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I don't claim he is not a terrorist, I just think his motivations (as he gives them) are race based, not Islamist.

By the way, seems he capped a guy a few days earlier. Cops put out his picture as a suspect and then he pulled this stunt.

Ok, gotcha now.

So he really is the west coast version of the Atlanta church shooter.

 Frazzled wrote:

AS noted, I take him at his word. He's a terrorist, just like the Atlanta church guy is a terrorist.

But this isn't a generic "Terrorist incident" thread, this is a thread about ISIS. And from what Jake is saying, his radicalism is more likely to be born from the militant black power/nation of islam kind than from ISIS.

ISIS does not have a monopoly on islamic terror.

Well if they try hard, and get good grades in school, one day they could.

 jhe90 wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:

 CptJake wrote:

 jhe90 wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:

 CptJake wrote:
That one is looking more racist inspired to me, though the crap bag perp does seem to use Islam to channel his racism. Typical prison conversion.

When someone shouts Allah Akhbar while killing a bunch of people, I take him at his word.

That's pretty solid evidence.

There is plenty of evidence (videos, social media posts and so on) from the guy showing he is a big time racist/anti-white militant as well. His brand of Islam is the type adopted/adapted by black militants and spread through the prison system.

AS noted, I take him at his word. He's a terrorist, just like the Atlanta church guy is a terrorist.

The only difference is "Islamic" "black power/white power" or any above preceeding word.
Still tried to achieve aims by violence and fear.

So did the Prophet Mohammad...

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:

 jhe90 wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:

 CptJake wrote:

 jhe90 wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:

 CptJake wrote:
That one is looking more racist inspired to me, though the crap bag perp does seem to use Islam to channel his racism. Typical prison conversion.

When someone shouts Allah Akhbar while killing a bunch of people, I take him at his word.

That's pretty solid evidence.

There is plenty of evidence (videos, social media posts and so on) from the guy showing he is a big time racist/anti-white militant as well. His brand of Islam is the type adopted/adapted by black militants and spread through the prison system.

AS noted, I take him at his word. He's a terrorist, just like the Atlanta church guy is a terrorist.

The only difference is "Islamic" "black power/white power" or any above preceeding word.
Still tried to achieve aims by violence and fear.

So did the Prophet Mohammad...

So did every nation to ever use force, ever. What's your point?

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:
So did every nation to ever use force, ever. What's your point?

To refute the argument that that it has nothing to do with Islam. The very founder of Islam himself was a violent Warlord.

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:
So did every nation to ever use force, ever. What's your point?

To refute the argument that that it has nothing to do with Islam. The very founder of Islam himself was a violent Warlord.

You just ignored half my post. Violence is hardly unique to Mohammed or Islam.

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:
So did every nation to ever use force, ever. What's your point?

To refute the argument that that it has nothing to do with Islam. The very founder of Islam himself was a violent Warlord.

You just ignored half my post. Violence is hardly unique to Mohammed or Islam.

When did I ever say its unique to Islam?

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:
So did every nation to ever use force, ever. What's your point?

To refute the argument that that it has nothing to do with Islam. The very founder of Islam himself was a violent Warlord.

You just ignored half my post. Violence is hardly unique to Mohammed or Islam.

When did I ever say its unique to Islam?

If it's not unique to Islam, pointing out that Mohammed was a warlord is pointless and doesn't actually tell us anything. You're essentially claiming a causal relationship without any proof of causation.

http://news.sky.com/story/french-police-officer-killed-by-gunman-in-paris-terror-attack-10844372

Looks like another attack in France. One cop dead, one wounded. Attacker dead.

At least as of initial reporting...

 CptJake wrote:
http://news.sky.com/story/french-police-officer-killed-by-gunman-in-paris-terror-attack-10844372

Looks like another attack in France. One cop dead, one wounded. Attacker dead.

At least as of initial reporting...

I saw that... Great.

Report wad a ambush on cops armed with a AK47 or some kind of rifle.

 CptJake wrote:
http://news.sky.com/story/french-police-officer-killed-by-gunman-in-paris-terror-attack-10844372

Looks like another attack in France. One cop dead, one wounded. Attacker dead.

At least as of initial reporting...

Well that's the French election decided then...

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:

 CptJake wrote:
http://news.sky.com/story/french-police-officer-killed-by-gunman-in-paris-terror-attack-10844372

Looks like another attack in France. One cop dead, one wounded. Attacker dead.

At least as of initial reporting...

Well that's the French election decided then...

Sadly knowing these incidents too well now. :(
We should know the extremists behind it inside of 24hours probs.

It could be the threat title holder.
Or maybe another extremist "lone wolf"

France has been suffering hard these last few years. I hope they can find a way to rectify it.

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:

 CptJake wrote:
http://news.sky.com/story/french-police-officer-killed-by-gunman-in-paris-terror-attack-10844372

Looks like another attack in France. One cop dead, one wounded. Attacker dead.

At least as of initial reporting...

Well that's the French election decided then...

Not necessarily. Remember people thought the murder of Jo Cox by a right supremacist would swing the vote on Brexit but it didn't. Heaven help France if they do decide to go with Le Pen though.

 Whirlwind wrote:

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:

 CptJake wrote:
http://news.sky.com/story/french-police-officer-killed-by-gunman-in-paris-terror-attack-10844372

Looks like another attack in France. One cop dead, one wounded. Attacker dead.

At least as of initial reporting...

Well that's the French election decided then...

Not necessarily. Remember people thought the murder of Jo Cox by a right supremacist would swing the vote on Brexit but it didn't. Heaven help France if they do decide to go with Le Pen though.

True but this one has the added stigma of being potential "Islamic" and that plus the fact France has had so many may give it more momentum in regards to that as it looks like yet another attack.

Aye that would kinda kill the EU.... Be a pretty solid blow given France are high on pecking order.

We haven't had a long and frequent series of Right Wing terror attacks across Europe almost at a rate of once per month.

We have however had a long and frequent series of Islamic terror attacks across Europe almost at a rate of once per month.


The fact is people simply aren't afraid of Right Wing terrorism like they are of Islamic terrorism, because its much rarer by an order of magnitude. We don't lose any sleep over it. People do however wonder how many weeks, nay, days, it will be until the next Muslim decides to run someone over or detonate a bomb or go on a stabbing spree on the tube.

Its much easier to shrug your shoulders, keep calm and carry on without changing your political stances or voting intentions over something which happens not even once in a blue moon... but something which happens almost every week?

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
We haven't had a long and frequent series of Right Wing terror attacks across Europe almost at a rate of once per month.

We have however had a long and frequent series of Islamic terror attacks across Europe almost at a rate of once per month.


The fact is people simply aren't afraid of Right Wing terrorism like they are of Islamic terrorism, because its much rarer by an order of magnitude. We don't lose any sleep over it. People do however wonder how many weeks, nay, days, it will be until the next Muslim decides to run someone over or detonate a bomb or go on a stabbing spree on the tube.

Its much easier to shrug your shoulders, keep calm and carry on without changing your political stances or voting intentions over something which happens not even once in a blue moon... but something which happens almost every week?

This si true.

We are going maybe if on right wing terror. It's pretty rare.

We are sat expecting thr next Islamic linked attacked as when will it happen.

There's been a obvious change, you seen the soldiers out across France, UK has alot more armed police and semi military esque units. The climate has changed. Police changed to meet it.

Lets put it this way....those soldiers aren't patrolling the streets to stop 'fascists', are they?

Wait, no...thats not actually true....they're there because of Islamo-fascism.

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
Lets put it this way....those soldiers aren't patrolling the streets to stop 'fascists', are they?

Wait, no...thats not actually true....they're there because of Islamo-fascism.

Or the ram proof barriers installed at Eifle tower, thr yellow steel and concrete on London.
The ram proof steel barriers planned for changing of the guard.

Thr huge decrotive planters and statues buildings have.
There all anti ram protection..

Umm not seen a right wing car ramming attack?

If you turn off your BS "news" sources you won't be afraid of any kind of terrorism, no matter who may propagate it. You are more likely to be killed by lightning, or bees, or drowning in a pool.

Terrorism is way, way down on the list of things to live in mortal fear of.

 jhe90 wrote:

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
Lets put it this way....those soldiers aren't patrolling the streets to stop 'fascists', are they?

Wait, no...thats not actually true....they're there because of Islamo-fascism.

Or the ram proof barriers installed at Eifle tower, thr yellow steel and concrete on London.
The ram proof steel barriers planned for changing of the guard.

Thr huge decrotive planters and statues buildings have.
There all anti ram protection..

Umm not seen a right wing car ramming attack?

Given those started going up in the US right after the OKC bombing...

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
We haven't had a long and frequent series of Right Wing terror attacks across Europe almost at a rate of once per month.

That's because Europe constantly hunts down right wing extremist. Europe will never give right wing extremism the chance to grow to the same level of Islamic terrorism.

Do any of you actually have any proof that right-wing terrorism is rare, or are you just assuming?

 jhe90 wrote:


Thr huge decrotive planters and statues buildings have.
There all anti ram protection..

Umm not seen a right wing car ramming attack?

Not quite. The big decorative planters and the like aren't to prevent/stop ramming (though it is a side-effect of their installation), but rather they are/have been developed to stop car bombs. The less decorative posts and some other recent installations are to prevent ramming type attacks, but these things have been in planning for so long that you need to look further back than extremist religious terrorism of the 21st century.

Some people on these boards are probably undoubtedly old enough to remember The Troubles, which is actually much more what so much of the barrier protection is designed to prevent/inhibit.

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:
Do any of you actually have any proof that right-wing terrorism is rare, or are you just assuming?

I think the main difference is that ISIS (and before that Al Qaeda, though they are still around) have drawn a lot of disparate groups under one banner, whereas the far-right groups are disjointed and generally interested in their own country (and hence they aren't co-ordinated). On top of this European countries are well aware of what happens when countries drift too far right and there is still a lot of opposition to that type of thinking even if that resistance currently appears to be softening because of the current issues the world faces. However there are plenty of individual far right individuals that have taken action, it's just not in the same co-ordinated way as ISIS. I think a bigger issue for the EU and US is that an increasingly harder right wing is seeping into the governments in response to current world issues.

We should not forget that this is what the terrorists want. Increasingly hard right wing rhetoric alienates more people that may then fall in with ISIS because of the way the world treats them. Increasingly hard right governments that reduce aid funding and so on or fail to support third world countries then increases the antagonist view of the west and the cycle repeats. This is where a large part of the risk lies with things like Brexit, Le Pen, Trump etc and countries becoming more nationalistic.

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
Lets put it this way....those soldiers aren't patrolling the streets to stop 'fascists', are they?

Wait, no...thats not actually true....they're there because of Islamo-fascism.

Yes indeed. Nothing will focus the electoral mind like guys with machine guns walking around.

Why not make a Right Wing Terror thread for all your theoretical and philosophical musings and keep this one from going off topic and getting locked?

And use the France Election thread for musings about that event for the same reasons?

 CptJake wrote:
Why not make a Right Wing Terror thread for all your theoretical and philosophical musings and keep this one from going off topic and getting locked?

And use the France Election thread for musings about that event for the same reasons?

Hey, you're the one who started the discussion here about the French attack.