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 Peregrine wrote:

 Asherian Command wrote:
Its been dominated by men for a very long time. Its not to say that woman have not be involved in it. But it has be dominated mostly by men.

Yes, and we should consider that a problem and ask ourselves why women are such a minority. We shouldn't just declare "well, this is a guy thing" and accept a policy that sexist attitudes are ok as long as they keep the "core market" happy.

you just don't have to have a stance saying. "Kill all the males because all men are bad and evil."

Nobody is saying anything even remotely close to this.

Because women have a different game preferential, they are mostly in the casual games market with the likes of Bejeweled and such, while there are some different as a result it has slowly skewed in a manner so that the market has gone towards males.

You wouldn't exactly show top designer high heels towards a male market for example, unless suddenly you are now going to recommend that there should be.

 Peregrine wrote:

 Asherian Command wrote:
Its been dominated by men for a very long time. Its not to say that woman have not be involved in it. But it has be dominated mostly by men.

Yes, and we should consider that a problem and ask ourselves why women are such a minority. We shouldn't just declare "well, this is a guy thing" and accept a policy that sexist attitudes are ok as long as they keep the "core market" happy.

you just don't have to have a stance saying. "Kill all the males because all men are bad and evil."

Nobody is saying anything even remotely close to this.

I don't think thats what I am saying and you have taken me out of context.

Read the whole thing.

I said it is time to mature, and it will mature as time goes on.

And about wanting males to die, they want the gamers to not be the target audience. They think gamers are dead and attack us alot because we play video games. And call us sexist pigs.

They want the male run industry to die.

Which funnily enough the culture is multi-cultured based.

Stop while you're ahead this is already being discussed in the other thread and doesn't have much to do with #gamergate.

Peregrine, just watch this again:



You're wrong. just let it go.

 Mechanical Crow wrote:
Stop while you're ahead this is already being discussed in the other thread and doesn't have much to do with #gamergate.

Good point!

But it is a very similar issue sadly :/

They walk a very fine line.

 Asherian Command wrote:

 Mechanical Crow wrote:
Stop while you're ahead this is already being discussed in the other thread and doesn't have much to do with #gamergate.

Good point!

But it is a very similar issue sadly :/

They walk a very fine line.

It is, but it is very easy to fall into the circular arguments that just get back to call us all misogynists again. Its really all they are interested in it seems. Text book projection, and cognitive dissonance.

 Mechanical Crow wrote:

 Asherian Command wrote:

 Mechanical Crow wrote:
Stop while you're ahead this is already being discussed in the other thread and doesn't have much to do with #gamergate.

Good point!

But it is a very similar issue sadly :/

They walk a very fine line.

It is, but it is very easy to fall into the circular arguments that just get back to call us all misogynists again. Its really all they are interested in it seems. Text book projection, and cognitive dissonance.

Damn it you are right.

But i think its interesting.

But I think gamergate is winding down as the media starts to listen more and more on the issue.

 Asherian Command wrote:


Damn it you are right.

But i think its interesting.

But I think gamergate is winding down as the media starts to listen more and more on the issue.

I think its more that the media articles are being used against them, like the "gamers are dread" thing and how that was connected to silverstring media (which they admit on their website they put forward). Its that all sorts of things are being uncovered and the more that they say the more people dig and the more that is being found.

Silence is equivalent of hiding under your parents coats and hoping it all blows over. Kotaku has been banning people left right and center still on their facebook that say anything about this.

It seems we are waiting for the next event. Silverstring is probably hard at work. It seems though that they are really trying to combat the Sarkeesian effect Doct (articles being presented by silver string shows corruption as it is bias news and helping their friends).

I agree. the Silverstring media thing is quite interesting bit in itself.

It has a lot of connections which seem out of place.

And then when you see the members you basically roll your eyes and think. "Well then."

And then you see their sources and what they talk about. And it gets weirder and weirder.




Though I disagree with thunderf00t having him suspended I think was not the right path for antia.

Ha, was about to post that. Totally forgot to mention that a few days ago when they knocked out his twitter.

Yeah I found thunderf00t pretty reasonable, I'm not a big fan of internetaristocrat but I'm surpised thunderf00t's twitter was suspended, that's unfortunate.


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 Mechanical Crow wrote:
Stop while you're ahead this is already being discussed in the other thread and doesn't have much to do with #gamergate.

Peregrine, just watch this again:



You're wrong. just let it go.

That was surprisingly fair and I enjoyed it.

 Crablezworth wrote:
Yeah I found thunderf00t pretty reasonable, I'm not a big fan of internetaristocrat but I'm surpised thunderf00t's twitter was suspended, that's unfortunate.

Internet Aristocrat has certain issues that just make it sound sort of rude and not as well meaning as Mundane Matt but the three of them have been quite vocal.
But matt is taking a breaking because he is exhausted and on vacation.

Which honestly I am too. Might take a "Me" Day for a bit.

Found this too, think it was Internet Aristocrat who retweeted it but don't quote me on it:
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Hollywood/2014/09/15/The-GamerGate-movement-is-making-terrific-progress-don-t-stop-now

 Asherian Command wrote:
I think the best one is the quote

"Male gamers seem to prefer male action heroes and sexy female characters. Could that be because they are... male!?""

I think we can all laugh at that and agree. Even the die hard gamer knows that my guilty pleasures are to have a sexy female protagonists.

Am I somehow not-male or something ?

 Asherian Command wrote:

 Mechanical Crow wrote:
Which is apart of escapism fantasy. That's why games and comics and most of nerd culture exists.

Yep because the rest of society thinks we are crazy sex crazed buffons, yet forget we are more inward expressing, while they are not so fortunate.

The rest of society never seemed like it thought I was a sex-crazed buffoon for playing video games.

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

 Asherian Command wrote:
I think the best one is the quote

"Male gamers seem to prefer male action heroes and sexy female characters. Could that be because they are... male!?""

I think we can all laugh at that and agree. Even the die hard gamer knows that my guilty pleasures are to have a sexy female protagonists.

Am I somehow not-male or something ?

 Asherian Command wrote:

 Mechanical Crow wrote:
Which is apart of escapism fantasy. That's why games and comics and most of nerd culture exists.

Yep because the rest of society thinks we are crazy sex crazed buffons, yet forget we are more inward expressing, while they are not so fortunate.

The rest of society never seemed like it thought I was a sex-crazed buffoon for playing video games.

Wow where have you been?

My response.

Did you even watch the show? (http://www.imdb.com/video/screenplay/vi2608857625/))

What the hell?

Aristocrat has the Bioware problem - bad endings. He makes very good and valid points...and then utterly loses himself in bland insults.

 Sigvatr wrote:
Aristocrat has the Bioware problem - bad endings. He makes very good and valid points...and then utterly loses himself in bland insults.

Basically. I have seen him do that quite often.

How to fight the journalists. stop clicking on the Zoe Quinn stuff from the untrusted journalists.

Zoe's ego must be massive, as the only person who keeps trying to bring Zoe up is... Zoe. She just wrote a Cracked article FFS.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Zoe's ego must be massive, as the only person who keeps trying to bring Zoe up is... Zoe. She just wrote a Cracked article FFS.

It's almost like she is backed by a PR company

 Mechanical Crow wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Zoe's ego must be massive, as the only person who keeps trying to bring Zoe up is... Zoe. She just wrote a Cracked article FFS.

It's almost like she is backed by a PR company

Or she is just a jerk and loves the attention hogging.

Her twitter is just down right hypocritical.

Don't know the full story here Im still researching, but he was either a Dev or Journo that was bullied out by the propaganda squad.

EDIT: He is both a journalist and a dev. I'll keep digging for info.

So, I've only been on the outskirts of this entire thing, but what is "GamersGate" exactly, now?

Is it shining a light on "sexism"? Is it rooting out social injustice in actual game development? Is it media bias and/or tarnished credibility due to collusion or coercion?

To someone who's spent more time just playing the "boops" and the "beeps" versus being on reddit for this, it just seems like something amorphous and shapeless. Like the video Mechanical Crow posted, I have no idea why the man is upset. Is it because he's always been subjugated by his peers for standing up for women or is it about standing out against "scratch for scores" style reviews and articles?

 TheKbob wrote:
So, I've only been on the outskirts of this entire thing, but what is "GamersGate" exactly, now?

Is it shining a light on "sexism"? Is it rooting out social injustice in actual game development? Is it media bias and/or tarnished credibility due to collusion or coercion?

To someone who's spent more time just playing the "boops" and the "beeps" versus being on reddit for this, it just seems like something amorphous and shapeless. Like the video Mechanical Crow posted, I have no idea why the man is upset. Is it because he's always been subjugated by his peers for standing up for women or is it about standing out against "scratch for scores" style reviews and articles?

IT is about media bias and its corruption.

 Asherian Command wrote:

IT is about media bias and its corruption.

Weird. Seems like there's much bigger fish to fry over media bias and corruption than video game journalists.

 TheKbob wrote:

 Asherian Command wrote:

IT is about media bias and its corruption.

Weird. Seems like there's much bigger fish to fry over media bias and corruption than video game journalists.

Read the thread.

We are keeping it central. We can't descend into multiple things.

Also kotaku write a semi-funny article. (IN that they ram against the video from feminist thinker)
https://archive.today/BQbD7

Do not under any circumstances visit kotaku, do not feed them their money. Starve the beast and it will work.

That goes to Polygon? Not that I got to Kotaku or the Gawker sites (maybe Lifehacker or Deadspin for Foodpsin...).

I more meant, you know, the media making science issues into debate or covering stupid stuff, like what celebrity ate what for breakfast, versus world events?

 TheKbob wrote:
That goes to Polygon? Not that I got to Kotaku or the Gawker sites (maybe Lifehacker or Deadspin for Foodpsin...).

I more meant, you know, the media making science issues into debate or covering stupid stuff, like what celebrity ate what for breakfast, versus world events?

No this is only for game journalists. O.o wow you didn't read the OP.

Warning Blood and Cartoon gore.

 Asherian Command wrote:


No this is only for game journalists. O.o wow you didn't read the OP.

And my point is "so, what?" Get mad about real media bias and not whether Destiny gets a 6 or a 9 from IGN?

 TheKbob wrote:

 Asherian Command wrote:


No this is only for game journalists. O.o wow you didn't read the OP.

And my point is "so, what?" Get mad about real media bias and not whether Destiny gets a 6 or a 9 from IGN?

Oh my god. READ THE OP BEFORE YOU POST!

So you want me to basically roll over and say yep I can do anything. I can't make a small change for the better.

You know how narrow minded that is?

Do you know Gamers are winning this fight?

Do you know the journalists are getting hit hard by this massive boycott?

You would know if you actually read all the articles we have posted! Do not come in and comment before you have actually read up on the issue, don't argue with people unless you know what you are talking about in this issue. This is a very complicated issue. You cannot ignore certain bits of information.