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2015/12/08 16:19:46
Subject: The Gamergate, Scandal, Conspiracy, and Journalism Corruption
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2014/09/11 23:53:19
Subject: The Gamergate, Scandal, Conspiracy, and Journalism Corruption
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Hallowed Canoness
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Wow. So not only did Quinn harass a website's worth of depressed people in the name of publicity, she might be collecting donations for research falsely? That's pretty low for any one. Still don't think we should be focusing ANY attention from GamerGate on her though.
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Lemme at least leave a good hoof beat they'll remember loud and long
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2014/09/11 23:56:23
Subject: The Gamergate, Scandal, Conspiracy, and Journalism Corruption
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 KalashnikovMarine wrote:Wow. So not only did Quinn harass a website's worth of depressed people in the name of publicity, she might be collecting donations for research falsely? That's pretty low for any one. Still don't think we should be focusing ANY attention from GamerGate on her though.
Though I would agree, it sort of shows the hipocripsy of the entire situation.
But if you can supplement more information you can post more information on the matter 
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2014/09/12 00:35:29
Subject: The Gamergate, Scandal, Conspiracy, and Journalism Corruption
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Be aware, that if this thread devolves in a similar way to last thread, it'll be locked immediately and there'll be no one starting a new thread on it.
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I wish I had time for all the game systems I own, let alone want to own... |
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2014/09/12 01:34:06
Subject: The Gamergate, Scandal, Conspiracy, and Journalism Corruption
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Has anyone been able to corroborate the lack of death threats made to Anita? I was trying to track it down, but couldn't
I think that's pretty big to show, if not corruption, at least the lack of journalistic integrity to fact check. Which could be just as damming as corruption.
http://www.staresattheworld.com/2014/09/anita-sarkeesian-fabricate-story-contacting-authorities/
Hrmm... apparently more information is available... someone called the SFPD asking about Anita's claims of online harassment. From the video and the transcript, Anita never filed a police report with the local authorities. If that's the case, then than means she at least filed it with the wrong authorities, or at worse, fabricated the entire the thing and NO ONE bothered to fact check it. If they willingly ignored the fact checking aspect of their jobs it would lend itself to collision between Anita and gaming journalism.
This would ruin the entire other side of the argument as that is what drove many of the articles.
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2014/09/12 01:39:14
Subject: The Gamergate, Scandal, Conspiracy, and Journalism Corruption
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 Alfndrate wrote:Has anyone been able to corroborate the lack of death threats made to Anita? I was trying to track it down, but couldn't
I think that's pretty big to show, if not corruption, at least the lack of journalistic integrity to fact check. Which could be just as damming as corruption.
I haven't found any only what she has posted.
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2014/09/12 01:45:35
Subject: The Gamergate, Scandal, Conspiracy, and Journalism Corruption
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My edit contains more info lol
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2014/09/12 01:58:44
Subject: The Gamergate, Scandal, Conspiracy, and Journalism Corruption
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Legendary Master of the Chapter
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Just read that.
It is interesting if she fabricated the information, I wonder if that could be filed underneath certain laws O.o
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2014/09/12 02:11:21
Subject: The Gamergate, Scandal, Conspiracy, and Journalism Corruption
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Just read that.
It is interesting if she fabricated the information, I wonder if that could be filed underneath certain laws O.o
Cali does have some strong cyber crime laws against sending death threats. I'm not sure if it matters if you sent them to yourself, just like if you fake a kidnapping of yourself you tend to get arrested anyways.
The only real question would be who could get the police to act on it, I'm not sure if "a concerned citizen" from the internet would be suffice. It could be, I don't really know.
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2014/09/12 02:43:51
Subject: The Gamergate, Scandal, Conspiracy, and Journalism Corruption
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Deadly Dark Eldar Warrior
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Asherian Command wrote: Alfndrate wrote:Has anyone been able to corroborate the lack of death threats made to Anita? I was trying to track it down, but couldn't
I think that's pretty big to show, if not corruption, at least the lack of journalistic integrity to fact check. Which could be just as damming as corruption.
I haven't found any only what she has posted.
Even more so that she posted that "gross stuff" (I don't even like the words) on her twitter claiming it was a threat and she contacted the police. With her back peddling that means she posted it her self and blamed gamers.
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2014/09/12 03:12:39
Subject: The Gamergate, Scandal, Conspiracy, and Journalism Corruption
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 Currently there is a ton of news going around. Mainly about how Zoey Quinn has not donated to the websites she said she was donating to. Apparently its known she has not established contact with them.   Oh dear that made me laugh really hard. Also 4chan after recent events decided to donate to the affected charities, most notable American Foundation of Suicide Prevention. https://www.crowdrise.com/nshgamers/fundraiser/
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2014/09/12 03:56:06
Subject: The Gamergate, Scandal, Conspiracy, and Journalism Corruption
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The Conquerer
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Asherian Command wrote:
Just read that.
It is interesting if she fabricated the information, I wonder if that could be filed underneath certain laws O.o
Well if she fabricated Death Threats coming from specific people they might be able to sue for defamation or something.
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2014/09/12 03:58:52
Subject: Re:The Gamergate, Scandal, Conspiracy, and Journalism Corruption
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Death-Dealing Devastator
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For those of us too lazy to trawl through Twitter, has either Ms. Sarkeesian or Ms. Quinn responded to the allegations against them?
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2014/09/12 04:00:42
Subject: The Gamergate, Scandal, Conspiracy, and Journalism Corruption
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Alfndrate wrote:Has anyone been able to corroborate the lack of death threats made to Anita?
Do we actually need to be skeptical about that? I mean, death threats aren't exactly rare in this context. A brief look around the internet will pretty clearly show that being a woman, especially a woman posting unpopular opinions, online almost guarantees that you'll get some death threats and verbal abuse. Even if the victim isn't a saint I don't see any reason to believe that this is an incredibly rare exception to the general trend.
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There is no such thing as a hobby without politics. "Leave politics at the door" is itself a political statement, an endorsement of the status quo and an attempt to silence dissenting voices. |
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2014/09/12 04:04:09
Subject: Re:The Gamergate, Scandal, Conspiracy, and Journalism Corruption
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 Valion wrote:For those of us too lazy to trawl through Twitter, has either Ms. Sarkeesian or Ms. Quinn responded to the allegations against them?
Currently they are decrying one of the journalists about it and bringing up articles of the guys past. And the Journalist thus far has admitted to it openly and said many allegations. I can tell you he is quite bloody honest. But Death threats are sent every day. I even recieve them from time to time. And I don't talk about it. I just flag it and send it an administrator to deal with. (not from this site, everyone is very kind here) Hence why I am staying here quite often ^.^ The fact remains is that there is a lot of stuff going on. I asked one of the major figure heads (Vivan James Official Account) and they weren't answering me but they posted a whole list of gamergate articles which I have put on the main post. I have been trying to contact dan from extra credits for a bit. Asking him his thoughts on #notyourshield. Though Admittedly there has been no response when ever I ask questions. Also 4chan and gamers have raised 1400$ for Suicide prevention hotline O.o https://www.crowdrise.com/nshgamers/fundraiser/loping
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2014/09/12 04:13:39
Subject: Re:The Gamergate, Scandal, Conspiracy, and Journalism Corruption
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1) Have the charities in question confirmed officially that they have not received donations from Ms. Quinn? I'm not sure I put much stock in a badly-written Facebook post.
2) Why are we certain that Ms. Sarkeesian falls under San Francisco Police Department jurisdiction and not any of the other law enforcement agencies in the bay area?
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2014/09/12 04:22:58
Subject: Re:The Gamergate, Scandal, Conspiracy, and Journalism Corruption
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Valion wrote:1) Have the charities in question confirmed officially that they have not received donations from Ms. Quinn? I'm not sure I put much stock in a badly-written Facebook post.
And have we confirmed that the donations weren't going to be made? After all, the game was released on Steam fairly recently, so it could be nothing more than waiting until a decent chunk of money arrives to donate it all at once instead of submitting smaller donations more frequently. And "we haven't negotiated anything" is hardly convincing when donating to a charity doesn't require making special deals with them in advance. All you have to do is send a payment and the first time they'll know about it is when the money arrives in their account.
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2014/09/12 04:29:01
Subject: The Gamergate, Scandal, Conspiracy, and Journalism Corruption
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Versteckt in den Schatten deines Geistes.
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Depression Quest has been around for quite some time.
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2014/09/12 04:30:06
Subject: Re:The Gamergate, Scandal, Conspiracy, and Journalism Corruption
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My understanding was that the donations go through her website, not through Steam, as the game is free on Steam and to the best of my knowledge Steam doesn't allow you to voluntarily overpay.
I have no trouble at all believing that a pair of professional victims are capable of lying, but the evidence in both circumstances for these specific cases seems pretty thin.
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I've done a little more research on this, and near as I can tell, the following is the case:
Two separate journalists have confirmed with the SFPD that Anita Sarkeesian did not report any of the harassment she claims to have received to them at any point during August or September. They do seem as though they would be the ones with jurisdiction, as they appear to be familiar with her from similar reports that she has in fact made from March of this year. One of the reporters has filed a FOIA request with the FBI to see if she simply bypassed local police and went federal.
iFred was unable to confirm any donations made from Ms. Quinn, though Ms. Quinn has counter-claimed that she didn't make the donations under her company name (if she has one) or the name or her game, but in her own individual name. The donations total a little under $700 dating from sometime in 2013 until August 20th. The other charity hasn't said one way or the other, but Ms. Quinn reports giving them a little under $1000 in total.
Polygon has reportedly lost a sponsor in the form of Unilever. Unilever's a huge multinational, so it seems that enough complaints were made for them to just decide to stop the pittance they were paying for advertisements on the site. A small victory, but a victory nonetheless.
The reporter who seems to be doing most of the Anita Sarkeesian harassment claim digging is, unfortunately, a guy with Breitbart. I'm sympathetic to Breitbart's political views, but I'd be loathe to see gaming become another culture warrior battleground. That said, it seems the first shots are already long since fired.
The CEO and co-founder of the Escapist is apparently in the process of doing a story on this whole thing related to blackballing within the developer community due to divergent (non-progressive) political views, interviewing confirmed developers anonymously. Looks pretty interesting so far.
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2014/09/12 11:35:39
Subject: Re:The Gamergate, Scandal, Conspiracy, and Journalism Corruption
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 Peregrine wrote: Valion wrote:1) Have the charities in question confirmed officially that they have not received donations from Ms. Quinn? I'm not sure I put much stock in a badly-written Facebook post.
And have we confirmed that the donations weren't going to be made? After all, the game was released on Steam fairly recently, so it could be nothing more than waiting until a decent chunk of money arrives to donate it all at once instead of submitting smaller donations more frequently. And "we haven't negotiated anything" is hardly convincing when donating to a charity doesn't require making special deals with them in advance. All you have to do is send a payment and the first time they'll know about it is when the money arrives in their account.
And She has been accepting money to her personal paypal for Rebel game jam, which hasn't been updated, or even started, since march. Automatically Appended Next Post: Valion wrote:My understanding was that the donations go through her website, not through Steam, as the game is free on Steam and to the best of my knowledge Steam doesn't allow you to voluntarily overpay.
I have no trouble at all believing that a pair of professional victims are capable of lying, but the evidence in both circumstances for these specific cases seems pretty thin.
And Anita already back peddled on Twitter saying she "misspoke" when it came to contacting the police.
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2014/09/12 11:44:07
Subject: The Gamergate, Scandal, Conspiracy, and Journalism Corruption
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Peregrine wrote: Alfndrate wrote:Has anyone been able to corroborate the lack of death threats made to Anita?
Do we actually need to be skeptical about that? I mean, death threats aren't exactly rare in this context. A brief look around the internet will pretty clearly show that being a woman, especially a woman posting unpopular opinions, online almost guarantees that you'll get some death threats and verbal abuse. Even if the victim isn't a saint I don't see any reason to believe that this is an incredibly rare exception to the general trend.
Miss Sarkeesian is accustomed to death threats unfortunately , but the death threats that caused the alleged police report were beyond acceptable. If it comes out that she fabricated the death threats, then it gives credence to the idea that a small group of influential people within gaming journalism have been manipulating the anti-gamer narrative that spawned these "gamers are over" articles that were flying around. Pull the mysogny and feminism out of GamerGate and youre left with the claims that gaming journalism is corrupt. A narrative such as this (I.e. a well known cultural critic is being aggressively harassed due to her views on pop culture medium) would lose large amounts of credibility because if she fabricated this attack, who's to say she hasn't fabricated others?
While death threats against anyone are always inappropriate and unwarranted, but lying and fabricating death threats is just as inappropriate and unwarranted. Automatically Appended Next Post: Crow, I know we can't post twitter posts, but I'm not seeing back peddling on Anita's twitter
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2014/09/12 11:56:31
Subject: Re:The Gamergate, Scandal, Conspiracy, and Journalism Corruption
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Deadly Dark Eldar Warrior
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Valion wrote:For those of us too lazy to trawl through Twitter, has either Ms. Sarkeesian or Ms. Quinn responded to the allegations against them?
Quinn responded with "Wowwww an MRA right wing website journo just contacted me with my phone number obtained through my doxxing about more baseless bs. Lol no."
Oh this happened:
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Crow, I know we can't post twitter posts, but I'm not seeing back peddling on Anita's twitter
She is known for deleting stuff, it was there yesterday but it seems she has wiped it out preferring to stay silent instead. Unlike Zoe who has eaten both feet and asking for more, her twitter supporters are just as bat gak crazy ignorant as she is.
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2014/09/12 12:19:18
Subject: Re:The Gamergate, Scandal, Conspiracy, and Journalism Corruption
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 Mechanical Crow wrote: Valion wrote:For those of us too lazy to trawl through Twitter, has either Ms. Sarkeesian or Ms. Quinn responded to the allegations against them?
Quinn responded with "Wowwww an MRA right wing website journo just contacted me with my phone number obtained through my doxxing about more baseless bs. Lol no." Oh this happened: Automatically Appended Next Post: Alfndrate wrote: Automatically Appended Next Post: Crow, I know we can't post twitter posts, but I'm not seeing back peddling on Anita's twitter
She is known for deleting stuff, it was there yesterday but it seems she has wiped it out preferring to stay silent instead. Unlike Zoe who has eaten both feet and asking for more, her twitter supporters are just as bat gak crazy ignorant as she is.
Its funny because He said he went to her contact page if I remember correctly XD Also There are a few articles jumping up in support of zoe quinn and not doing any fact checking. The Guardian and Vice have as well. Also apparently best buy, and newegg have removed advertising from kotatu and polygon. Also:http://apgnation.com/archives/2014/09/07/6835/crossing-the-line-the-changing-face-of-gaming-journalism-and-online-communities
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2014/09/12 12:37:58
Subject: Re:The Gamergate, Scandal, Conspiracy, and Journalism Corruption
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Not fact checking and SJWs goes hand in hand. And even when proven wrong they just muddy the point until it fits their narrative.
I have the email for the best buy one as well.
In other news Zoe Posted this as evidence:
Problem is, that is not iFreds paypal, I just donated to make sure. That's to some mental health center in newyork.
Then there is this:
Which is weird because link 2 health inc said:
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2014/09/12 13:03:41
Subject: The Gamergate, Scandal, Conspiracy, and Journalism Corruption
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2014/09/12 13:15:38
Subject: The Gamergate, Scandal, Conspiracy, and Journalism Corruption
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Asherian Command wrote:http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/jimquisition/9711-On-Game-Journalism-Corruption
Interesting.
And uses Leigh Alexander as a source, the same Leigh Alexander that has been slagging gamers this entire time and wrote one of the "gamers are dead" articles.
Jesus, and Erik Kain, the same guy who glossed over all the issues.
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2014/09/12 13:19:05
Subject: The Gamergate, Scandal, Conspiracy, and Journalism Corruption
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Mechanical Crow wrote: Asherian Command wrote:http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/jimquisition/9711-On-Game-Journalism-Corruption Interesting.
And uses Leigh Alexander as a source, the same Leigh Alexander that has been slagging gamers this entire time and wrote one of the "gamers are dead" articles. Jesus, and Erik Kain, the same guy who glossed over all the issues.
Hahahaha. Well baby steps. I don't think he is aware of that. I would necessarily call him a journalist, more of a blogger. Also I think people like Leigh Alexander should be kicked out of the industry. She has proven she has the emotional level of a child.. Especially what has been happening here. Or she should formulate an official apology to her readers for acting the way she did.
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2014/09/12 13:29:02
Subject: The Gamergate, Scandal, Conspiracy, and Journalism Corruption
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More so Erik Kains article mentions Jim Stirlings view on journalists. Its a complete jerk that is in a circle.
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2014/09/12 13:34:55
Subject: The Gamergate, Scandal, Conspiracy, and Journalism Corruption
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Mechanical Crow wrote:More so Erik Kains article mentions Jim Stirlings view on journalists. Its a complete jerk that is in a circle.
But should we really focus on that?
I mean he said where he got his sources.
And that is a step in the right direction.
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2014/09/12 13:37:01
Subject: The Gamergate, Scandal, Conspiracy, and Journalism Corruption
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Asherian Command wrote: Mechanical Crow wrote:More so Erik Kains article mentions Jim Stirlings view on journalists. Its a complete jerk that is in a circle.
But should we really focus on that?
I mean he said where he got his sources.
And that is a step in the right direction.
True, the transparency is nice, but its still Sideways.
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