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So I have been a diehard Salamanders player. Love them and the abilities. But I am looking to find a more competitive chapter. I love the lore of all of them and I am cool with all the heraldry. I just wonder.

What chapter does dakka find best and why?

Salamanders stops flamers and allows for the heavy hutting weapons to basically have rend plus the master craft is amazing.

best CT goes to white scars hands down.

followed, in no particular order by

ultrasmurfs
salamanders
imperial fists
Iron hands

the rest leave things to be desired.

But why are the white scares the best of the book? It seems to me that imperial fists and salamanders are more reliable when not running Khan.

Or am I missing something?

Steelbain wrote:
But why are the white scares the best of the book? It seems to me that imperial fists and salamanders are more reliable when not running Khan.

Or am I missing something?

Hit&Run is amazingly powerful

WS are, not only amazing on TT, (HoW at str 5, ignore dangeorus terrain, hit and run +1 to jink) but is also one of the fluffiest CTs there is.

Drop Pod Salamaders

I'd second whitescars. Hit and run is very powerful, as are 3+ jink bikes with str 5 HoW. This is before we mention khan, who opens up a whole different game to white scars with his scouting bikes and transports.

Run an ironhands detachment with this for a tough chaptermaster on bike and you will have the standard 'competitive' SM layout.

I see. This seems very solid. I normally love tanks and fliers. But being able to scout a land raider sounds like a good time

I would third White Scars... I don't like them, lore-wise, and I play Ultramarines Tactics, but if I had any bikes I'd run White Scars Tactics (the army is necessarily painted Ultramarines, even though they ARE blue) because how how awesome Hit and Run and that HoW are.

Imperial fists suits my play style. I like to run a troops heavy list and with Marines that of course means plenty of Bolters!

You don't even need to run bikes or khan for WS to be the best. Hit and run is so broken a rule. 67% of the time your marines can jump 3d6 from combat. I can't count the number of times my tactical based army has lept 11" average from combat onto objectives last turn, it's really not fair to be honest.

Oh Wow! I'd completely forgotten that Hit and Run could do that! I'm starting to believe that, yes infact they are the best. I was informed of a great setup today that runs WS Command bikers with Thunderhammer and Storm Shield + Melta Bombs.... 3+/3++/3+++ FTW. lol!

Star Phantoms, chapter tactic allows you to twin link any rapid fire, heavy, or salvo weapons for a turn. THATS Dakka.

Star Phantoms?? What's that from? Forge world?

Steelbain wrote:
Oh Wow! I'd completely forgotten that Hit and Run could do that! I'm starting to believe that, yes infact they are the best. I was informed of a great setup today that runs WS Command bikers with Thunderhammer and Storm Shield + Melta Bombs.... 3+/3++/3+++ FTW. lol!

Lol its cool but in any remotely competitive game thats terrible. Thats like 80ppm

I love my Iron Hands, they just rule. I dont count on it, but the number of times the 6+ has made my day is huge!!

also like BA, WS, Raptors and Raven Guard...

If you're into forgeworld rules, check out their chapter tactics. Raptors are a raven guard successor, so they get scout, and ASM can use their packs in movement and assault phases.

...but wait! there's more: Once per game, for one turn, you can make all bolt weapons heavy 1 rending for a turn. That's huge. That turns sternguard and tacticals into anit-everything units.

Also, if you play it right, Ultramarines can be very dakka, but you have to call the doctrines right. IF are okay, but they get boring if you have the time to play lots of games.

My bother plays raven guard, and they make vanguard vets kinda-sorta viable, which is cool if you like power weapons.

Once per game, for one turn, you can make all bolt weapons heavy 1 rending for a turn

the Raptors tactics actually give you the option (as long as the unit didn't move) to fire any bolter/bolt pistol/combi-weapon bolter as heavy 1, rending

much more consistent than a one use power. really turns regular marines into MC killers and vehicle hunters.

Black Templars for maximum ZEAL!

 KathiasBlack wrote:

Once per game, for one turn, you can make all bolt weapons heavy 1 rending for a turn

the Raptors tactics actually give you the option (as long as the unit didn't move) to fire any bolter/bolt pistol/combi-weapon bolter as heavy 1, rending

much more consistent than a one use power. really turns regular marines into MC killers and vehicle hunters.

Oh, good lord! I wish I hadn't spent all my money on actual raven guard now.

That's a lot of fun, but sadly my local doesn't allow FW...

Steelbain wrote:
Star Phantoms?? What's that from? Forge world?

They're FW chapter tactics, don't think there are any Star Phantom models.

I'd like to use this thread for a question: As WS tactics don't have Skilld Rider per se (but rules taht mimic it), would it stack with Skilled Rider? Say, if I put Sammael in a squad of WS bikers, would they be able to Jink at 2+?