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Problem is when it is always the same gender playing the victim part and the same gender playing the savior/avenger part.

That I would agree with.

I hav

e no idea which game you are talking about.

Mass effect.

There is very few character development for the main character, and absolutely none whatsoever for his female love interest.

That is a problem as a whole gaming has. There is very little character development at all. Right now the only thing we have is motivation to fight bad guys instead of delving into the mind of the main character who has to go through this pain of seeing his or her loved one die in front of them..

Did not stop me from enjoying Hotline Miami. Even though more female PC and enemies would have been nice. Right now there are only two female characters, and they both die without ever fighting.

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
Did not stop me from enjoying Hotline Miami. Even though more female PC and enemies would have been nice. Right now there are only two female characters, and they both die without ever fighting.

Umm. The boss at the end of the game was a female ninja.

Oh, yeah, forgot about her. The boss henchwoman. The boss itself was some guy sitting in a chair.

 Asherian Command wrote:


Why do you think focus on brutallity in such a way?

Game that was aimed at male players, using the most common and easiest ways to engage male players. There

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
Oh, yeah, forgot about her. The boss henchwoman. The boss itself was some guy sitting in a chair.

Spoiler:

And that was not the end.

For the official canonical story line yes.

Are you talking about the bonus chapter? Which is non-canon?

I would hardly consider that the true bosses.

Game that was aimed at male players, using the most common and easiest ways to engage male players. There

Much better.

 Asherian Command wrote:
Are you talking about the bonus chapter? Which is non-canon?

How would I know what is supposed to be canon? There is no disclaimer saying it is not canon.

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

 Asherian Command wrote:
Are you talking about the bonus chapter? Which is non-canon?

How would I know what is supposed to be canon? There is no disclaimer saying it is not canon.

Which is no indication that it was non-canon. Just a different part of the timeline.

 Melissia wrote:
Which is no indication that it was non-canon. Just a different part of the timeline.

No its a completely different timeline.

Here's something my buddy just shared:
http://imgur.com/RfYnkBt
I realize this thread isn't about Gamergate, per se, but it certainly ties in to this topic.
And apologies if people already mentioned some of the female characters featured in this piece. 60+ pages is a hell of a lot to read (especially when people start to go off-topic).
But looking at some of the characters they do have, there's Samus Aran, Kerrigan, GLaDOS, the entire cast of Skullgirls, Maleena, Alyx Vance, and so on... Gaming has had its problems with sexualization over the many years, but I think characters like these show that the industry, as a whole, is slowly improving. It provides developers and designers to create female characters who are not at all stereotypical. They can be strong, angry, petty, they have their weaknesses and shortcomings, and all of this adds to create characters who are three-dimensional. That being said, we still have a long way to go: for every fleshed-out female character, there's a stereotyped background character, as well. It's not something that will go away soon (if ever).
Me, personally, I always loved Samus. I played as her in all three Super Smash games, as well as Metroid: Fusion and Zero Mission. I didn't have much of a problem with her character being female because she was a female who could kick serious ass.

It's not as big of a problem as you might assume. It's a rather little issue that is carried out by a very vocal minority.

 Sigvatr wrote:
It's not as big of a problem as you might assume. It's a rather little issue that is carried out by a very vocal minority.

I agree.

IT has been improving to ignore that is being completely obtuse.

We really need to stop bringing up jade. I mean I get it, it was a fun game, but Me and my dog were like the only ones who played it. That a game was so undersold that they had to give it away with cheese and the sequel is ten years late. (Heck my dog is dead, that is how old that game is.) I get it, there aren't a lot of god female characters to pick from, so some times you have to travel back in time and get obscure. That is the problem.

nomotog wrote:
We really need to stop bringing up jade. I mean I get it, it was a fun game, but Me and my dog were like the only ones who played it. That a game was so undersold that they had to give it away with cheese and the sequel is ten years late. (Heck my dog is dead, that is how old that game is.) I get it, there aren't a lot of god female characters to pick from, so some times you have to travel back in time and get obscure. That is the problem.

Not really hahaha.
You keep saying that but I can pull out hundreds of female characters.

 Asherian Command wrote:

nomotog wrote:
We really need to stop bringing up jade. I mean I get it, it was a fun game, but Me and my dog were like the only ones who played it. That a game was so undersold that they had to give it away with cheese and the sequel is ten years late. (Heck my dog is dead, that is how old that game is.) I get it, there aren't a lot of god female characters to pick from, so some times you have to travel back in time and get obscure. That is the problem.

Not really hahaha.
You keep saying that but I can pull out hundreds of female characters.

I smell a challenge. OK here are the rules. No one who is from a game ten years or older. They have to be playable and the game has to have been ported or released on console. Basically if you can name 100 non obscure playable female characters, I will be very impressed.

nomotog wrote:

 Asherian Command wrote:

nomotog wrote:
We really need to stop bringing up jade. I mean I get it, it was a fun game, but Me and my dog were like the only ones who played it. That a game was so undersold that they had to give it away with cheese and the sequel is ten years late. (Heck my dog is dead, that is how old that game is.) I get it, there aren't a lot of god female characters to pick from, so some times you have to travel back in time and get obscure. That is the problem.

Not really hahaha.
You keep saying that but I can pull out hundreds of female characters.

I smell a challenge. OK here are the rules. No one who is from a game ten years or older. They have to be playable and the game has to have been ported or released on console. Basically if you can name 100 non obscure playable female characters, I will be very impressed.

I have trouble naming even 50 characters, male or female, I can remember the names of. I can still name the entire BG cast off my head and what made the characters unique.

To be honest, I'd struggle naming 100 playable characters... But to start off: The female cast of Dragon Age 1, 2 and soon to be 3.

Actually, how many characters does Skullgirls have? Are we close yet?

And, because appropriate:

http://weknowmemes.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/i-wish-there-were-more-strong-female-characters-in-video-games.jpg

 Sigvatr wrote:

nomotog wrote:

 Asherian Command wrote:

nomotog wrote:
We really need to stop bringing up jade. I mean I get it, it was a fun game, but Me and my dog were like the only ones who played it. That a game was so undersold that they had to give it away with cheese and the sequel is ten years late. (Heck my dog is dead, that is how old that game is.) I get it, there aren't a lot of god female characters to pick from, so some times you have to travel back in time and get obscure. That is the problem.

Not really hahaha.
You keep saying that but I can pull out hundreds of female characters.

I smell a challenge. OK here are the rules. No one who is from a game ten years or older. They have to be playable and the game has to have been ported or released on console. Basically if you can name 100 non obscure playable female characters, I will be very impressed.

I have trouble naming even 50 characters, male or female, I can remember the names of. I can still name the entire BG cast off my head and what made the characters unique.

I was thinking that too. That's why it will be impressive if they can do it.

 Compel wrote:
To be honest, I'd struggle naming 100 playable characters... But to start off: The female cast of Dragon Age 1, 2 and soon to be 3.

Rules are they have to be playable and I will go ahead and add that custom made characters don't count.

 Sigvatr wrote:
Actually, how many characters does Skullgirls have? Are we close yet?

And, because appropriate:

http://weknowmemes.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/i-wish-there-were-more-strong-female-characters-in-video-games.jpg

Skull girls has 12 playable characters one is a man. Ya actually fighting games are likely going to be were you can get a lot of female characters because these games just have so many playable characters.

nomotog wrote:

 Asherian Command wrote:

nomotog wrote:
We really need to stop bringing up jade. I mean I get it, it was a fun game, but Me and my dog were like the only ones who played it. That a game was so undersold that they had to give it away with cheese and the sequel is ten years late. (Heck my dog is dead, that is how old that game is.) I get it, there aren't a lot of god female characters to pick from, so some times you have to travel back in time and get obscure. That is the problem.

Not really hahaha.
You keep saying that but I can pull out hundreds of female characters.

I smell a challenge. OK here are the rules. No one who is from a game ten years or older. They have to be playable and the game has to have been ported or released on console. Basically if you can name 100 non obscure playable female characters, I will be very impressed.

Hahaha
Okay

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_League_of_Legends_champions (39 of them are female)

61 more to go!

Lara Croft
Samus Aran
Jaina Proudmoore (Wc3
Lady Vashj (Wc3)
Tyrande (Wc3)
Meivdh (Wc3)
Slyvana Wind Runner ( Wc3)
Rubi (Wet)
Faith Connors (Mirror's Edge)
Radiant Jen Zi (Jade Empire),
Scholar Ling (Jade Empire),
Wu the Lotus Blossom (Jade Empire)
Princess Peach
Celemetine (Walking Dead)
Tifa (Final Fantasy)
Sakura Haurno ( Naruto ultimate storm not going to list the other 20 ^.^ far too many)
Abelia Schillfelt
Amy
Angol Fear
Ashlotte
Aurelia Dichalla Dolce Dalkia
Cassandra Alexandra
Hildegard von Krone
Hualin
Ivy Valentine
Kamikirimusi
Luna
Lynette
Scheherazade
Seong Mi-Na
Setsuka
Shura
Sophitia Alexandra
Tak
Talim
Tira
Valeria
Xianghua
(This is only a few of them there are twenty more of them ^.^)



Also : http://www.giantbomb.com/profile/devoureroftime/lists/e3-2014-year-of-the-female-playable-character/90588/
90 Female Characters from that

Mortal Kombat has a very large cast so... .YEah
http://mortalkombat.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Female_Characters
Bayonetta
final fantasy tactics:
Rapha
meliadoul
Agrias Oaks
Lavina and Alicia
Reis
Alma
Princess Ovela
(thats from the first one XD)

And just by looking in the wiki (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Female_characters_in_video_games)


Well I think that goes under the title of Get served.

 Asherian Command wrote:

Spoiler:

It is an alternate time line. The next game has the main character alive and well but in jail

I did not even knew a second game existed. This explains that.

 Dr. Temujin wrote:
http://imgur.com/RfYnkBt

Only Queen of Pain is sexualized? While DOTA2 is certainly not the worst MOBA in that regard (they have nothing on Smite), it takes a whole level of bad faith to say this is not sexualized:

Really, in an image calling journalists on their dishonesty, that is pretty rich. I think that screen capture gives a perfect example of a “form-fitting costume that seems to have shrunken under the wash”.
The GJW that made that image is being completely dishonest. He or she is a pretty good example of why GamerGate sucks.

I was hoping for a nice concise list not a bunch of links. You do have a some that don't count per the rules.Like for example warcraft 3 is over 10 years old.

I finally managed to find the way to easily check the look of each hero in DOTA2, breakdown coming.

nomotog wrote:
I was hoping for a nice concise list not a bunch of links. You do have a some that don't count per the rules.Like for example warcraft 3 is over 10 years old.

Eh. Those characters are also playable in heroes of the storm. If you want a concise list that would take me three hours to complie it all. And considering I have more important things to do. (like programming and animating for a bunch of projects)

I would rather not.

Why the 10 years limit?

Nice full armor:
Legion Commander
Luna (but she is pointing her torso forward in a very strange way )
Phantom Assassin
Medusa

Tons of unnecessary cleavage:
Drow Ranger
Mirana
Templar Assassin
Crystal Maiden
Windranger (her torso is really WTF!?!)
Lina
Echantress (arguably non-sexualized though given the way the character is designed)

Oversexualized:
Vengeful Spirit
Queen of Pain

Non-sexual nudity:
Naga Siren
Broodmother

Not sure where to put Death Prophet

Did I forget some?

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
Nice full armor:
Legion Commander
Luna (but she is pointing her torso forward in a very strange way )
Phantom Assassin
Medusa

Tons of unnecessary cleavage:
Drow Ranger
Mirana
Templar Assassin
Crystal Maiden
Windranger (her torso is really WTF!?!)
Lina
Echantress (arguably non-sexualized though given the way the character is designed)

Oversexualized:
Vengeful Spirit
Queen of Pain

Non-sexual nudity:
Naga Siren
Broodmother

Not sure where to put Death Prophet

Did I forget some?

So what about sexualized.

Sexualization does not mean it is extremely bad considering that sometimes women do wear that type of stuff. But not as common.

Some do have that image in real life. And also it is fantasy.

 Asherian Command wrote:
So what about sexualized.

What about it? It means the GJW who made the image was lying through his or her teeth (or made terribad research on the subject) when he made that image where he or she accused journalists of not being honest. What kind of message does that sends us about GG?

 Sigvatr wrote:
Why the 10 years limit?

Because I was complaining that jade was in a unpopular game over ten years ago, but is almost always brought up when people complain about the lack of women in games. I liked the game ya, but it's just not all that current. So ya, there isn't really like a scientific reason or anything. If I was going to be scientific, I would have limited it to about 5 years because I was taught you don't want to use a source over five years old as evidence.