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Eight years later, Zawahiri is still alive. Seventy-six children and 29 adults, according to reports after the two strikes, are not.
So what's the solution, just keep killing children? Don't kill your kids, let us kill them and your women & livestock as well. Genocide FTW.
And given the way ISIS is taking and selling people as slaves, how can you not agree they're following the god of your bible?
So what is worth saving in your society?
And with that we've confirmed you're just vying for King of Trolls.
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Co'tor Shas wrote: People use religion as an excuse to do evil things for there own benefit. It happens time and time again. It is not the religions fault, and we should not blame those who practice religion for it. If Islam did not exist, these sort of people would still exist. They would use different things, economics (such as communism), or racism (like nazism).
This is not Islam's fault, and the crusades were not Christanity's fault.
That does not excuse religious doctrine and ideology from scrutiny and criticism.
When religious law exhort true believers to kill apostates, adulterers, homosexuals and unbelievers, it is fair and reasonable to blame said religion when believers kill apostates, adulterers, homosexuals and unbelievers.
Criticising and blaming a religion =/= blaming each and every member of that religion.
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Grey Templar wrote: Well the Crusades themselves were in response to aggressive Islamic expansion.
And while there were certainly brutal acts committed during the crusades, they were not particularly brutal for the time period when you consider everything as a whole
Jerusalem had been in Muslim hands for almost 400 years at the time Pope Urban called for the first Crusade. If the first Crusade had taken place in Iberia, there might be a point to that, but that was left for the Spanish to deal with.
And, actually even by the standards of the middle ages, some of what Godfrey and co did was considered shockingly brutal. The end of the siege of Jerusalem was described by witnesses as 'No one had ever seen or even heard of such a slaughter...' The fact that Count Raymond of Aguilers managed to have a few people spared from Death or Slavery was considered of note. Over sixty thousand people died, putting it in the top 20 bloodiest sieges in history.
To find an equal massacre, you have to wait for the Sack of Baghdad by the Mongols almost 200 years later., when they killed about 90,000 people. Before that, you'd have to go back three centuries to the Siege of Constantinople.
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Fate is in heaven, armor is on the chest, accomplishment is in the feet. - Nagao Kagetora
Grey Templar wrote: Well the Crusades themselves were in response to aggressive Islamic expansion.
And while there were certainly brutal acts committed during the crusades, they were not particularly brutal for the time period when you consider everything as a whole
Jerusalem had been in Muslim hands for almost 400 years at the time Pope Urban called for the first Crusade. If the first Crusade had taken place in Iberia, there might be a point to that, but that was left for the Spanish to deal with.
The Pope had already made a call for Christian Knights to help retake Spain from the Muslims just prior to the calling of the First Crusade. Urban II even plead with Knights fighting in Spain to remain there, instead of taking up the call of the Crusade.
Wasn't the first crusade a response to the plea for aid by the orthodox Christian Byzantine Emperor whose empire was being invaded by Turkish Muslims? He asked for a few hundred elite knights...And got a motley army of several thousand crusaders instead who proceeded to loot and make themselves at home in whatever cities they pleased... (including some Byzantine cities).
CptJake wrote: Would have ben nice if he noted the time line too. The Crusades were quite a while back (and in response to Muslim expansion). He could also have noted how Christianity was in large part responsible for the abolitionist that brought an end to slavery.
Of course, that would not have fit the narrative.
And of course, one groups bad actions/atrocities, especially a couple hundred years or further back do NOT work as good excuses for another groups current atrocities. But hat again seems to be contrary to the narrative.
Historically speaking the Christians bathed Europe in blood in the name of their god before and after the crusades, and it wasn't just in the Middle East against Muslims. Plenty of chunks of Northern Europe were forced to convert to the teachings of Christ or die at the point of a Crusader sword. However outside of pointing out Catholic and Protestant hypocrisy this is just historical fact at this point and not truly relevant to the modern era.
Christian terrorists have murdered plenty of people in the United States and in Canada and Australia. The Klan is a Christian terrorist organization and have committed numerous crimes over the years, but even more modernly then that in the last 30 years Christian terrorists have committed numerous acts of murder, assault, kidnapping, arson, bombings and of course that one gakker who mailed 544 women's clinics a substance purporting to be Anthrax.
However the point is not that the successors to the Abrahamic faiths are a violent, dangerous lot who certainly shouldn't be allowed to dictate the morality and laws of any nation. The point is that blaming Christians for the Klan is about as sensible as blaming Muslims for Daesh or AQ.
I beg of you sarge let me lead the charge when the battle lines are drawn
Lemme at least leave a good hoof beat they'll remember loud and long
And with that we've confirmed you're just vying for King of Trolls.
Nope, I could never take the tile from you.
If were determining who the good guys are in this war by who's killing the least amount of children, the US is clearly the bad guys.
Doesn't it bother you at all that your government is killing thousands of innocent people in it's random bombings done in your name, by your voice, for you.
If you believe the other posters, both sides want the same thing. Christians want to commit genocide against muslims, because they claim muslims want to wipe out western civilization. At this point both sides are nothing more than terrorists, calling for the genocide of the other. Both are guilty of the same crimes, Both are equally evil and immoral. Except it's not muslims calling for genocide against the west, it's a small fringe group. And if small fringe groups represent everyone who reads the same book, then christians should really start cleaning their own glass house.
The only way to end the madness and the endless war is to call for peace and to start peace talks.
Peace?do you mean let them behead in peace?Or kill all of them?What other options are there?
Kote!
Kandosii sa ka'rte, vode an.
Coruscanta a'den mhi, vode an.
Bal kote,Darasuum kote,
Jorso'ran kando a tome.
Sa kyr'am nau tracyn kad vode an.
Bal...
Motir ca'tra nau tracinya.
Gra'tua cuun hett su dralshy'a.
Aruetyc talyc runi'la trattok'a.
Sa kyr'am nau tracyn kad, vode an!
Doesn't it bother you at all that your government is killing thousands of innocent people in it's random bombings done in your name, by your voice, for you.
Source?
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I actually wonder what sirlynchmob would have done about Hitler. "Peace with monsters" seems to be his idea.
Kote!
Kandosii sa ka'rte, vode an.
Coruscanta a'den mhi, vode an.
Bal kote,Darasuum kote,
Jorso'ran kando a tome.
Sa kyr'am nau tracyn kad vode an.
Bal...
Motir ca'tra nau tracinya.
Gra'tua cuun hett su dralshy'a.
Aruetyc talyc runi'la trattok'a.
Sa kyr'am nau tracyn kad, vode an!
Da krimson barun wrote: I actually wonder what sirlynchmob would have done about Hitler. "Peace with monsters" seems to be his idea.
Welcome to the world of our Liberal & NDP ideologies!
Hell, the federal Lib leader actually went on radio in London Ont. barely a couple weeks ago and had the audacity to state that Canada should be deploying our military to the war against ISIS, 'only if there's a chance at achieving an actual victory'
In other words, our opposition parties are of the mindset that we shouldn't have even gotten involved in WWII, because well, there wasn't a clear-cut chance of 'winning' until the very end!
Da krimson barun wrote: Peace?do you mean let them behead in peace?Or kill all of them?What other options are there?
Apparently there's also;
1. burying our collective heads in the sand and hoping the problem will fix itself.
2. hug-a-thug policies and blaming our evil Western ways to excuse Islamism in true apologist fashion.
3. convincing ourselves that if we don't bother Islamic State and leave them be, they'll of course have 0 reason to attack us.
Something sirlynchmob seems to ignore is the fact that just prior to 9/11, the western countries got together and attacked Serbia in order to put an end to the genocide of Bosnian Muslims.
Doesn't it bother you at all that your government is killing thousands of innocent people in it's random bombings done in your name, by your voice, for you.
Source?
The constitution, We the people of the united states,
The Gettysburg Address, A government of the people, by the people, and for the people.
Is the president not your elected representative, You're part of a representative democracy right?
Do you not know how your government works?
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Da krimson barun wrote: I actually wonder what sirlynchmob would have done about Hitler. "Peace with monsters" seems to be his idea.
When there's a war between two genocidal monsters, which monster do you support?
Da krimson barun wrote: I actually wonder what sirlynchmob would have done about Hitler. "Peace with monsters" seems to be his idea.
Welcome to the world of our Liberal & NDP ideologies!
Hell, the federal Lib leader actually went on radio in London Ont. barely a couple weeks ago and had the audacity to state that Canada should be deploying our military to the war against ISIS, 'only if there's a chance at achieving an actual victory'
In other words, our opposition parties are of the mindset that we shouldn't have even gotten involved in WWII, because well, there wasn't a clear-cut chance of 'winning' until the very end!
To be fair, that was the plan from the US during the war.
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I believe they were instead asking for the source of the: "thousands of innocent people" as well as a qualification of any bombings that are being done being 'random'.
Compel wrote: I believe they were instead asking for the source of the: "thousands of innocent people" as well as a qualification of any bombings that are being done being 'random'.
Chill out mate, I've got no opinion on all this, I'm just attempting to clarify another posters request for a source, that's all. There's no need to be snappy. No need to try to lynch me for it.
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Grey Templar wrote: Well the Crusades themselves were in response to aggressive Islamic expansion.
And while there were certainly brutal acts committed during the crusades, they were not particularly brutal for the time period when you consider everything as a whole
Jerusalem had been in Muslim hands for almost 400 years at the time Pope Urban called for the first Crusade. If the first Crusade had taken place in Iberia, there might be a point to that, but that was left for the Spanish to deal with.
The Pope had already made a call for Christian Knights to help retake Spain from the Muslims just prior to the calling of the First Crusade. Urban II even plead with Knights fighting in Spain to remain there, instead of taking up the call of the Crusade.
Why the hell would a knight want to leave Spain for the holy land? Gorgeous Spanish women, beautiful country, nice weather, no boat ride to get back to other parts of Europe, you're fighting the Moors and not the hardcore caliphs to the East, your lines of supply are much shorter, the populace is either supportive of you or apathetic, as opposed to openly hostile, Generally the captured are treated a tiny bit better by both sides, since the outcome seems so tenuous, Gorgeous Spanish women, oranges, the food, Gorgeous Spanish women... I don't get get, you'd have to drag me and my charger kicking and screaming to leave the reconquista for the crusades. No way man, I'll stay here in Iberia thanks very much. Plus you actually had a shot with the Gorgeous Spanish women, I doubt you could get any from women in the Levant. Yeah. Spain for me, please.
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Abadabadoobaddon wrote:
Phoenix wrote:Well I don't think the battle company would do much to bolster the ranks of my eldar army so no.
Nonsense. The Battle Company box is perfect for filling out your ranks of aspect warriors with a large contingent from the Screaming Baldies shrine.
sirlynchmob wrote: The only way to end the madness and the endless war is to call for peace and to start peace talks.
Neville Chamberlain wrote:The settlement of the Czechoslovakian problem, which has now been achieved is, in my view, only the prelude to a larger settlement in which all Europe may find peace. This morning I had another talk with the German Chancellor, Herr Hitler, and here is the paper which bears his name upon it as well as mine. Some of you, perhaps, have already heard what it contains but I would just like to read it to you: ' ... We regard the agreement signed last night and the Anglo-German Naval Agreement as symbolic of the desire of our two peoples never to go to war with one another again.'
(italics mine)
See, the underlying assumption is that reasonable people don't want to go to war and that peace is desired by both parties. The problem is that it depends on both parties being reasonable. All sorts of peace gestures and agreements were made with Hitler. It didn't stop him from overrunning most of Europe.
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Compel wrote: Chill out mate, I've got no opinion on all this, I'm just attempting to clarify another posters request for a source, that's all. There's no need to be snappy. No need to try to lynch me for it.
No snapping involved, I sourced the bombings that the US is doing and the many innocent children they are killing, Believe me, it was one source out of many available. so i could only assume that the source being asked for in a one word post was about How I claimed it was in his name. Fraz quoted me with the link at the top of the current page, the source is there for all to read.
Waiting for my shill money from Spiral Arm Studios
Those numbers are frankly very small compared to what they would have been if we hadn't used drones.
The people really responsible for collateral damage are the cowards hiding behind civilians.
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Cato Sicarius, after force feeding Captain Ventris a copy of the Codex Astartes for having the audacity to play Deathwatch, chokes to death on his own D-baggery after finding Calgar assembling his new Eldar army.
sirlynchmob wrote: The only way to end the madness and the endless war is to call for peace and to start peace talks.
Neville Chamberlain wrote:The settlement of the Czechoslovakian problem, which has now been achieved is, in my view, only the prelude to a larger settlement in which all Europe may find peace. This morning I had another talk with the German Chancellor, Herr Hitler, and here is the paper which bears his name upon it as well as mine. Some of you, perhaps, have already heard what it contains but I would just like to read it to you: ' ... We regard the agreement signed last night and the Anglo-German Naval Agreement as symbolic of the desire of our two peoples never to go to war with one another again.'
(italics mine)
See, the underlying assumption is that reasonable people don't want to go to war and that peace is desired by both parties. The problem is that it depends on both parties being reasonable. All sorts of peace gestures and agreements were made with Hitler. It didn't stop him from overrunning most of Europe.
But in the end, there is a peace treaty with germany right? At least during WWII one side was still being reasonable. As the US seems to have lost all reason, they no longer have any moral ground to stand on. They seem quite happy about the thought of a endless war which will accomplish nothing with no goals, and no way to achieve any sort of victory, and will continue to cost them $300,000 per hour or 8 million a day and that's just against ISIS. Given the US's track record of supporting terrorists, then having to fight to remove the groups they backed, so another one can arise, It's truly a exercise in insanity to expect a different result.
Grey Templar wrote: Those numbers are frankly very small compared to what they would have been if we hadn't used drones.
The people really responsible for collateral damage are the cowards hiding behind civilians.
Those numbers were from 2 drones out of countless drones, They weren't hiding behind civilians, the US targeted groups of civilians hoping to catch 1 bad guy. the US is responsible for those losses of life
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But in the end, there is a peace treaty with germany right? At least during WWII one side was still being reasonable.
No actually. Germany surrendered unconditionally, and it's conquerors decided what would be done with it at Potsdam. Who's solution was basically forced re-education and the division of Germany, which was not allowed to re-unify until the 1990's. Some of the original proposals regarding what to do with it were so far from reasonable that the light from reason will not reach them for another ten thousand years. Fortunately, reality, in the form of an aggressive Stalin forced them to reconsider some of their wilder ideas, such as stripping Germany of all industry and most modern technology and forcing them to farm for a living.
Fate is in heaven, armor is on the chest, accomplishment is in the feet. - Nagao Kagetora
The video explains that Anons engaged in #OpISIS are “Muslims, Christians, Jews” alike. They are “hackers, crackers, Hacktivist, phishers, agents, spies, or just the guy next door… students, administrators, workers, clerks, unemployed, rich, poor.”
The video continues to explain to their enemies that they are “young, or old, gay or straight… from all races, countries, religions, and ethnicity. United as one, divided by zero.”
The video seeks to inform the public that “the terrorists that are calling themselves [the] Islamic State (ISIS) are not Muslims.”
Follow the prefacing “clarification,” the video explains the following, direct to ISIS specifically:
We will hunt you, take down your sites, accounts, emails, and expose you…
From now on, no safe place for you online…
You will be treated like a virus, and we are the cure…
We own the internet…
We are Anonymous; we are Legion; we do not forgive, we do not forget, Expect us.
Some of ISIS Twitter accounts, that were taken offline by Anonymous, RedCult team as part of #OpISIS are as follows:
Anonymous assures us that there are “more to come.” In fact, as we were writing this article, our sources within Red Cult contacted us with more accounts to update. Bookmark this page, as we suspect there will be more updates soon.
Some old childish Anonymous, but hey. At least the ones suffering at their hands this round totally deserve
sirlynchmob wrote: The only way to end the madness and the endless war is to call for peace and to start peace talks.
Neville Chamberlain wrote:The settlement of the Czechoslovakian problem, which has now been achieved is, in my view, only the prelude to a larger settlement in which all Europe may find peace. This morning I had another talk with the German Chancellor, Herr Hitler, and here is the paper which bears his name upon it as well as mine. Some of you, perhaps, have already heard what it contains but I would just like to read it to you: ' ... We regard the agreement signed last night and the Anglo-German Naval Agreement as symbolic of the desire of our two peoples never to go to war with one another again.'
(italics mine)
See, the underlying assumption is that reasonable people don't want to go to war and that peace is desired by both parties. The problem is that it depends on both parties being reasonable. All sorts of peace gestures and agreements were made with Hitler. It didn't stop him from overrunning most of Europe.
More like, the inaction and naïve appeasement allowed Hitler the time to build up his war machine to the point that German forces were far beyond the limited capabilities of mainland Europe, and forced both Britain & France into a fighting withdrawl from a vastly superior armed force.
Frighteningly, ISIS's rise is very similar to the swift build-up of the German forces in the early to mid 1930's. The inaction and unwillingness of the political left has yet again, put us in a position of apathy where we're only making frankly cosmetic difference to the fight. (limited air strikes alone can't win this war)
Meanwhile, the badly outnumbered Kurds are the only real fighting force worth a damn on the ground, outside of a small fraction of western spec ops units. And ISIS is gaining a large amount of practical combat experience among it's fighters.
Granted I don't really want to see us get involved in yet another bloody sectarian conflict in the region. But IS is to the point that we do need a much more cooperative effort on the ground as well as from the air. (and possibly naval support as well if the capability is there)
Worst case scenario, ISIS is able to beat back the Kurdish forces and gains control of enough ground that the Saudis feel threatened into taking drastic action, which then causes Iran into the fray... at which point, the motherload of all gak hits the fan.
Compel wrote: I believe they were instead asking for the source of the: "thousands of innocent people" as well as a qualification of any bombings that are being done being 'random'.
I sourced that a page ago, go google it yourself.
I did. But, since sirlynchmob cannot keep the froth from his mouth, I am out. Enjoy your crazy
More like, the inaction and naïve appeasement allowed Hitler the time to build up his war machine to the point that German forces were far beyond the limited capabilities of mainland Europe, and forced both Britain & France into a fighting withdrawl from a vastly superior armed force.
I suspect that the concept of peace talks as 'delaying tactic' might be beyond him. It certainly seems beyond France and Germany atm in the Ukraine.
Fate is in heaven, armor is on the chest, accomplishment is in the feet. - Nagao Kagetora
so no.