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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/10/15 00:16:41
Subject: What problems do gamers have with how women are represented in games?
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Fixture of Dakka
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Chaos Space Marine seems potentially a bit too specific. - For all GW's faults, evil, spikey retrogothic science fiction powered Knight Armour, is something that's rather specific, especially if you add in the requirement for 'for a female' (an issue already long discussed in this thread).
Offhand, the only thing that remotely comes close to me. - And by remotely I mean, very remotely indeed.
Are, Hasslefree's 'Power Armored Libby' models. And the Dreadball Void Sirens. (Spoilers for massive pictures)
Although, Mantic do have the female Enforcer Pathfinder model. - Which is basically Mantic's equivalent of Space Marine Scout Armour.
There's got to be something in the Infinity range too that would suit as well.
Of course, none of these would be spikey enough for something 'Chaos Space Mariney' - Maybe something like the female Daedric Armour in Skyrim?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/10/15 00:19:13
Subject: What problems do gamers have with how women are represented in games?
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Glorious Lord of Chaos
The burning pits of Hades, also known as Sweden in summer
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It doesn't have to be sci-fi, or even spiky.
I am mainly very curious to see how many female characters wear big, bulky armour; indeed, if any do. CSM were just an example so you see which 'armour class' I am referring to.
I dislike those pink-white models, but the Enforcer Pathfinder is great.
Of course, no boobplate, no boobwindow, sideboob and what have you, and no high heels.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/10/15 00:20:06
Subject: What problems do gamers have with how women are represented in games?
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Consigned to the Grim Darkness
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There were a couple of female Generals in the Fire Emblem series that would qualify I think. Here's Amelia from The Sacred Stones, doing a critical hit attack with a sword: And Wendy from Sword of Seals, with a Lance:
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/10/15 00:21:20
Subject: What problems do gamers have with how women are represented in games?
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Glorious Lord of Chaos
The burning pits of Hades, also known as Sweden in summer
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...I like that one. A shame she's pretty small, and my eyesight is not very good.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/10/15 00:23:09
Subject: What problems do gamers have with how women are represented in games?
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Fixture of Dakka
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I definitely think Hasslefree might be the good route to have a look at then. - Though I might be 'teaching you to suck eggs' on that.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 0007/04/06 00:23:36
Subject: What problems do gamers have with how women are represented in games?
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Consigned to the Grim Darkness
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Well it was a sprite for the GameBoy Advance, so it was bound to be fairly small :/
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The people in the past who convinced themselves to do unspeakable things were no less human than you or I. They made their decisions; the only thing that prevents history from repeating itself is making different ones.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/10/15 00:27:36
Subject: What problems do gamers have with how women are represented in games?
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Glorious Lord of Chaos
The burning pits of Hades, also known as Sweden in summer
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I think I can see them decently well anyway. Thank you, really good! Showed them to a few friends as well.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/10/15 00:33:40
Subject: What problems do gamers have with how women are represented in games?
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Consigned to the Grim Darkness
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Fire Emblem has a lot of gems like that, I think. Not that much in the way of cheesecake at least.
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The people in the past who convinced themselves to do unspeakable things were no less human than you or I. They made their decisions; the only thing that prevents history from repeating itself is making different ones.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/10/15 01:14:26
Subject: What problems do gamers have with how women are represented in games?
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Ashiraya wrote:It doesn't have to be sci-fi, or even spiky.
I am mainly very curious to see how many female characters wear big, bulky armour; indeed, if any do. CSM were just an example so you see which 'armour class' I am referring to.
I dislike those pink-white models, but the Enforcer Pathfinder is great.
Of course, no boobplate, no boobwindow, sideboob and what have you, and no high heels.
So big, bulky, nonsexual armour?
I think:
Metroid (depending on if you'd consider it 'bulky')
Souls series (Demon's Souls, Dark Souls, Dark Souls 2) have some quite bulky armour sets
Monster Hunter series as well
Fallout 3 & New Vegas with their power armour
X-Com? I vaguely recall their armour sets where reasonably chunky
Probably more I can't remember, but I doubt there'd be many more.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/10/15 04:52:54
Subject: What problems do gamers have with how women are represented in games?
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Fixture of Dakka
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Asherian Command wrote:Hahaha. Get back on-topic.
What would be a great way to introduce a female villain? What makes a good female villain? What would be a great way to introduce it
I like the way Claire got introduced in the comic faust, having sex with a guy afterward she pushes her thumbs into his eyes and then uses a razor to cut his throat
in front of a 2 way mirror where her husband is watching
Maybe NSFW
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/10/15 07:14:15
Subject: Re:What problems do gamers have with how women are represented in games?
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Sorry forgot pics
Demon's Souls - Brushwood and Gloom armour
Dark Souls - Havel and Golem armour
Dark Souls 2 - Steel and Gyrm armour
Monster Hunter Tri - Barroth and Alloy armour
Fallout 3 & New Vegas - power armour
X-Com Enemy Unknown
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/10/15 07:47:41
Subject: Re:What problems do gamers have with how women are represented in games?
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Posts with Authority
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Your Xcom picture is broken.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/10/15 08:08:34
Subject: Re:What problems do gamers have with how women are represented in games?
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Fixed (I hope)
Thank you
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/10/15 12:06:41
Subject: What problems do gamers have with how women are represented in games?
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Hallowed Canoness
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What about that example I mentioned above:
Seems pretty bulky to me. Automatically Appended Next Post: Melissia wrote:There were a couple of female Generals in the Fire Emblem series that would qualify I think.
Here's Amelia from The Sacred Stones, doing a critical hit attack with a sword:
And Wendy from Sword of Seals, with a Lance:

Those two armors look very similar. Like, palette-swap and weapon change similar. I guess those two games are from the same series?
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"Our fantasy settings are grim and dark, but that is not a reflection of who we are or how we feel the real world should be. [...] We will continue to diversify the cast of characters we portray [...] so everyone can find representation and heroes they can relate to. [...] If [you don't feel the same way], you will not be missed"
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/10/15 18:02:32
Subject: What problems do gamers have with how women are represented in games?
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Tzeentch Aspiring Sorcerer Riding a Disc
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You are correct, both of these are Fire Emblem games as she points out  (speaking of which, it's an amazing game series in general)
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/10/15 18:04:02
Subject: What problems do gamers have with how women are represented in games?
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Consigned to the Grim Darkness
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Yep. Fire Emblem is an excellent game series in general. It has its flaws ,but generally its good parts overcome them with aplomb.
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The people in the past who convinced themselves to do unspeakable things were no less human than you or I. They made their decisions; the only thing that prevents history from repeating itself is making different ones.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/10/16 07:39:48
Subject: What problems do gamers have with how women are represented in games?
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Glorious Lord of Chaos
The burning pits of Hades, also known as Sweden in summer
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@Hybrid: Looks okayish, but something just looks... off.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/10/16 07:52:36
Subject: Re:What problems do gamers have with how women are represented in games?
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Wise Ethereal with Bodyguard
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I'm curious, what do you guys think about the new re-done Lara Croft. I watched a playthrough of it, and she seemed, strong, but more realistic.
The lead writer of that game was also Rhianna Pratchett, daughter of Terry Pratchett, so yeah  .
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/10/16 10:54:14
Subject: What problems do gamers have with how women are represented in games?
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Consigned to the Grim Darkness
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Less realistic, really. Too much story and gameplay situation . She only felt bad for killing in cutscenes, but she was okay with brutally massacreing things in gameplay.
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The people in the past who convinced themselves to do unspeakable things were no less human than you or I. They made their decisions; the only thing that prevents history from repeating itself is making different ones.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/10/16 11:59:05
Subject: What problems do gamers have with how women are represented in games?
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Hallowed Canoness
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Well, it meet your criterion, does it not? Especially given the style of the game it is coming from, where very few of the bloodlines wear any real armor, it does qualify as bulky armor.
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"Our fantasy settings are grim and dark, but that is not a reflection of who we are or how we feel the real world should be. [...] We will continue to diversify the cast of characters we portray [...] so everyone can find representation and heroes they can relate to. [...] If [you don't feel the same way], you will not be missed"
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/10/16 12:22:39
Subject: What problems do gamers have with how women are represented in games?
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Missionary On A Mission
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To be fair about Lara Croft, she is not the only character to suffer from a disconnect between the narrative and gameplay. But it was disappointing.
Does anyone remember Flo from Jagged Alliance 2? She started as basically a secretary and complained about the killing. But If you used her enough, she begun to love the thrill of killing.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/10/16 13:10:04
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Consigned to the Grim Darkness
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Iji was, and remains, by FAR the best in terms of gameplay and story integration.
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The people in the past who convinced themselves to do unspeakable things were no less human than you or I. They made their decisions; the only thing that prevents history from repeating itself is making different ones.
-- Adam Serwer
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/10/16 13:19:46
Subject: What problems do gamers have with how women are represented in games?
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Hallowed Canoness
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Iji?
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"Our fantasy settings are grim and dark, but that is not a reflection of who we are or how we feel the real world should be. [...] We will continue to diversify the cast of characters we portray [...] so everyone can find representation and heroes they can relate to. [...] If [you don't feel the same way], you will not be missed"
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/10/16 13:25:43
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Consigned to the Grim Darkness
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Here: http://www.remar.se/daniel/iji.php
It's a great sidescroller game, with the story changing depending on your actions. You don't actually have to kill anyone, though that doesnt' mean there are no deaths.
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The people in the past who convinced themselves to do unspeakable things were no less human than you or I. They made their decisions; the only thing that prevents history from repeating itself is making different ones.
-- Adam Serwer
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/10/16 16:53:03
Subject: What problems do gamers have with how women are represented in games?
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Hallowed Canoness
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Thanks. I will try it if it works with Wine, I guess. I see what you mean by gameplay and story integration now.
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"Our fantasy settings are grim and dark, but that is not a reflection of who we are or how we feel the real world should be. [...] We will continue to diversify the cast of characters we portray [...] so everyone can find representation and heroes they can relate to. [...] If [you don't feel the same way], you will not be missed"
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/10/16 17:25:44
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Consigned to the Grim Darkness
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Also, the author in Iji thought of everything. EVERYTHING.
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The people in the past who convinced themselves to do unspeakable things were no less human than you or I. They made their decisions; the only thing that prevents history from repeating itself is making different ones.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/10/16 17:26:58
Subject: What problems do gamers have with how women are represented in games?
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Fireknife Shas'el
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Ijii Is a neat game, but it has been forever since I played it. The characterization is a lot different then you see in most games.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/10/16 22:26:19
Subject: What problems do gamers have with how women are represented in games?
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Hallowed Canoness
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Melissia wrote:She only felt bad for killing in cutscenes, but she was okay with brutally massacreing things in gameplay.
Not in my game. I definitely recall Lara calling out that they should just talk it over and how she didn't want to kill anyone, even whilst (due to player input) she was pulling the trigger to defend herself.
As her personality changes through the narrative and she becomes more badass, however, these comments change into taunts and challenges. "How do you like that?!"
I thought this was rather cool, and an interesting departure from standard games where the character doesn't actually go through any development in terms of personality changes.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/10/16 22:42:07
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Just sayin': Athena in Borderlands 2 is a badass female PC.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/10/16 22:51:36
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Fireknife Shas'el
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You know what forget Athena. I love Lilith. (Not in that way.) She had a lot more characterization in BL2 and is now my favorite character. Actually throw a dead cat in a borderland game and your going to find a neat character.
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