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2014/09/10 17:03:52
Subject: What problems do gamers have with how women are represented in games?
People take different experiences. And see something else.
I don't really see clothing as something that determines the experience. A character is determined by what they do, and how they act, If they wear badass armor that is great, but, it only tells me somethings about their personality not the whole story.
Emotion and actions create a character. Not the armor or clothing of someone make the character. Otherwise they are just background.
I think you are undervaluing aesthetics as they relate to defining a character. What a character wears isn't background. It's more like foreground you know because it's one of the first things people notice. It is a little like a inverse of the classic lesions. Judge a book by their cover because that is where the name is. The style of a character isn't the only thing about a character, but it's the first thing people see and tells you a lot about them.
This actually relates back to games. Saints row 2 is a good example. That game has crazy customization, but it's all visual. The game doesn't let you change the actions or emotions of your character, but you can make some radically different characters by just changing the visual aesthetics. It's something I wish more games would copy. Games have a really easy time changing aesthetics. Changing story or actions is really hard comparatively.
I agree I do, I often forget that, it is still visual based. I often don't judge a person by its cover. But I forgot most people do judge a book by its covers.
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2014/09/10 17:15:29
Subject: Re:What problems do gamers have with how women are represented in games?
The burning pits of Hades, also known as Sweden in summer
I still want an answer. Sure, the cleavage is a bit unnecessary, and I doubt it is a coincidence that the suit is partly open like that, but that is ultimately a lesser concern. Having the suit zipped down a little won't prevent her from doing cool stuff. The high heels, though! The high heels would. Have you tried pulling that kind of moves in darn high heels? If not impossible, it is really difficult! Hell, just running in them is hard enough and using them in combat is just self-crippling.
Ashiraya wrote: I still want an answer. Sure, the cleavage is a bit unnecessary, and I doubt it is a coincidence that the suit is partly open like that, but that is ultimately a lesser concern. Having the suit zipped down a little won't prevent her from doing cool stuff. The high heels, though! The high heels would. Have you tried pulling that kind of moves in darn high heels? If not impossible, it is really difficult! Hell, just running in them is hard enough and using them in combat is just self-crippling.
Guys don't understand how heels work. To them, they are simply a visual choice with no impact on how you have to move or act.
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2014/09/10 17:51:51
Subject: Re:What problems do gamers have with how women are represented in games?
Ashiraya wrote: I still want an answer. Sure, the cleavage is a bit unnecessary, and I doubt it is a coincidence that the suit is partly open like that, but that is ultimately a lesser concern. Having the suit zipped down a little won't prevent her from doing cool stuff. The high heels, though! The high heels would. Have you tried pulling that kind of moves in darn high heels? If not impossible, it is really difficult! Hell, just running in them is hard enough and using them in combat is just self-crippling.
Hell if I know, but I always thought:
1) Tons of practice, so as to be able to move like that in them.
2) HEELS OF STEELS!
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2014/09/10 18:09:57
Subject: Re:What problems do gamers have with how women are represented in games?
OMG look at all the cleavage they're showing and running in heels. They're being hypersexualized and reduced to an object by doing that. Everyone who watches that video is clearly a misogynist.
This seems to by the idea feminists are saying about sexy video game characters, so it should apply in the real world as well right?
As it's perfectly fine for women to go around wearing what they choose, it's fine to design characters that portray characters that have the same style.
2014/09/10 19:09:28
Subject: What problems do gamers have with how women are represented in games?
sirlynchmob wrote: OMG look at all the cleavage they're showing and running in heels. They're being hypersexualized and reduced to an object by doing that. Everyone who watches that video is clearly a misogynist.
This seems to by the idea feminists are saying about sexy video game characters, so it should apply in the real world as well right?
As it's perfectly fine for women to go around wearing what they choose, it's fine to design characters that portray characters that have the same style.
In the real world people are people it is diffrent. They also don't look like the video game characters that catch flack for how they look.
2014/09/10 19:11:29
Subject: What problems do gamers have with how women are represented in games?
sirlynchmob wrote: OMG look at all the cleavage they're showing and running in heels. They're being hypersexualized and reduced to an object by doing that. Everyone who watches that video is clearly a misogynist.
This seems to by the idea feminists are saying about sexy video game characters, so it should apply in the real world as well right?
As it's perfectly fine for women to go around wearing what they choose, it's fine to design characters that portray characters that have the same style.
The event being show is about running in heels, showing off a particular skill in a specific context. If your average video game was EA Sports: Heel Run 2010/2011/2012/2013/2014/2015. This argument would hold water. They aren't so it doesn't. Next.
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2014/09/10 19:17:14
Subject: What problems do gamers have with how women are represented in games?
Actually. Can people just not tell when something is too much and when it's not? I mean it can be a tricky issue some times lots of little parts to it, so it's normal that reasonable people would have different views.
On the other hand that comment could have been some kind of covered insult of some kind rather then a genuine thought.
2014/09/10 19:26:02
Subject: What problems do gamers have with how women are represented in games?
sirlynchmob wrote: OMG look at all the cleavage they're showing and running in heels. They're being hypersexualized and reduced to an object by doing that. Everyone who watches that video is clearly a misogynist.
This seems to by the idea feminists are saying about sexy video game characters, so it should apply in the real world as well right?
As it's perfectly fine for women to go around wearing what they choose, it's fine to design characters that portray characters that have the same style.
In the real world people are people it is diffrent. They also don't look like the video game characters that catch flack for how they look.
In the video game world, no people exist.
A character has no agency outside what the creator of the content the character is a part of gives him/her. Does a character eat a PBaJ sandvich or a Tuna Sandvich? The character can't decide, he/she doesn't exist. Does a Male Character wear Combat Boots or Stripper Heels? He doesn't know, he doesn't exist.
A painting, a book, a poem, a movie, all are glimpses into the minds of those who made them. A character in a Play has no more agency than a word in a poem. To believe otherwise is fallacious at best.
I've never feared Death or Dying. I've only feared never Trying.
2014/09/10 19:34:12
Subject: What problems do gamers have with how women are represented in games?
sirlynchmob wrote: OMG look at all the cleavage they're showing and running in heels. They're being hypersexualized and reduced to an object by doing that. Everyone who watches that video is clearly a misogynist.
This seems to by the idea feminists are saying about sexy video game characters, so it should apply in the real world as well right?
As it's perfectly fine for women to go around wearing what they choose, it's fine to design characters that portray characters that have the same style.
In the real world people are people it is diffrent. They also don't look like the video game characters that catch flack for how they look.
In the video game world, no people exist.
A character has no agency outside what the creator of the content the character is a part of gives him/her. Does a character eat a PBaJ sandvich or a Tuna Sandvich? The character can't decide, he/she doesn't exist. Does a Male Character wear Combat Boots or Stripper Heels? He doesn't know, he doesn't exist.
A painting, a book, a poem, a movie, all are glimpses into the minds of those who made them. A character in a Play has no more agency than a word in a poem. To believe otherwise is fallacious at best.
I can't tell if you are agreeing with me or disagreeing with me.
Though you bring up the idea that characters that have no agency. That is actually kind of a fun topic. Can a character in a video game have agency?
2014/09/10 19:35:52
Subject: What problems do gamers have with how women are represented in games?
sirlynchmob wrote: OMG look at all the cleavage they're showing and running in heels. They're being hypersexualized and reduced to an object by doing that. Everyone who watches that video is clearly a misogynist.
This seems to by the idea feminists are saying about sexy video game characters, so it should apply in the real world as well right?
As it's perfectly fine for women to go around wearing what they choose, it's fine to design characters that portray characters that have the same style.
In the real world people are people it is diffrent. They also don't look like the video game characters that catch flack for how they look.
In the video game world, no people exist.
A character has no agency outside what the creator of the content the character is a part of gives him/her. Does a character eat a PBaJ sandvich or a Tuna Sandvich? The character can't decide, he/she doesn't exist. Does a Male Character wear Combat Boots or Stripper Heels? He doesn't know, he doesn't exist.
A painting, a book, a poem, a movie, all are glimpses into the minds of those who made them. A character in a Play has no more agency than a word in a poem. To believe otherwise is fallacious at best.
Correct. Also there is this idea in fiction. The characters are not people, they are parts of the story that make it work they are a gear that makes the thing turn. ITs a sad truth.
sirlynchmob wrote: OMG look at all the cleavage they're showing and running in heels. They're being hypersexualized and reduced to an object by doing that. Everyone who watches that video is clearly a misogynist.
This seems to by the idea feminists are saying about sexy video game characters, so it should apply in the real world as well right?
As it's perfectly fine for women to go around wearing what they choose, it's fine to design characters that portray characters that have the same style.
In the real world people are people it is diffrent. They also don't look like the video game characters that catch flack for how they look.
In the video game world, no people exist.
A character has no agency outside what the creator of the content the character is a part of gives him/her. Does a character eat a PBaJ sandvich or a Tuna Sandvich? The character can't decide, he/she doesn't exist. Does a Male Character wear Combat Boots or Stripper Heels? He doesn't know, he doesn't exist.
A painting, a book, a poem, a movie, all are glimpses into the minds of those who made them. A character in a Play has no more agency than a word in a poem. To believe otherwise is fallacious at best.
I can't tell if you are agreeing with me or disagreeing with me.
Though you bring up the idea that characters that have no agency. That is actually kind of a fun topic. Can a character in a video game have agency?
Spec Ops: The line explores this.
Does Walker have control, and we are the consciousness within walker, are we really in control? Are we truly the ones in full control?
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2014/09/10 23:30:35
Subject: What problems do gamers have with how women are represented in games?
So, you are now equating “being in every sense in physical form” with “displaying your sexuality for the world to see”? I am pretty sure neither Superman nor Conan, your male examples, do “display their sexuality for the world to see”. Would you read about a Superman wearing this:
or this :
Double standard, double standard .
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2014/09/10 23:33:32
Subject: What problems do gamers have with how women are represented in games?
Gonna be honest. The little hankerchiefs over the nipples just kill the ensemble. I give it a B for effort but in good conscience I can't rate it any higher than that
I feel like posting that "haha oh wow" meme after looking at that.
But I don't drink so it'd only be partially accurate :/
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2014/09/10 23:46:06
Subject: What problems do gamers have with how women are represented in games?
So, you are now equating “being in every sense in physical form” with “displaying your sexuality for the world to see”? I am pretty sure neither Superman nor Conan, your male examples, do “display their sexuality for the world to see”. Would you read about a Superman wearing this:
Double standard, double standard .
Conan surely does.
I mean he is shirtless. All the bloody time. We wears only short shorts.
I like how you keep saying this over and over. Clearly you have a problem with it. While other females I have talked don't have this problem. See I think there are certain designs that take it too far.
Now that is funny, but also true. It happens in our society and it is known for happening. Its not great, but considering we are making steps towards being gender equals.
Someday the costumes will be very similar in design, but not towards the sexy design, but more in league with frightening.
I have made four female characters that could be considered heroines , everytime, I have gone out of my to ensure they are not dressed with little clothing, but are fully clothed, and actually wear reasonable things such as full body armor. One is a soldier who wears armor that is heavy, and she is the best fighter among her squad, Another is a woman in full platemail, another in leather armor, and the last one and the only one I would even remotely call 'sexy' esque, is one of my first female heroines, She is a robber, her entire shtick is tricking men out of their money, and then running the hell out of there. She is a mob princess, and she kicks alot of ass. Now it really matters on the times and place....
The people in the past who convinced themselves to do unspeakable things were no less human than you or I. They made their decisions; the only thing that prevents history from repeating itself is making different ones.
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2014/09/11 03:32:50
Subject: What problems do gamers have with how women are represented in games?
One of the most mentally unbalanced and atrocious writers in the comic book industry at the moment. At least in the big name publishers anyway.
The people in the past who convinced themselves to do unspeakable things were no less human than you or I. They made their decisions; the only thing that prevents history from repeating itself is making different ones.
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2014/09/11 03:47:31
Subject: What problems do gamers have with how women are represented in games?
Melissia wrote: One of the most mentally unbalanced and atrocious writers in the comic book industry at the moment. At least in the big name publishers anyway.
Oh. Well If I did whoops.
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2014/09/11 03:47:53
Subject: What problems do gamers have with how women are represented in games?
A racist, misogynist, fascist man who thinks he's smarter than everyone and all women are prostitutes. He writes ugly stories, with ugly illustrations about ugly people doing ugly things for ugly reasons. Here is a review of one of his works. . If iirc, he's also the original creator behind comics adapted into awful meritless swill like "Sin City".
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2014/09/11 03:53:05
Subject: What problems do gamers have with how women are represented in games?
A racist, misogynist, fascist man who thinks he's smarter than everyone and all women are prostitutes. He writes ugly stories, with ugly illustrations about ugly people doing ugly things for ugly reasons. Here is a review of one of his works. . If iirc, he's also the original creator behind comics adapted into awful meritless swill like "Sin City".
Oh but what work did I reference?
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2014/09/11 03:59:22
Subject: Re:What problems do gamers have with how women are represented in games?
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2014/09/11 04:27:23
Subject: Re:What problems do gamers have with how women are represented in games?
That is actually kind of a fair point. Some times there is this knee jerk reaction. Something that looks bad is placed in the this is bad pile before people have a chance to kind of take it all in and see there is something else going on.
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2014/09/11 04:28:15
Subject: Re:What problems do gamers have with how women are represented in games?
Maddox was the guy who said he fantasized about having a business where people paid him to literally punch feces out of constipated old people. I can't really take him seriously outside of a comedic setting.
The people in the past who convinced themselves to do unspeakable things were no less human than you or I. They made their decisions; the only thing that prevents history from repeating itself is making different ones.
-- Adam Serwer
My blog
2014/09/11 04:34:53
Subject: What problems do gamers have with how women are represented in games?
Melissia wrote: Maddox was the guy who said he fantasized about having a business where people paid him to literally punch feces out of constipated old people. I can't really take him seriously outside of a comedic setting.
And somethings we have knee jerk reactions in the other directions. So literal poop punching... ya
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2014/09/11 04:35:48
Subject: What problems do gamers have with how women are represented in games?
As if he should be the one to talk about knee-jerk reactions that's what ninety percent (if not more) of his website consists of.
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The people in the past who convinced themselves to do unspeakable things were no less human than you or I. They made their decisions; the only thing that prevents history from repeating itself is making different ones.
-- Adam Serwer
My blog
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that's what ninety percent (if not more) of his website consists of.