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I'm playing a Necron player soon, but I have yet to fight Necrons at all. Is there something they are weak to mainly, such as lots of AP 2/3 for SM or large blasts for swarm heavy armies? I have a couple pretty good lists I usually run, but I am looking at if there is stuff I should stock up on. Or should I just say feth it and blast away at him like everyone else?

Two words. Focus fire.

The only way they don't get to stand back up is if you wipe the unit.

What army and what mission type will you be playing?

Be prepared to face a wall of AV13. Played against it and it is intimidating as hell.

Since you didn't give us an army type hard to give advice!

Its either AV13 wall of death or flyer spam, more rarely royal disco court inferno. But if you pack some kind of skyfire and plenty that can hurt AV13 - some high strength blasts would be nice as on a CCB it always hits the chariot so no tanking on the invulnerable save.

Right on. I have yet to play the guy, so I'm not sure what he'll run, but I believe its fairly standard. Some infantry, a flyer or two, and some rez orbs, maybe some wraiths thrown in (trying to recall what I saw him playing a couple months ago).

My main concern was about the 4-5+ resurrection. If I kill the whole unit, can they still get back up?

Also, for mission type, probably some Eternal War roll off. I will be playing Dark Angels 2000 points with either 2 LR, troops, Deathwing CC, Deathwing deepstrike shootie units, and a dev squad with a PFG Libby pack in or 2 LR, troops, DW deepstrike shooties, DW CC, and some bikers with Landspeeder support

They can't get up if you wipe the unit. That's why you're suggested to focus fire.

What about ICs? I have seen some games where an IC can get up on his own. Does that confer to a unit that gets wiped, i.e. an IC joined a unit, everyone wipes, but he can still get up on a roll?

 jreilly89 wrote:
Right on. I have yet to play the guy, so I'm not sure what he'll run, but I believe its fairly standard. Some infantry, a flyer or two, and some rez orbs, maybe some wraiths thrown in (trying to recall what I saw him playing a couple months ago).

My main concern was about the 4-5+ resurrection. If I kill the whole unit, can they still get back up?

Also, for mission type, probably some Eternal War roll off. I will be playing Dark Angels 2000 points with either 2 LR, troops, Deathwing CC, Deathwing deepstrike shootie units, and a dev squad with a PFG Libby pack in or 2 LR, troops, DW deepstrike shooties, DW CC, and some bikers with Landspeeder support

Your list sounds sub-optimal. DW is not optimal for DA. RW is the better way to run DA. It's too bad you are playing Eternal War and not Maelstrom since I think RW DA has the clear upperhand in Maelstrom. For Eternal War I would bet on Necron.

If he plays an optimal list and knows what he is doing he will beat you. If he plays a sub-optimal list and/or doesn't know what he is doing you stand a good chance of beating him. Depends on whose list is the most sub-optimal and who is the better player. All things equal, Necrons has the upper hand in Eternal War over DA. Necrons will eat the LRs so running LRs is def a bad idea. Termies are just too slow.

If you wipe the whole unit, you can consolidate over where his unit used to be so he has no place to reanimate and therewith counter the reanimation protocol. Wiping the whole unit automatically stops basic reanimation. Covering the area with your consolidation move will counter the reanimation of IC and crypteks.

Got to have two vindicators in there at that points level. A landraider is a good choice and death wing bikes with plasma is also good if fragile.

Powerfield Devestator squads with a prescience librarian would not hurt either. Focus on the ABarges until you get a penetrating shot, but CCB's are the real dangers so them first.

Against Necrons you have a good chance of winning if you strike hard and fast.

Drop pods and deepstriking in their deployment zone usually is a good way to do that.

Also kill a unit completely before shooting at another, even if this means you'll probably waste alot of shots.

You'll only get frustrated if that 1 warrior out of that squad of 10 survives and after your shooting is done 5 or 6 get back up.

Also try to get rid of Ghost Arks because they can reanimate Necrons at later turns also (not so if the squad is completely wiped out).

I play Necrons and usually when the battle drags on for 3-4 turns I tend to win, because my troops keep coming back and my opponent keeps losing his/her without the chance of them coming back.

Necrons are an endurance army, but they usually handle hard and fast hitting armylists poorly.

A few hints against Necron:
- Don't forget their AV 13 is no real AV 13. If you score one penetrating hit against Quantum Shielding it is gone and it's only AV 11 left. This means that if your pen hit only shakes the crew or something you can destroy it even with mass S6 shots.
- Ghost Arks are open topped. This means that any flamer hit on it will score D6 hits on the passengers automatically.
- You can prevent Necron from getting up by denying them the space for placing the revived model. This is especially important if you destroy a Catacomb Command Barge. Once you get your consolidation move after winning the cc make sure you distribute your models over the everliving counter so he can't get back up.
- I made good experiences with gun emplacements on buildings. Take e.g. an Aegis Defense Line with an Icarus cannon and you even can use Interceptor and shoot at the Night Scythes when they arrive. He will either jink and you will get shot less at or he takes quite some risk of getting shot down or at least damaged. Most times the opponent will jink.
- Use mobility. Necron troops do not have high range with their rapid fire and if you manage to stay out of range you can eat away at their firepower. Remember that once the Necron troops disembarked from a Night Scythe they cannot re-board.
- Take care if he uses Wraiths with a Destroyer Lord. There is no really good way to take care of those, but I felt that mass fire is the best since he will most times want to use the 2+ save, and if he has to take 10 of those there will be the occasional 1.

Awesome, thank you for all the tips guys. I'll be sure to let you know how it goes and try and remember what list he runs when I play him.

 jreilly89 wrote:
What about ICs? I have seen some games where an IC can get up on his own. Does that confer to a unit that gets wiped, i.e. an IC joined a unit, everyone wipes, but he can still get up on a roll?

Yes. Reanimation Protocol doesn't work if the unit gets wiped.
Ever-living still works if you wipe the unit.

 jreilly89 wrote:
My main concern was about the 4-5+ resurrection. If I kill the whole unit, can they still get back up?

Don't. If that is your main concern, you are probably going to lose

 Murenius wrote:
A few hints against Necron:
- Don't forget their AV 13 is no real AV 13. If you score one penetrating hit against Quantum Shielding it is gone and it's only AV 11 left. This means that if your pen hit only shakes the crew or something you can destroy it even with mass S6 shots.
- Ghost Arks are open topped. This means that any flamer hit on it will score D6 hits on the passengers automatically.
- You can prevent Necron from getting up by denying them the space for placing the revived model. This is especially important if you destroy a Catacomb Command Barge. Once you get your consolidation move after winning the cc make sure you distribute your models over the everliving counter so he can't get back up.
- I made good experiences with gun emplacements on buildings. Take e.g. an Aegis Defense Line with an Icarus cannon and you even can use Interceptor and shoot at the Night Scythes when they arrive. He will either jink and you will get shot less at or he takes quite some risk of getting shot down or at least damaged. Most times the opponent will jink.
- Use mobility. Necron troops do not have high range with their rapid fire and if you manage to stay out of range you can eat away at their firepower. Remember that once the Necron troops disembarked from a Night Scythe they cannot re-board.
- Take care if he uses Wraiths with a Destroyer Lord. There is no really good way to take care of those, but I felt that mass fire is the best since he will most times want to use the 2+ save, and if he has to take 10 of those there will be the occasional 1.

-Also remember that AV13 is not all around, they are all AV11 on the rear.
-No, you cannot prevent the Ever-living roll from a CCB since you don't get a consolidate when you kill a vehicle.
-Aren't Dark Angels roughly the same range as Necrons? I think he'd be better of getting in combat.

My tips:
*Warriors are often taken in small groups. So you can kill them easily. Don't be too afraid of RP if he takes a big squad and do not focus too much fire on them if there are more important targets.
*CCB's are very dangerous on the charge, you better charge them. They are quite vulnerable to PF's.
Don't try to shoot them down, it will take too long.
*Mindshackle Scarab sounds dangerous, so remember this order: 1) You charge. 2) You let him activate MSS. 3) Then you declare a challenge.
That way your character is safe from being mind-controlled.
*Plasma on the rear of Quantum Shielding can easily penetrate, then the rest of your army can finish them off from the front.
*Non-wraiths, non-Royal Court Death Stars and non-Lychguard units will 'easily' be defeated in combat.
*Destroyer Lords usually 'tank' for a group of Wraiths. A Plasma Cannon will allocate a lot of wounds to the Lord.
*When a D-Lord died, you should kill the Wraiths with Boltguns. They are basically T4, Sv3+ with W2; so do what you'd do against two Assault Marines that had Storm Shields and don't use the Heavy Weaponry.
*Necrons don't have a lot of good stuff against 2+, often they have to fall back on VoF.
*Ghost Arks are essentially 'destroyed' when they are Immobilized, no need to finish them off if there are more important things. Unless they are near a Unit of Warriors that is camping an objective.

Jaq Draco lives wrote:
Be prepared to face a wall of AV13. Played against it and it is intimidating as hell.

Since you didn't give us an army type hard to give advice!

Its either AV13 wall of death or flyer spam, more rarely royal disco court inferno. But if you pack some kind of skyfire and plenty that can hurt AV13 - some high strength blasts would be nice as on a CCB it always hits the chariot so no tanking on the invulnerable save.

Why do you think it always hits the vehicle with a blast? News to me and not seen it played that way at tournaments etc.

UPDATE: Well it was brutal. The guy was fun to play against, but my list definitely got outshined. I tried to bum rush him like I normally do Tau and DE and got wrecked. But we've agreed to play a rematch, so I think that may go better and I completely forgot to field a group of tac marines in a razorback

They crumble in assault. Make sure you kill the arks, as well. They tend to use them as really annoying walls that make their troops stand back up. The key to killing arks is massed fire, as once their shield drops you can pummel them easily. Also, give info on what his force looked like, and people can help better.

He ran one Nightscythe with Immortals and a Lord with Rez orb/Warscythe, 5 Wraiths, a Monolith, another group of Immortals with a Lord with Rezorb, a GA, and 20 Warriors with a Destroyer Lord with Rez orb/warscythe.

That's kind of an odd list. Not exactly optimized, but not the worst thing either. How did he play them? What did he do with them that was really effective?

And even more important: What did you do against him?
Because it's quite a tame list and you should have had a big chance of beating it.

Yeah, I definitely feel it was more of a lack of tactics than a bad list. I'm used to playing Dark Eldar and Tau, so I tried to rush him in an objectives based game That pretty much blew up in face. I assaulted a good amount of his units, but I couldn't keep his Necrons down due to the Rezorb and his warscythe tore through my Deathwing.

All in all, I feel if I had kept my Land Raiders back in my deployment as artillery fire and used my troops/Ravenwing to hold the middle objective (it was in the middle of a bridge) then I would have had a better chance of winning. I also completely forgot a group of Tac soldiers and a Razorback, which didn't help

You didn't win in an Assault?
Did you remember to make a Morale check and Sweep them if they failed it?

Kangodo wrote:
You didn't win in an Assault?
Did you remember to make a Morale check and Sweep them if they failed it?

Termies can't make sweeping advances, right?

That is true.
But they still cannot get up if they have to flee.

Dark Angels is a bit underpowered it could be said. It's much easier to build a Space Marine list that can give Necrons the fits. Grav guns, white scar tactics, and chapter masters give them some solid tools to bring to the table in the matchup.

Ravenwing though do have some things going for them in a Maelstrom match-up.

Kholzerino wrote:

Jaq Draco lives wrote:
Be prepared to face a wall of AV13. Played against it and it is intimidating as hell.

Since you didn't give us an army type hard to give advice!

Its either AV13 wall of death or flyer spam, more rarely royal disco court inferno. But if you pack some kind of skyfire and plenty that can hurt AV13 - some high strength blasts would be nice as on a CCB it always hits the chariot so no tanking on the invulnerable save.

Why do you think it always hits the vehicle with a blast? News to me and not seen it played that way at tournaments etc.

Read 7th Edition rules. This is non debatable. Chariot rules.

Jaq Draco lives wrote:

Kholzerino wrote:

Jaq Draco lives wrote:
Be prepared to face a wall of AV13. Played against it and it is intimidating as hell.

Since you didn't give us an army type hard to give advice!

Its either AV13 wall of death or flyer spam, more rarely royal disco court inferno. But if you pack some kind of skyfire and plenty that can hurt AV13 - some high strength blasts would be nice as on a CCB it always hits the chariot so no tanking on the invulnerable save.

Why do you think it always hits the vehicle with a blast? News to me and not seen it played that way at tournaments etc.

Read 7th Edition rules. This is non debatable. Chariot rules.

You are correct.

Shooting At Chariots

Kangodo wrote:
That is true.
But they still cannot get up if they have to flee.

Really? Did not know that. That would explain A LOT of things ah well live and learn

I play Necrons from time to time at my FLGS. Being an IG/AM player, I have a ton of range weapons or, access to alot of plasma/melta. Most necron weapons have a range of 24 inches, so, at the end of your movement, make sure you are 31 inches away. Also, you have to fire on a unit till it is all gone. No need to waste shots and see a third of those pesky crons come back to life (so to speak).

twin linked assault cannons on razorbacks filled with tac marines. necrons play between 12" and 24". Take assault cannons and punish them if they enter that range. assault cannons are the best against necrons. 4 shots at ap4 puts down warriors, rending lets you take off that first hullpoint from AV 13 and twin linked assault cannons make for pretty good AA. Razorbacks are a good way to bring a lot of assault cannons into play. gauss always glances on 6's, so you don't have to pay for the landraider if it only has the same protection from warriors. razorbacks are also objsec so it lets you play to the mission. even better, if you are dark angels, contemptor mortis drednoughts with 2 kheres pattern assault cannons. they will ruin every necron players day every time.

How are whirlwinds? Currently, looking at taking some WW as large army punishers.