted BA list needs Astorath in place if either Dante or Mephiston to be legal.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/09/04 22:19:17
Subject: Would any army be able to beat?
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Prophetic Blood Angel Librarian
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Ah true... it will obviously be dante replaced for astorath then.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/09/05 01:31:07
Subject: Re:Would any army be able to beat?
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Powerful Phoenix Lord
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Furyou Miko wrote: Happyjew wrote: Furyou Miko wrote:It's also, sadly, out of date.
You can only have one unit of Drop Sentinels in an Infantry Platoon, and Vultures are a Fast Attack choice. Also, Sky Talons can't be taken as free heavies any more - they can only be taken as dedicated transports.
I probably could have typed it better, it's not 2 squadrons, it's 1 squadron of 2 Sentinels.
Also, where does it say the Vulture is a Fast Attack and Sky Talon is only Dedicated? Per IA Aeronautica (which as far as I know is the latest rules), the Vulture is a FA in an IG army (no mention of Elysian) and the Sky Talon is a slot-less HS in both Elysian and IG.
Latest Elysian rules are in Imperial Armour volume 3 Second Edition. Vultures and Vendettas are taken as part of the same unit choice, although all planes in the squadron must be the same type.
Ah, that explains it. I was going off of IA8's Elysian Drop Troop Army List.
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Greebo had spent an irritating two minutes in that box. Technically, a cat locked in a box may be alive or it may be dead. You never know until you look. In fact, the mere act of opening the box will determine the state of the cat, although in this case there were three determinate states the cat could be in: these being Alive, Dead, and Bloody Furious.
Orks always ride in single file to hide their strength and numbers.
Gozer the Gozerian, Gozer the Destructor, Volguus Zildrohar, Gozer the Traveler, and Lord of the Sebouillia |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/09/05 07:00:23
Subject: Would any army be able to beat?
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Hallowed Canoness
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Yeah. The other major changes are that Demo Charges are replaced with Breacher Charges, which can't be thrown and are only a small blast.
Oh, and long-range ground scanners are a weapon option for a command squad veteran instead of being their own separate unit... so you can potentially twin-link any four units in your army (no restriction on vehicles, but the vehicle has to be within 12" of the scanner since it can't take a vox).
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"That time I only loaded the cannon with powder. Next time, I will fill it with jewels and diamonds and they will cut you to shrebbons!" - Nogbad the Bad. |
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