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 Co'tor Shas wrote:

 CptJake wrote:

 Co'tor Shas wrote:
Same god, different teachings. Allah/YHVH/God are the same. Christans follow the teaching of Christ, thinking him to be the messiah. Jews disagree, the rabbi asked said that he thinks that Christ was a prophet, but not the messiah. Muslims just follow the teachings of Muhammad, believing him to be another prophet.

Okay, great start.

Now try to compare and contrast the teachings of Christ with those of Mohammed.

Once you do that, you'll see the point that was being made that you currently seem to be missing. Those teachings are very different.

Same god, different teachings.

And that leads to followers of those teachings being quite different.

Different to the point that the 'who' or 'what' they worship, though perhaps coming from common roots, is no longer near the same.

Perhaps if you use a larger font your continued missing of the point will be less evident?

By the way, I'm still waiting for your post showing where I've been factually wrong on my evaluation of Da'ish and their ilk.

 CptJake wrote:

 Co'tor Shas wrote:

 CptJake wrote:

 Co'tor Shas wrote:
Same god, different teachings. Allah/YHVH/God are the same. Christans follow the teaching of Christ, thinking him to be the messiah. Jews disagree, the rabbi asked said that he thinks that Christ was a prophet, but not the messiah. Muslims just follow the teachings of Muhammad, believing him to be another prophet.

Okay, great start.

Now try to compare and contrast the teachings of Christ with those of Mohammed.

Once you do that, you'll see the point that was being made that you currently seem to be missing. Those teachings are very different.

Same god, different teachings.

And that leads to followers of those teachings being quite different.

Different to the point that the 'who' or 'what' they worship, though perhaps coming from common roots, is no longer near the same.

Perhaps if you use a larger font your continued missing of the point will be less evident?

No, the point is, yous said "Those teachings are very different.", while I already said "Same god, different teachings."

They all worship the god of Abraham. if you believe it to be a different god, do you also believe that the gods of Catholisim, Estern Cathosism, Eastern Orthadox, Prodistant, Anglican, Lutheran, Restorationist, Counter-reformist Catholic, Orhtadox Judaism, Conservitve Judism, Reform Judism, Reconstruciopnis Judism, Suni, and Shia all worship different gods?

sirlynchmob wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:
Crusades were what 8 centuries ago, and in response to Islamic crusades.

Murder in the name of Christianity specifically goes against its basic tenets.

There are what 30,000 ISIL guys? How many Boko Haram? How many AQ?

how many witches were burned in africa lately thanks to christian teaching?
How many un american chrsitians showed up in texas to protest against muslims http://www.usatoday.com/videos/news/nation/2015/01/30/22573715/
how many are in the klan? neo nazies? skin heads?

They read from the same book as other christians, so it must be ok to lump you all in together as the bigots right? Clearly the teachings of Jesus is failing as 80% of murder's in the US are christian.

Here we go, the moral relativism is revealed.
African witches are burned by weirdo shamanists and the aforementioned religion of peace.
Sucker please. Showing up to countermarch against an aplogist organization is not terrorism. Its free speech. Je suis NASCAR. You do notice the difference between a march and murder right?
Klan was terrorist racists. They didn't like Catholics, Jews, Episcopals, Lutherans, or Methodists. But they really didn't "those people"
Neo Nazis are...nazis.
And yes the teachings of Jebus are failing.

But, please lump me although I don't believe in that thou shalt not kill nonsense.

Hey cotor, you're the one who mooted "why can't they all just get along? They all worship the same God!"

 Co'tor Shas wrote:

 CptJake wrote:

 Co'tor Shas wrote:

 CptJake wrote:

 Co'tor Shas wrote:
Same god, different teachings. Allah/YHVH/God are the same. Christans follow the teaching of Christ, thinking him to be the messiah. Jews disagree, the rabbi asked said that he thinks that Christ was a prophet, but not the messiah. Muslims just follow the teachings of Muhammad, believing him to be another prophet.

Okay, great start.

Now try to compare and contrast the teachings of Christ with those of Mohammed.

Once you do that, you'll see the point that was being made that you currently seem to be missing. Those teachings are very different.

Same god, different teachings.

And that leads to followers of those teachings being quite different.

Different to the point that the 'who' or 'what' they worship, though perhaps coming from common roots, is no longer near the same.

Perhaps if you use a larger font your continued missing of the point will be less evident?

No, the point is, yous said "Those teachings are very different.", while I already said "Same god, different teachings."

They all worship the god of Abraham. if you believe it to be a different god, do you also believe that the gods of Catholisim, Estern Cathosism, Eastern Orthadox, Prodistant, Anglican, Lutheran, Restorationist, Counter-reformist Catholic, Orhtadox Judaism, Conservitve Judism, Reform Judism, Reconstruciopnis Judism, Suni, and Shia all worship different gods?

Co'tor... please stop.

This line of thought really doesn't matter.

All it does is shift the conversation away from the atrocities being done NOW and provides a backhanded justification. It boils down to... "so what, your ancestors did it too!". Never mind that we're talking about centuries here...

 Frazzled wrote:

sirlynchmob wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:
Crusades were what 8 centuries ago, and in response to Islamic crusades.

Murder in the name of Christianity specifically goes against its basic tenets.

There are what 30,000 ISIL guys? How many Boko Haram? How many AQ?

how many witches were burned in africa lately thanks to christian teaching?
How many un american chrsitians showed up in texas to protest against muslims http://www.usatoday.com/videos/news/nation/2015/01/30/22573715/
how many are in the klan? neo nazies? skin heads?

They read from the same book as other christians, so it must be ok to lump you all in together as the bigots right? Clearly the teachings of Jesus is failing as 80% of murder's in the US are christian.

Here we go, the moral relativism is revealed.
African witches are burned by weirdo shamanists and the aforementioned religion of peace.
Sucker please. Showing up to countermarch against an aplogist organization is not terrorism. Its free speech. Je suis NASCAR. You do notice the difference between a march and murder right?
Klan was terrorist racists. They didn't like Catholics, Jews, Episcopals, Lutherans, or Methodists. But they really didn't "those people"
Neo Nazis are...nazis.
And yes the teachings of Jebus are failing.

But, please lump me although I don't believe in that thou shalt not kill nonsense.

the aforementioned religion of peace, you mean christians right?
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/africa/scandal-of-the-children-killed-for-witchcraft-1003968.html

There have been Christians in Nigeria since the 19th century.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/10/18/african-children-denounce_n_324943.html

African Children Denounced As "Witches" By Christian Pastors

"It is an outrage what they are allowing to take place in the name of Christianity," said Gary Foxcroft, head of nonprofit Stepping Stones Nigeria.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Witchcraft_accusations_against_children

African Pentecostal pastors have incorporated African witchcraft beliefs into their brand of Christianity resulting in a campaign of violence against young Nigerians

 Co'tor Shas wrote:

 CptJake wrote:

 Co'tor Shas wrote:
Same god, different teachings. Allah/YHVH/God are the same. Christans follow the teaching of Christ, thinking him to be the messiah. Jews disagree, the rabbi asked said that he thinks that Christ was a prophet, but not the messiah. Muslims just follow the teachings of Muhammad, believing him to be another prophet.

Okay, great start.

Now try to compare and contrast the teachings of Christ with those of Mohammed.

Once you do that, you'll see the point that was being made that you currently seem to be missing. Those teachings are very different.

Same god, different teachings.

No. Different teaching, different god claiming to be the same god.

They're demonstrably different. Saying they're the same is like claiming that a Great Dane and a Chihuahua are the same just because they're both dogs.

Chihuahuas are the dopplegangers of dogs as in they're not dogs. they just act like dogs.

 whembly wrote:

 Co'tor Shas wrote:

 CptJake wrote:

 Co'tor Shas wrote:

 CptJake wrote:

 Co'tor Shas wrote:
Same god, different teachings. Allah/YHVH/God are the same. Christans follow the teaching of Christ, thinking him to be the messiah. Jews disagree, the rabbi asked said that he thinks that Christ was a prophet, but not the messiah. Muslims just follow the teachings of Muhammad, believing him to be another prophet.

Okay, great start.

Now try to compare and contrast the teachings of Christ with those of Mohammed.

Once you do that, you'll see the point that was being made that you currently seem to be missing. Those teachings are very different.

Same god, different teachings.

And that leads to followers of those teachings being quite different.

Different to the point that the 'who' or 'what' they worship, though perhaps coming from common roots, is no longer near the same.

Perhaps if you use a larger font your continued missing of the point will be less evident?

No, the point is, yous said "Those teachings are very different.", while I already said "Same god, different teachings."

They all worship the god of Abraham. if you believe it to be a different god, do you also believe that the gods of Catholisim, Estern Cathosism, Eastern Orthadox, Prodistant, Anglican, Lutheran, Restorationist, Counter-reformist Catholic, Orhtadox Judaism, Conservitve Judism, Reform Judism, Reconstruciopnis Judism, Suni, and Shia all worship different gods?

Co'tor... please stop.

This line of thought really doesn't matter.

All it does is shift the conversation away from the atrocities being done NOW and provides a backhanded justification. It boils down to... "so what, your ancestors did it too!". Never mind that we're talking about centuries here...

I agree it doesn't matter, I just find it interesting. Like Catholics vs protestants, or suni vs shia.

Edit: Also, I didn't mean it like that. I think what is happening is horrible. There is no excuse for this kind of gak.

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:

 Matthew wrote:
Here we go again: Why can't the US go co op with Syria and Iraq (I know, it won't happen) and bomb the ever living crap outta them?

Because the US government wants to destabilize and effect regime change in Syria?

Huh. That's... Selfish.

 Matthew wrote:

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:

 Matthew wrote:
Here we go again: Why can't the US go co op with Syria and Iraq (I know, it won't happen) and bomb the ever living crap outta them?

Because the US government wants to destabilize and effect regime change in Syria?

Huh. That's... Selfish.

Thats putting it mildly.

Keep in mind that the US President (and the British Government too) wanted to bomb the Syrian government a few years ago to pave the way for a rebel victory, just like we did in Libya. And look how Libya turned out...

Regime change in Syria is exactly what the US Gov wants.

In other on topic news, we've moved more CSAR assets into theater and have some forward based in Iraq as a result of what happened to the Jordanian pilot.

Hopefully we can get the next poor bastard that gets shot down (or goes down for other reasons) out before he is captured.

http://www.yourmiddleeast.com/news/us-moves-pilot-rescue-aircraft-to-northern-iraq-official_29717

How was the pilot shot down?

Was he flying at low altitude and hit by small arms fire?

A makeshift AA gun? (those jury rigged flak cannons that they mount on trucks).

Or was it something altogether more sophisticated? Looted or smuggled military grade hardware, like "stinger" missiles or actual AA tanks taken from the Syrian military?

 Frazzled wrote:

Seriously? The price of oil dropped in half in the last six months. Do better.

You know as well as I do that the drop in oil prices is tied to a reduction in demand as a result of higher prices, which enabled production in regions that would have otherwise been unprofitable; creating a supply surplus. This is not a permanent state of affairs.

 dogma wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:

Seriously? The price of oil dropped in half in the last six months. Do better.

You know as well as I do that the drop in oil prices is tied to a reduction in demand as a result of higher prices, which enabled production in regions that would have otherwise been unprofitable; creating a supply surplus. This is not a permanent state of affairs.

This is true. It has feth all to do with ISIL.

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
How was the pilot shot down?

Was he flying at low altitude and hit by small arms fire?

A makeshift AA gun? (those jury rigged flak cannons that they mount on trucks).

Or was it something altogether more sophisticated? Looted or smuggled military grade hardware, like "stinger" missiles or actual AA tanks taken from the Syrian military?

No real unclassified answer. Heck, maybe no real answer at all. Jordan claims the plane was shot down, Da'Ish claims they shot it down, some in the US attribute the crash to mechanical problems with the plane.

Da'Ish has fired SA-7 types, FN-6 (thank you Qatar) and similar (some of these are very modern, allegedly they have SA-18s and SA-24s) MANPADS at Syrian, Iraqi, US and Coalition aircraft. They've captured many from Syria, allegedly got some from Libya stock, and Qatar supplied some to groups that have since joined with Da'Ish. Other sources contributed as well.




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This is bad news if true:

http://news.yahoo.com/purported-claim-jordan-airstrike-kills-female-us-hostage-171355188.html

 Grey Templar wrote:

 Co'tor Shas wrote:

 CptJake wrote:

 Co'tor Shas wrote:
Same god, different teachings. Allah/YHVH/God are the same. Christans follow the teaching of Christ, thinking him to be the messiah. Jews disagree, the rabbi asked said that he thinks that Christ was a prophet, but not the messiah. Muslims just follow the teachings of Muhammad, believing him to be another prophet.

Okay, great start.

Now try to compare and contrast the teachings of Christ with those of Mohammed.

Once you do that, you'll see the point that was being made that you currently seem to be missing. Those teachings are very different.

Same god, different teachings.

No. Different teaching, different god claiming to be the same god.

They're demonstrably different. Saying they're the same is like claiming that a Great Dane and a Chihuahua are the same just because they're both dogs.

So the fact that the Quran explicitly spells out that it's the same God doesn't matter, because you don't feel like they're the same, so they're not?

I wasn't aware the Koran considered Jesus the Son of God and part of the trinity that is God. Can you point out the relevant verses for me?

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:

So the fact that the Quran explicitly spells out that it's the same God doesn't matter, because you don't feel like they're the same, so they're not?

Well that is what christianity seems to be about. Deny everything in the bible you don't personally agree with, change the other stuff to suit your needs.

take marriage for example, god defines marriage in many different ways, christians claim 1 man, 1 women is the only valid way because they know better than god does.
homosexuality is an abomination, divorces are ok, because god understands they had to get rid of that crazy woman.
Point out the evil in others at all times to avoid having to reflect on their own evils. Because jesus had so many nice things to say about hypocrites.

Take fraz a few posts ago, god says "thou shalt not kill" fraz doesn't agree with that nonsense.

 Frazzled wrote:

This is true. It has feth all to do with ISIL.

I'm arguing that the US has a compelling interest to keep it that way.

 CptJake wrote:
I wasn't aware the Koran considered Jesus the Son of God and part of the trinity that is God. Can you point out the relevant verses for me?

You realize that doesn't matter at all. It's just different beliefs surrounding the same god. It's the same with Jews vs Christians. Jews do not think Jesus is the son of god, it's still the same god. It's not the the religions are the same (they are similar, but not the same), it's that the god they worship is the same. Maybe some groups just worship the god wrong? Or maybe they are all wrong?

sirlynchmob wrote:

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:

So the fact that the Quran explicitly spells out that it's the same God doesn't matter, because you don't feel like they're the same, so they're not?

Well that is what christianity seems to be about. Deny everything in the bible you don't personally agree with, change the other stuff to suit your needs.

take marriage for example, god defines marriage in many different ways, christians claim 1 man, 1 women is the only valid way because they know better than god does.
homosexuality is an abomination, divorces are ok, because god understands they had to get rid of that crazy woman.
Point out the evil in others at all times to avoid having to reflect on their own evils. Because jesus had so many nice things to say about hypocrites.

Take fraz a few posts ago, god says "thou shalt not kill" fraz doesn't agree with that nonsense.

Actually the New Testament doesn't say anything about homosexuality.
Not certain if it says anything about divorce.

 CptJake wrote:
I did it for the great chow and sleeping conditions.

But I can't expect the taxpayers to subsidize a war based on my desire to eat MREs and sleep in the gun hatch of my hummer.

It isn't about why the soldiers fight, it is about why we are asking them to do so, determining why it is important enough to go further into debt as a country as we send the troops into a war. Determining WHAT we are asking them to accomplish.

Sure, it's nice to know and support the politics about the fight while you're there, but I don't think its a good idea to focus on that gak while youre there. The focus should be on Acchomplishing the mission, and the welfare of the soldiers (or bascially keeping the guy to my left and right alive), and leave the politicing to the guys who are getting paid way more then me to do it.

Sure it sucks playing "whack a mole" with jerks across the world, but whats the alternative. I think we have seen in history what happens when the bad guys win or when we just fight them to standstill. Hell we can look at DPRK for what happens when we don't finish the job ( although I understand why we didn't, no one wants a landwar with china).

Groups like the ISIS don't just make some sort of goal and stop there. They keep going. Once they know that no one is going to make the concentrated effort to stop them they think that its going to be okay to continue. I hate to godwin here, but this has some intresting similarities to pre-WW2 war Europe.

Sucks that we can't seem to not get drawn into it, but i guess with great power comes great obligations. We have seen that we can't count on Europe to even keep their own backyard clear of Genocide (looking at you Serbia/Kosovo), so who else is going to stem the rise and advancment of groups like the ISIL if we don't.

We have to look at the long term consequences. We leave them alone and they continue to spead across Iraq. eventually Iran will get involved, they don't want crazy ass sunnis in their shia backyard, do we really need a repeat of the Iran/Iraq war? Anyone wanna guess how much that will feth with the global economy? Hell we could even assume that Kuwait and SA would get involved as well.

 CptJake wrote:
This is bad news if true:

http://news.yahoo.com/purported-claim-jordan-airstrike-kills-female-us-hostage-171355188.html

That could be a very big "if"

 Frazzled wrote:

sirlynchmob wrote:

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:

So the fact that the Quran explicitly spells out that it's the same God doesn't matter, because you don't feel like they're the same, so they're not?

Well that is what christianity seems to be about. Deny everything in the bible you don't personally agree with, change the other stuff to suit your needs.

take marriage for example, god defines marriage in many different ways, christians claim 1 man, 1 women is the only valid way because they know better than god does.
homosexuality is an abomination, divorces are ok, because god understands they had to get rid of that crazy woman.
Point out the evil in others at all times to avoid having to reflect on their own evils. Because jesus had so many nice things to say about hypocrites.

Take fraz a few posts ago, god says "thou shalt not kill" fraz doesn't agree with that nonsense.

Actually the New Testament doesn't say anything about homosexuality.
Not certain if it says anything about divorce.

I heard an interesting take on the "shalt not lie with a man" thing a while ago. It was a rabbi (I think, could have been a priest) who said it actually was talking about male-male rape. Rape was often used humiliation, like that one story of the guy who gave his daughter to be raped by a mob, instead of the the (male) guest at his home.

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:

 Grey Templar wrote:

 Co'tor Shas wrote:

 CptJake wrote:

 Co'tor Shas wrote:
Same god, different teachings. Allah/YHVH/God are the same. Christans follow the teaching of Christ, thinking him to be the messiah. Jews disagree, the rabbi asked said that he thinks that Christ was a prophet, but not the messiah. Muslims just follow the teachings of Muhammad, believing him to be another prophet.

Okay, great start.

Now try to compare and contrast the teachings of Christ with those of Mohammed.

Once you do that, you'll see the point that was being made that you currently seem to be missing. Those teachings are very different.

Same god, different teachings.

No. Different teaching, different god claiming to be the same god.

They're demonstrably different. Saying they're the same is like claiming that a Great Dane and a Chihuahua are the same just because they're both dogs.

So the fact that the Quran explicitly spells out that it's the same God doesn't matter, because you don't feel like they're the same, so they're not?

The Koran can say whatever it wants. But my religious book says that god exists in a 3 person godhead, the Koran says the exact opposite. Ergo, they cannot be the same.

Is your god different from the jewish god?

Edit: Or maybe they are worshiping god "wrong".

 Grey Templar wrote:

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:

 Grey Templar wrote:

 Co'tor Shas wrote:

 CptJake wrote:

 Co'tor Shas wrote:
Same god, different teachings. Allah/YHVH/God are the same. Christans follow the teaching of Christ, thinking him to be the messiah. Jews disagree, the rabbi asked said that he thinks that Christ was a prophet, but not the messiah. Muslims just follow the teachings of Muhammad, believing him to be another prophet.

Okay, great start.

Now try to compare and contrast the teachings of Christ with those of Mohammed.

Once you do that, you'll see the point that was being made that you currently seem to be missing. Those teachings are very different.

Same god, different teachings.

No. Different teaching, different god claiming to be the same god.

They're demonstrably different. Saying they're the same is like claiming that a Great Dane and a Chihuahua are the same just because they're both dogs.

So the fact that the Quran explicitly spells out that it's the same God doesn't matter, because you don't feel like they're the same, so they're not?

The Koran can say whatever it wants. But my religious book says that god exists in a 3 person godhead, the Koran says the exact opposite. Ergo, they cannot be the same.

Or one (or both) is wrong.

Or maybe there is no God and EVERYBODY is wrong. A wacky idea, I know.

Can we get back on topic now?

 Co'tor Shas wrote:
Is your god different from the jewish god?

Edit: Or maybe they are worshiping god "wrong".

ya there's something funny going on in that relationship.

the jews are the chosen people of god

christians say because the jews don't accept jesus they're going to burn in hell

the jews don't believe in a hell though

christians say jesus fulfilled all the prophecies, they jews say he didn't.

maybe jesus was the false prophet and mohammad was the real one.