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 Ashiraya wrote:

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:

 Ashiraya wrote:

 Melissia wrote:
Orks can even loot Tyranids, as we all know.

To be fair, it's little more than a gag at this point.

Actually, that one has basis in old fluff when there was Tyranid Squigs that Orks tamed...

So yes, Orks did infact at one point "loot" Tyranids.

How many years ago was this?

It appears to have been retconned to hell and back, as squigs now are described as fully orkoid.

It's not stated that orks haven't looted tyranids in the later fluff. Thus, the older one isn't retconned. From the top of my head, i can remember a whyrmkilla clan from a 7-th ed codex: Orks that got their hands on tyranid spores and purposefully spread them across planets to hunt tyranids on sport. That's not exactly the same as looting, though. But it doesn't contradict the possibility of orkses taming tyranids that are not controlled by a Hivemind. Or loot tyranid carcasses.

Orks can loot anything. Orks can even loot a retcon of orks' looting something. Orks can loot ANYTHING!

And in regard to tyranids and orks.
In 1st edition there were Genestealer/Ork Hybrids, it was a unit in the book Freebooterz.

When Genestealers infiltrate, just as with humans, each generation of genestealer resembles the race more they infiltrate.
First generation looks like genestealer, 4th generation looks like an ork, but still a bit different.
And even hybrids that look like Orks can still be sniffed out by Orks and even easier by Squighounds, so they cannot really infiltrate the Ork hierarcht or society.
The so they form small units to protect themselves, which were the Ork hybrids.

Squigs are bred from fungus, just like orks.

The only example we have (That I know of) of an Ork trying to get Necron tech to work for him ended up with him, his waaagh, and a planet getting blown up.

In the Fourth edition ork Codex, there was a piece of fluff that states that a human titan gave inspiration to a mek to create a gargant. Just think of what the Celestial Orrery would do to a mek if one ever got inspired by it. Ork production of things is incredibly fast, so a celestial Orrery would probably get built in a couple of hundred years or less.

No way. No way Orks could loot Celestial Orery and actually use it.

I am pretty sure it's not as simple as pressing a button then little lights appear and then you proceed to blow up the universe.
There is probably a very complex procedure involved to start up the whole machine before you could do anything with it.

I'm sure even Eldar would need to spend a lot of time figuring it out, let alone Orks.

EDIT: also, it would be pretty weird if Necrons wouldn' destroy the Celestial Orery if they knew someone could get their hands on it.

Broly wrote:
No way. No way Orks could loot Celestial Orery and actually use it.

I am pretty sure it's not as simple as pressing a button then little lights appear and then you proceed to blow up the universe.
There is probably a very complex procedure involved to start up the whole machine before you could do anything with it.

I'm sure even Eldar would need to spend a lot of time figuring it out, let alone Orks.

EDIT: also, it would be pretty weird if Necrons wouldn' destroy the Celestial Orery if they knew someone could get their hands on it.

I do believe it's permanently on and has to be constantly monitored/ pruned to prevent catastrophic chain reactions and the destruction of the entire galaxy. It's one of those things that shouldn't have been built in the first place, and wouldn't have been built if the Necrons knew what it would be... but it was built and now it can never be turned off, they just have to initiate damage control by 'balancing' it. Perhaps if one were to destroy the Orrery, it would instantly eliminate every star in the galaxy.

I didn't get the sense that the Necron were unaware of the consequences of its creation. I also didn't get the sense that it needed to be monitored in order to not go nutty. It was shut down at some point or another during the long sleep after all.

As far as orks being able to loot NEcron tech:

1. Orks were created to fight the NEcron and the Ctan.
2. Orks were created with the ability to understand and utilize alien technology.
3. The only alien technology of any real value at the time was Necron and Eldar.
4. We have examples of Orks taking and using Necron technology in the fluff already.

The argument that Orks can't use Necron tech is silly.

Concerning the Orrery and the ork's use for it, they would probably take it apart to make piles of other things. They would likely not know its true purpose and if they did figure it out, it would probably be too late. A clan of lootas would have likely torn it apart for deff guns, shokk attack guns, and zzaps.

Broly wrote:
No way. No way Orks could loot Celestial Orery and actually use it.

I am pretty sure it's not as simple as pressing a button then little lights appear and then you proceed to blow up the universe.
There is probably a very complex procedure involved to start up the whole machine before you could do anything with it.

I'm sure even Eldar would need to spend a lot of time figuring it out, let alone Orks.

EDIT: also, it would be pretty weird if Necrons wouldn' destroy the Celestial Orery if they knew someone could get their hands on it.

This strikes me as a statement expressed from the fear that it might happen.

I, for one, welcome our new barbaric fungoid-animal overlords.

Also orks don't need time to figure things out. They have an innate ability to utilize something, even if it isn't the ability to utilize it to its full potential.

Either way it sounds like it would be disastrous.

Yeah I agree that the orks would probably not understand it (unless it was a really smart one,like Orkimedes), but if the machine is so delicate, and the orks are so straight forward and brutal, they should do some serious damage to the galaxy.

Imagine if they accidentaly blew up the star closest to terra, the repercussions would be enormous.

Well the closest star would be the sun, so yes. It would be very bad!

And then they could rename it Starkrumpa instead of that killkroozer or whatnot. Or da Sunsmasha. Or Da Big Dakkafing

 Wazdakka! wrote:
And then they could rename it Starkrumpa instead of that killkroozer or whatnot. Or da Sunsmasha. Or Da Big Dakkafing

Da GorkaMorka Gun!

Orks apparently somehow always foil Immotek's schemes. His ability to seize on a 4+ doesn't work on orks.

 PhillyT wrote:
I didn't get the sense that the Necron were unaware of the consequences of its creation. I also didn't get the sense that it needed to be monitored in order to not go nutty. It was shut down at some point or another during the long sleep after all.

As far as orks being able to loot NEcron tech:

1. Orks were created to fight the NEcron and the Ctan.
2. Orks were created with the ability to understand and utilize alien technology.
3. The only alien technology of any real value at the time was Necron and Eldar.
4. We have examples of Orks taking and using Necron technology in the fluff already.

The argument that Orks can't use Necron tech is silly.

Concerning the Orrery and the ork's use for it, they would probably take it apart to make piles of other things. They would likely not know its true purpose and if they did figure it out, it would probably be too late. A clan of lootas would have likely torn it apart for deff guns, shokk attack guns, and zzaps.

Can you give some examples of Orks using Necron tech? I only know of one instance, and they didn't use it, so much as cause it blow themselves up when they tried.

Broly wrote:
No way. No way Orks could loot Celestial Orery and actually use it.

I am pretty sure it's not as simple as pressing a button then little lights appear and then you proceed to blow up the universe.
There is probably a very complex procedure involved to start up the whole machine before you could do anything with it.

I'm sure even Eldar would need to spend a lot of time figuring it out, let alone Orks.

EDIT: also, it would be pretty weird if Necrons wouldn' destroy the Celestial Orery if they knew someone could get their hands on it.

Shokk Attakk Gun.

 Wyzilla wrote:

 Melissia wrote:
Nah, if the other lore doesn't contradict the Orks proclivity for looting, then they can loot it.

Necron tech, similar to Eldar tech, is wholely unrecognizable compared to the Imperium's technology. Unless it has feats for it, then it can't do it, quite simple. Simply because something is capable of scavenging the tech of one race by no means at all they are capable of looting something that evolved millions of years ago under the care of a different species and is laughably more advanced than the tech they normally work off as a parasite.

There's a huge difference though, Eldar tech is almost always partly psychic. Necron tech is down to earth.

However, since Necrons are robots, all their interfaces are probably wired or wireless binary, i.e. hackable only by computer experts on an IQ level comparable to the Necrons.

Since the Necrons appear to be somewhat dumb (being OP and losing against the Imperium means you must be), I guess they could be hacked by advanced races.

Nothing prevents Orks from short-circuiting and randomly activating gak through sheer firepower though, so I guess it could have a (devastating) effect.


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Broly wrote:
No way. No way Orks could loot Celestial Orery and actually use it.

I am pretty sure it's not as simple as pressing a button then little lights appear and then you proceed to blow up the universe.
There is probably a very complex procedure involved to start up the whole machine before you could do anything with it.

I'm sure even Eldar would need to spend a lot of time figuring it out, let alone Orks.

EDIT: also, it would be pretty weird if Necrons wouldn' destroy the Celestial Orery if they knew someone could get their hands on it.

No.

Eldar would figure it out in a few seconds.

Don't forget they have precognition in addition of their vastly superior intellect.

The Necrons are dumb feths programmed by smarter people, but obviously the smarter people did not finish the job.

Necron were more advanced at material technology than the Old Ones - but somehow they designed a race they can understand it anyway?

Again, this is not supported in fluff.
While I agree it's hilarious (Imagine an Ork riding a Spyder into battle. It's beautiful) in this particular case, there's no ground for it other than wishful thinking.

Morgoth, nobody programmed the Necrons.

Necrons are not robots. They are not the iron soldiers of a forgotten empire. They are not the Terminator gone right.

Necrons are the spiritual repositories for a once-proud, living empire who transmigrated into new bodies in search of eternal life. They are undead, and always have been, always will be.

Unless you mean the Canoptek units. Those are robots.

Ferros wrote:
Necron were more advanced at material technology than the Old Ones - but somehow they designed a race they can understand it anyway?

Again, this is not supported in fluff.
While I agree it's hilarious (Imagine an Ork riding a Spyder into battle. It's beautiful) in this particular case, there's no ground for it other than wishful thinking.

Just because the Old ones did not use technology that was more based in the Material realm does not mean that they did not know how to use it. It is preference. Look at it from a consumer point of view, you have a IPhone and a android People will chose one over the other because of their preference to it, not because they don't know how to work. Also old ones fought the necron empire for a very long time, to think that they didn't learn anything from this war about the necron tech is really silly. So the possibility that orks know how to loot Necron fluff is really probable.

It's more Divergent Development than anything else.

We have coal, therefore we developed technology revolving around the burning of coal to provide energy.

The Old Ones had psychic powers, therefore they developed technology revolving around the shaping of Warpstuff to provide energy, as they had no need to develop coal-based energy (or, indeed, may have had no access to coal, unlikely as that seems).

Any knowledge of Necron technology the Old Ones may have had would have been gleaned with great difficulty (or not, because psychic powers) from Necrons and salvaged Necron technology... incidentally, this may well be why all Necron technology either teleports home or self-destructs when damaged beyond usability: to prevent reverse-engineering.

 Sasori wrote:

Can you give some examples of Orks using Necron tech? I only know of one instance, and they didn't use it, so much as cause it blow themselves up when they tried.

In the limited scope of the new fluff, we have the one instance of the necrons bribing the orks with the deathrays. And if I recall my fluff, the orks didn't blow themselves up, the necrons had tinkered with the guns so they would detonate, but I would need to dig out my book.

But the orks were confident they could do it, and there is nothing saying that an ork COULDNT use necron technology.

As far as Eldar and Necron tech being incomprehensible, it isn't. Several technologies have been reverse engineered or informed by the Eldar and Necron tech by the Ad Mech. It is far ahead of much of the imperiums technology (ot necessarily all) but not so far ahead as to have the typical items (skuriken catapults, power weapons, and flayers) be understood to the point of usefulness.

Also, the Old Ones were had lower level technology because they used the warp. I don't think they couldn't understand the technology of the Necron.

The Ork Mek has an in-built genetic understanding of technology, whether it be fully-machine-based (like a slugga or a lifta-droppa) or working through manipulation of the Warp (like a tellyporta or Shokk Attack Gun). There's nothing particularly unknowable about Necron technology, as it's all based on scientific (as scientific as 40K gets) principles... even if those are principles of the Super-Science variety.

 PhillyT wrote:

 Sasori wrote:

Can you give some examples of Orks using Necron tech? I only know of one instance, and they didn't use it, so much as cause it blow themselves up when they tried.

In the limited scope of the new fluff, we have the one instance of the necrons bribing the orks with the deathrays. And if I recall my fluff, the orks didn't blow themselves up, the necrons had tinkered with the guns so they would detonate, but I would need to dig out my book.

But the orks were confident they could do it, and there is nothing saying that an ork COULDNT use necron technology.

As far as Eldar and Necron tech being incomprehensible, it isn't. Several technologies have been reverse engineered or informed by the Eldar and Necron tech by the Ad Mech. It is far ahead of much of the imperiums technology (ot necessarily all) but not so far ahead as to have the typical items (skuriken catapults, power weapons, and flayers) be understood to the point of usefulness.

Also, the Old Ones were had lower level technology because they used the warp. I don't think they couldn't understand the technology of the Necron.

The Necron lords didn't tinker with it. Once the Ork started to tinker with it, he blew himself and the WAAAGH up.

As I said, that that's only known example in the fluff of Orks attempting to use Necron Tech at all, and it backfired on them.

Gauss Flayers are also not understood by the imperium at all. It was deemed that their function was "Impossible" so I'm not quite sure where you get that they are understand.

 Furyou Miko wrote:
Morgoth, nobody programmed the Necrons.

Necrons are not robots. They are not the iron soldiers of a forgotten empire. They are not the Terminator gone right.

Necrons are the spiritual repositories for a once-proud, living empire who transmigrated into new bodies in search of eternal life. They are undead, and always have been, always will be.

Unless you mean the Canoptek units. Those are robots.

I wouldn't say Undead. In order to be undead you have to die first, and the necrontyr didn't really die.
Transhumanist (transalienist?) Lifeforms is a more accurate term for them, since they technically aren't dead; their conscious was merely displaced.
They are just inhabiting a different body. They are like cybermen; they were organic, then they replaced their fleshy bits with metal bits.

They are a lot like the wraithbone units, except whilst those are undead (they are controlled by souls of dead eldar), necrons have no souls, and ergo, cannot be considered dead nor alive.

They were, to quote Captain Power, digitized.

They sort of are undead since the Ctan ate their souls...

 Sasori wrote:

The Necron lords didn't tinker with it. Once the Ork started to tinker with it, he blew himself and the WAAAGH up.

As I said, that that's only known example in the fluff of Orks attempting to use Necron Tech at all, and it backfired on them.

They destroyed the entire planet if I recall correctly. Or at least devastated it. Seems the Necrons have been holding back the power of their Doomsday Arks. No wonder they teleport out; an explosion like that renders invasion (or defence) moot.

PhillyT wrote:
As far as Eldar and Necron tech being incomprehensible, it isn't. Several technologies have been reverse engineered or informed by the Eldar and Necron tech by the Ad Mech. It is far ahead of much of the imperiums technology (ot necessarily all) but not so far ahead as to have the typical items (skuriken catapults, power weapons, and flayers) be understood to the point of usefulness.

Ah, I didn't mean to say that the Imperium couldn't potentially understand Necron tech. The Imperium have a wonderful halfway point of development between hard tech and magi tech that means they could potentially develop to the Necrons level.

I meant that the Old Ones would have struggled greatly to comprehend the Necron tech because their own technology was based on entirely different basic principles, while the Necrons, as a non-psychic race, would be completely incapable of unlocking the secrets of Old One technology.

Thats true. But on the flip side, they engineered the Eldar to be capable of producing hyper tech infused with psyker energy too, so they must had some capacity to relate, at least at the basic level.

The necron technology is generally portrayed as the maximum possible tech that can exist, since the Ctan were familiar with the most basic rules of the galaxy and were able to manipulate them with some ease.