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**Ouze**

BaronIveagh wrote:
My knee jerk reaction is to suspect someone had more gold braid than sense and was trying to cover their own ass. (whether in the military or civilian end of things).

... maybe. We definitely need to know more, a lot more. The idea that the Obama Administration doesn't want to hear valid reasons we might need to put troops on the ground somewhere - anywhere - isn't exactly a hard sell. Is it true to the point that created a conspiracy to avoid this? I assume we'll find out in the days to come.

**BaronIveagh**

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-34211838

Lovely. That's just lovely...

**Mr. Burning**

BaronIveagh wrote:
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-34211838

Lovely. That's just lovely...

Oh man, that's just deplorable, a shocking thing to happen, chemical agents being used, tsk tsk. 'The humanity' of it all. They really shouldn't and boy if we find out they been using such horrible weapons then I guess we'll just have to state our objection to such happenings.

**Shadow Captain Edithae**

Mr. Burning wrote:
BaronIveagh wrote:
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-34211838

Lovely. That's just lovely...

Oh man, that's just deplorable, a shocking thing to happen, chemical agents being used, tsk tsk. 'The humanity' of it all. They really shouldn't and boy if we find out they been using such horrible weapons then I guess we'll just have to state our objection to such happenings.

Since our notorious "Red Lines" don't work, shall we start using Amber Lines instead?

**Mr. Burning**

Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
Mr. Burning wrote:
BaronIveagh wrote:
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-34211838

Lovely. That's just lovely...

Oh man, that's just deplorable, a shocking thing to happen, chemical agents being used, tsk tsk. 'The humanity' of it all. They really shouldn't and boy if we find out they been using such horrible weapons then I guess we'll just have to state our objection to such happenings.

Since our notorious "Red Lines" don't work, shall we start using Amber Lines instead?

Lets lean more towards yellow.

We should urge all parties to stop and think about their actions and call on all inhabitants of the region to express their desire for peace. Our regional partners are assured of our support and of our stance towards the aggressors.

**Psienesis**

You do realize we (that is, the US) sold Iraq the chemical weapons they used on the Kurds almost 30 years ago, right?

However, since IS isn't a signatory to the Geneva Conventions, then their use of biological and chemical warfare agents isn't exactly a violation of its terms.

**CthuluIsSpy**

Jihadin wrote:
They better ease off Russia being Putin not going to screw around. Putin would hold the hand of a Vulcan Intelligence Officer and go step by step how he himself will give the order to unleash the Red Orchestra of Mayhem and Duplicity

Red Alert 4 confirmed

Seriously, let it happen. I want the skies black with kirovs.

**BlaxicanX**

Psienesis wrote:
You do realize we (that is, the US) sold Iraq the chemical weapons they used on the Kurds almost 30 years ago, right?

However, since IS isn't a signatory to the Geneva Conventions, then their use of biological and chemical warfare agents isn't exactly a violation of its terms.

Please don't let facts get in the way of our war-mongering.

**Mr Morden**

Jihadin wrote:
Putin is beating Britain to "mopping" up in Syria. They're moving troops in and expanded their foot print to a city at their Naval Base there I heard recently

True but maybe the other nations in the actual region should do something about it - they have enough weapons supplied to them by all the major powers.

Also as much as we try to pretend otherwise - Britain is not a major military power and has not been for a long time - the Falklands was maybe our last gasp and we have done nothing but cut back on defence spending since then.............still gota keep paying politicans and bank bonuses somehow..........

Russia may well be worried about forces in Chechnya and ISIS joining up - as they seem to have similar ideas about how to interpret Islam ?

**AlmightyWalrus**

Mr Morden wrote:
Also as much as we try to pretend otherwise - Britain is not a major military power and has not been for a long time

Compared to most of the rest of the world, yes you are.

**CthuluIsSpy**

AlmightyWalrus wrote:
Mr Morden wrote:
Also as much as we try to pretend otherwise - Britain is not a major military power and has not been for a long time

Compared to most of the rest of the world, yes you are.

Yep. The UK are about the 5th strongest, after the US, Russia, China and India.

**Shadow Captain Edithae**

India has a stronger military than us? India?? Thats...embarrassing.

**AlmightyWalrus**

Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
India has a stronger military than us? India?? Thats...embarrassing.

Quantity has a quality all of its own.

**Henry**

India has more numbers and materiel. That's not the same as saying they are stronger. Britain punches above its weight thanks to some of the best training in the world and (in spite of what the no-nothing tabloids would like you to think) some of the best equipment. Also, historically, we are inclined to get stuck in from the start which earns us much needed respect and also ensures we have high levels of experience at all levels.

Numbers =/= strength

**CthuluIsSpy**

Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
India has a stronger military than us? India?? Thats...embarrassing.

Having a large population and being next to a country that hates you helps

Supposedly they have quite an impressive missile network.

The brits do have the larger navy though, better equipment and better training.
They also have a stronger strategic position; its hard to drive your tanks over an ocean.

**AlmightyWalrus**

Henry wrote:

Numbers =/= strength

Depends. It's certainly part of strength.

**Shadow Captain Edithae**

CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
India has a stronger military than us? India?? Thats...embarrassing.

Having a large population and being next to a country that hates you helps
Supposedly they have quite an impressive missile network.

The brits do have the larger navy though, better equipment and better training.
They also have a stronger strategic position; its hard to drive your tanks over an ocean.

Not if you man the tanks with "immigrants" and point them at the Channel Tunnel.

**CthuluIsSpy**

Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
India has a stronger military than us? India?? Thats...embarrassing.

Having a large population and being next to a country that hates you helps
Supposedly they have quite an impressive missile network.

The brits do have the larger navy though, better equipment and better training.
They also have a stronger strategic position; its hard to drive your tanks over an ocean.

Not if you man the tanks with "immigrants" and point them at the Channel Tunnel.

Its a narrow path. Mines love narrow paths

**Shadow Captain Edithae**

CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
India has a stronger military than us? India?? Thats...embarrassing.

Having a large population and being next to a country that hates you helps
Supposedly they have quite an impressive missile network.

The brits do have the larger navy though, better equipment and better training.
They also have a stronger strategic position; its hard to drive your tanks over an ocean.

Not if you man the tanks with "immigrants" and point them at the Channel Tunnel.

Its a narrow path. Mines love narrow paths

Human Rights laws are a hard counter to land mines.

**Mr Morden**

Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
India has a stronger military than us? India?? Thats...embarrassing.

We also give them foreign aid....................

**Shadow Captain Edithae**

Mr Morden wrote:
Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
India has a stronger military than us? India?? Thats...embarrassing.

We also give them foreign aid....................

To subsidize their nuclear weapons program...

**Experiment 626**

Mr Morden wrote:
Jihadin wrote:
Putin is beating Britain to "mopping" up in Syria. They're moving troops in and expanded their foot print to a city at their Naval Base there I heard recently

True but maybe the other nations in the actual region should do something about it - they have enough weapons supplied to them by all the major powers.

Also as much as we try to pretend otherwise - Britain is not a major military power and has not been for a long time - the Falklands was maybe our last gasp and we have done nothing but cut back on defence spending since then.............still gota keep paying politicans and bank bonuses somehow..........

Russia may well be worried about forces in Chechnya and ISIS joining up - as they seem to have similar ideas about how to interpret Islam ?

I don't think it's so much a fear of the various Chechnya rebel groups joining IS, so much as IS will simply come in and forcibly incorporate them into their genocide machine... IS has no qualms about taking out the leadership of supposedly 'allied' Islamic groups, and then simply absorbing the bulk of the group as a new branch or even a full on province of the Caliphate.

The Chechnya rebels don't go whole hog attacking Russia itself, because they know that doing so would mean their own demise. IS on the other hand actively wants an all-out death brawl since they're really nothing more than a psychotic end of days death cult.
In a hypothetical scenario, *IF* a Chechnya rebel group were to get their hands on a nuke, they would never actually use it. On the other hand, if IS got their hands on a nuke, they'd be racing to set it off in the most densely populated area they could get it to.

**Ensis Ferrae**

Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:

Human Rights laws are a hard counter to land mines.

Don't walk where there are mines!

Blame the Victim!!!

**CthuluIsSpy**

Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
India has a stronger military than us? India?? Thats...embarrassing.

Having a large population and being next to a country that hates you helps
Supposedly they have quite an impressive missile network.

The brits do have the larger navy though, better equipment and better training.
They also have a stronger strategic position; its hard to drive your tanks over an ocean.

Not if you man the tanks with "immigrants" and point them at the Channel Tunnel.

Its a narrow path. Mines love narrow paths

Human Rights laws are a hard counter to land mines.

Did I say mines? I meant...freedom plates.

**Mr. Burning**

CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
India has a stronger military than us? India?? Thats...embarrassing.

Having a large population and being next to a country that hates you helps
Supposedly they have quite an impressive missile network.

The brits do have the larger navy though, better equipment and better training.
They also have a stronger strategic position; its hard to drive your tanks over an ocean.

Not if you man the tanks with "immigrants" and point them at the Channel Tunnel.

Its a narrow path. Mines love narrow paths

Human Rights laws are a hard counter to land mines.

Did I say mines? I meant...freedom plates.

DONT TREAD ON ME!

**Shadow Captain Edithae**

Mr. Burning wrote:
DONT TREAD ON ME!

Are these land mines Canadian?

**Freakazoitt**

Germany and other western European powers need to work with Russia as well as the United States to solve the crisis in Syria, German Chancellor Angela Merkel said on Saturday.

http://uk.reuters.com/article/2015/09/12/uk-mideast-crisis-syria-germany-idUKKCN0RC0LO20150912

Oh, what the feth? The Syrian chaos becomes more complicated. Who will be enemy of Russia there? ISIL is obvous. FSA? But I think, USA and Europe support them. Al-Nursa Front? Kurds? I think, Kurds are ok gyus. But they are not allied with Asad, so... enemies? How Israel will react on that? Israel is Or new enemies (ISIL) are so worse, what old enemies can be forgiven (Alavites)?

And how Russia will do that? Bulgaria closed air corridor. USA wants to close air over Iraq. Anyway, it's too dangerous to fly over Iraq and Syrian ISIL-controlled air. Bulgaria, why you doing that.

**Ensis Ferrae**

If some of the various facebook posts I've recently seen are actually correct, I'm can see why Industrialized countries are extremely hesitant to take in refugees.

By this I mean police handing out bottles of water to migrants, but they take the water and throw it onto train tracks. Aid groups giving food, but the food vans get attacked, the food taken and then simply dumped on the ground.

As I said, I've only really seen these kinds of videos on FB, and don't particularly care enough to verify through other sources... BUT, if these things are true, it's really not a good situation for anyone.

**Shadow Captain Edithae**

Let 'em starve then.

**nels1031**

The "moderates" enter the battlefield...

And promptly fold faster than Superman on laundry day.

Pentagon-trained rebels in Syria are reported to have betrayed their American backers and handed their weapons over to al-Qaeda in Syria immediately after re-entering the country.

Fighters with Division 30, the “moderate” rebel division favoured by the United States, surrendered to the al-Qaeda-affiliated Jabhat al-Nusra, a raft of sources claimed on Monday night. Division 30 was the first faction whose fighters graduated from a US-led training programme in Turkey which aims to forge a force on the ground in Syria to fight against Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant (Isil). A statement on Twitter by a man calling himself Abu Fahd al-Tunisi, a member of al-Qaeda’s local affiliate Jabhat al-Nusra, read: "A strong slap for America... the new group from Division 30 that entered yesterday hands over all of its weapons to Jabhat al-Nusra after being granted safe passage. "They handed over a very large amount of ammunition and medium weaponry and a number of pick-ups."

Abu Khattab al-Maqdisi, who also purports to be a Jabhat al-Nusra member, added that Division 30's commander, Anas Ibrahim Obaid,had explained to Jabhat al-Nusra's leaders that he had tricked the coalition because he needed weapons. "He promised to issue a statement... repudiating Division 30, the coalition, and those who trained him," he tweeted. "And he also gave a large amount of weapons to Jabhat al-Nusra."

The Syrian Observatory for Human Rights (SOHR), a monitoring group, reported that seventy-five Division 30 fighters had crossed into Syria from Turkey early the day before with “12 four-wheel vehicles equipped with machine guns and ammunition”. US Central Command confirmed about 70 graduates of the Syria “train and equip” programme had re-entered Syria with their weapons and equipment and were operating as New Syrian Forces alongside Syrian Kurds, Sunni Arab and other anti-Isil forces.

The latest disaster, if true, will be the second to befall the programme. Last month, after the first group of fighters re-entered, the militia was attacked and routed by Jabhat al-Nusra, which stormed its headquarters and kidnapped a number of its members. At the weekend, the group’s chief of staff also resigned, saying the training programme was “not serious”. In the statement, Lieutenant Colonel Mohammad al-Dhaher complained of insufficient numbers of trainees and fighters, inadequate supplies, and even “a lack of accuracy and method in the selection of Division 30’s cadres”.

The latest developments have only added to the scorn heaped on the much-criticized $500 million (£320m) program, which aimed to forge a 5,400-strong force of “moderate” rebels to combat Isil. It has been hampered by problems almost from the outset, with rebels complaining of a laborious vetting process. The biggest point of contention is that they are only allowed to fight Isil, not the Assad regime, which is the principal enemy for most opposition groups.

Last Wednesday, General Lloyd Austin, head of US Central Command, shocked leaders in the US Senate's armed services committee when he said there were only handful of programme graduates still fighting inside Syria. "We're talking four or five," he said.

The silver lining is that it was Jabbat al Nusra that received some new kit rather than Islamic State, I guess.