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I think they'd decide to find somewhere else to raid. Despite their many faults I imagine that the DKOK are indispensable for fighting enemies that are just too dreadful or too weird like the Emperors children(or could possibly tempt them into slaanesh worship) when Astarte's are unavailable.

They would likely see it as a challenge

What do we have to do to make them feel fear..................lots of opportunity for different indviduals to out do each other in this quest

Spurred onto new heights of depravity by the challenge.

Not let a good chance to have some fun go by

Dark Eldar would find a way, they would always find away

I reckon that the DKOK would put up a much better fight then the average Guard Regiment, but they'd be put in chains non the less. And when they get to Commaragh, then they'd truly learn what fear is!

Mordian Iron Guard are pretty fearless too as guardsmen go.
The held off a full daemon invasion of their home hive until reinforcements arrived iirc.

Dark Eldar and Night Lords are absolute masters of fear. DKoK are trained to resist fear but they are still human, they still react in certain ways to certain stimuli, and DEldar if any can play on these stimuli.

Yeah. The DKoK are dead 'ard but they'll still retreat if they're getting blown to smithereens. If all else fails they can just chop them up and hope that the arty doesn't get them.

 Ashiraya wrote:
DKoK are trained to resist fear but they are still human, they still react in certain ways to certain stimuli

Quoted for Truth.

Case in point: During the Siege of Vraks the forward elements of the 158th Krieg regiment killed their commissars rather than march into certain death at the hands of enemy artillery. Krieg are tough, but they aren't unthinking automatons. Witnessing (for example) their officers being strangled with their own intestines will break them just as surely as it will any other regiment.

To quote the forever quotable Jayne Cobb. "Pain is scary."

The DE use shock and blitz tactics, but little of what they do is actually to cause fear on the battlefield/raid. They are all about inflicting as painful experience as possible. The fear comes from the pain, in that you hear stories about what happens to those they take, but you don't actually know. And its never as tame as what you hear regardless of how horrific.

So given how the DE actually fight the DKOK are pretty much just as screwed as anyone else.

So givin that train of thought, the actual worst enemy for DE to fight would be Necrons. There is just no stimuli to be had fighting and capturing them.

 Ashiraya wrote:
Dark Eldar and Night Lords are absolute masters of fear. DKoK are trained to resist fear but they are still human, they still react in certain ways to certain stimuli, and DEldar if any can play on these stimuli.

If instilling fear in the DKOK is too difficult, then they would just instill fear in what supports the DKOK. Support personel, transport crew, logistical staff. When they chase them off the DKOK will be without ammo, food, reinforcements and more likely to feel fear. Even if they dont, they would also be much easier to kill.



You also have to ask yourself why the DE or Night Lords would attack.

DE are pirates, they attack soft targets. Targets that are designed for them to attack. They attack when they want, where they want. They attack from a galaxy spanning webway anywhere they want. Unless the DKoK had something the DE wanted REALLY badly, they probably would just go somewhere else. They arent about just inspiring terror, they want something. Pain, slaves, raw materials, priceless artifacts.

Similarly the night lords like to inspire terror. But perhaps they do not want to inspire terror in the DKoK, perhaps they want to kill the DKoK mercelessly to inspire terror in the population that the DKoK are trying to defend.


Both employ lightning fast tactics. Both are highly effective and brutal. I am still not seeing the DKoK as being immune to their ways.


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 Jayden63 wrote:


So givin that train of thought, the actual worst enemy for DE to fight would be Necrons. There is just no stimuli to be had fighting and capturing them.

But the New'crons have emotions, at least the higher versions. They can be tortured if they can be prevented from teleporting out(DE if anyone can). They also remember the galaxywide war fighting them long ago and would probably see some pleasure in ending them.


Tyranids are the ones that seem to me the DE would not enjoy fighting. Mindless synapse creatures.

The conscription rate for the planet of Kreig is 100%.

They have no civilians, no support personnel.

 Gashrog wrote:

 Ashiraya wrote:
DKoK are trained to resist fear but they are still human, they still react in certain ways to certain stimuli

Quoted for Truth.

Case in point: During the Siege of Vraks the forward elements of the 158th Krieg regiment killed their commissars rather than march into certain death at the hands of enemy artillery. Krieg are tough, but they aren't unthinking automatons. Witnessing (for example) their officers being strangled with their own intestines will break them just as surely as it will any other regiment.

That was, I think the only fluff of the DKoK doing that. and I believe they all got thrown into a Penal regiment.

 Psienesis wrote:
The conscription rate for the planet of Kreig is 100%.

They have no civilians, no support personnel.

but when they are off planet....

They exist to die for the Emperor.

 Psienesis wrote:
They exist to die for the Emperor.

/thread.

but really, I see them trying to die fighting instead of getting captured.

Either not engage the DKoK directly, or engage and mutilate them in a way that sends a fearful message to others.

There's more to "fear" than simply "I'm scared for my safety". There's also the confusion aspect of it, the doubt, the lack of security or confidence in victory.

Those are the aspects of fear that even Space Marines aren't immune to, and it's something that forces such as the Night Lords and the Dark Eldar excel at exploiting.

 BlaxicanX wrote:
There's more to "fear" than simply "I'm scared for my safety". There's also the confusion aspect of it, the doubt, the lack of security or confidence in victory.

Those are the aspects of fear that even Space Marines aren't immune to, and it's something that forces such as the Night Lords and the Dark Eldar excel at exploiting.

What's even scarier than seeing the Night Lords is not seeing them.

Kriegsmen are immune to fear

See?

As well as having a higher Weapon Skill than a common
Imperial Guardsman (this has already been included in their
profiles), units with this special rule are immune to Fear and do
not take Morale checks for suffering 25% shooting casualties

 Bobthehero wrote:
Kriegsmen are immune to fear

See?

As well as having a higher Weapon Skill than a common
Imperial Guardsman (this has already been included in their
profiles), units with this special rule are immune to Fear and do
not take Morale checks for suffering 25% shooting casualties

Unless the DKOK are lobotomized, they still feel fear. They just take a lot more to break than normal humans.

He was being facetious. lol

A bit.

Sure the 158th broke during the Siege, but that's about the only regiment that did so, in 18 years, its quite impressive, imo.

Especially considering the kind of stuff that happened to the 19th Siege regiment...

 Bobthehero wrote:
A bit.

Sure the 158th broke during the Siege, but that's about the only regiment that did so, in 18 years, its quite impressive, imo.

Especially considering the kind of stuff that happened to the 19th Siege regiment...

Or the guys that got spanked by the 'Crons.

The ones from Dead Men Walking, sure they got beaten, but not spanked, they came pretty close to defeating the 'crons. And they were already weakened number wise from previous combat.

 Bobthehero wrote:
The ones from Dead Men Walking, sure they got beaten, but not spanked, they came pretty close to defeating the 'crons. And they were already weakened number wise from previous combat.

No, not really. We have no idea if the nukes they brought were even of sufficient yield to blow apart the crons.

 Bobthehero wrote:
A bit.

Sure the 158th broke during the Siege, but that's about the only regiment that did so, in 18 years, its quite impressive, imo.

The only one mentioned so far at least.

Ok lets leave the Dark Eldar out of it sense they probably wouldn't attack them in the first place. The Night Lords use fear but use other tactics as well, any dirty trick so like someone said they'd probably do something like attack the supply lines making the DKOK easier to kill.

Given the authority based culture they have killing their leadership is probably the best bet. So the Night Lords would sweep in during the NIGHT of course kill the officer and in the day the DKOK would be easy prey.

can't speak for the dark eldar, but the Night Lords against a fearless foe just would resort to other tactics. I mean ignoring all their prefered tactics etc they are in the end STILL (chaos) space marines

Ironclad Warlord wrote:
Given the authority based culture they have killing their leadership is probably the best bet. So the Night Lords would sweep in during the NIGHT of course kill the officer and in the day the DKOK would be easy prey.

Or fail utterly because the DKoK saw it coming, and used their officers as bait.

Ironclad Warlord wrote:
I think they'd decide to find somewhere else to raid. Despite their many faults I imagine that the DKOK are indispensable for fighting enemies that are just too dreadful or too weird like the Emperors children(or could possibly tempt them into slaanesh worship) when Astarte's are unavailable.

The same way they'd fight other relatively stoic enemies, like other Space Marines or Tyranids or the like. They resort to more typical military tactics.

That said, typically I'd imagine that anything the DKoK is involved in isn't something the Dark Eldar want to deal with just on general principle, the DKoK aren't deployed to conflicts where raiding and slave harvesting are going to reap great rewards, and heavily entrenched siege lines and armored battlegroups aren't suitable targets for the Dark Eldar way of war. They'd probably just look elsewhere at places that might actually have something to offer, or attack more vulnerable supply lines and pillage from them.

 Bobthehero wrote:
A bit.

Sure the 158th broke during the Siege, but that's about the only regiment that did so, in 18 years, its quite impressive, imo.

Especially considering the kind of stuff that happened to the 19th Siege regiment...

It wasn't even the entire regiment, it was a single assault wave that ran back to its positions after being caught out in the open under pre-sighted artillery and couldn't see their enemy. It just happened that their retreat threw the rest of the regiments actions into disarray.

EDIT: also, keep in mind in Dead Men Walking, not all the troops involved were DKoK troops, there were the off-world DKoK, and the militia trained up by the DKoK to support them.