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It is now.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
That's not a Stormhammer...

Well, alright, but it's Forgeworld's interpretation of one. Here's that piccie from Conquest under the Stormhammer entry. You can see similarities, though there are some differences

Still a Stormlord- probably a different pattern though. What do we think? Legion or Solar Auxilia?

It's a stormhammer, the only difference really is the turret looks different. Could be a different gun I guess. The one in Conquest is probably an early mock up.

I'm guessing Solar Auxilia because the Legion super heavys have had the rounded turrets, this is very boxy.

It is only available to the Solar Auxilia as of right now.

 ImAGeek wrote:
It's a stormhammer, the only difference really is the turret looks different. Could be a different gun I guess. The one in Conquest is probably an early mock up.

I'm guessing Solar Auxilia because the Legion super heavys have had the rounded turrets, this is very boxy.

Can't be a Stormhammer- not enough guns on it.

 angelofvengeance wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:
It's a stormhammer, the only difference really is the turret looks different. Could be a different gun I guess. The one in Conquest is probably an early mock up.

I'm guessing Solar Auxilia because the Legion super heavys have had the rounded turrets, this is very boxy.

Can't be a Stormhammer- not enough guns on it.

Got the same amount as the Stormhammer picture in Conquest...

 ImAGeek wrote:
It's a stormhammer, the only difference really is the turret looks different.

It only has one turret. That's why it's not a Stormhammer.

It is now though.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:
It's a stormhammer, the only difference really is the turret looks different.

It only has one turret. That's why it's not a Stormhammer.

There's one turret on the top, and the two guns underneath, exactly like the Stormhammer in Conquest.

Looks like another marvel of imperial engineering. What is that stupid hatch doing there above the gun? Covering the breech? Hell of a bullet-catcher...

People are upset because it looks nothing like the old Epic model.

That flap over the front guns looks really lazy. Not a fan of that at all.

 Kosake wrote:
Looks like another marvel of imperial engineering. What is that stupid hatch doing there above the gun? Covering the breech? Hell of a bullet-catcher...

Looks more like the pivot point of the gun swivel. Too many big rivets to be a hatch, and no handle or hinge.

 SlaveToDorkness wrote:

 Kosake wrote:
Looks like another marvel of imperial engineering. What is that stupid hatch doing there above the gun? Covering the breech? Hell of a bullet-catcher...

Looks more like the pivot point of the gun swivel. Too many big rivets to be a hatch, and no handle or hinge.

There are hinges. It just looks like a flap to get to the gun workings if there's a malfunction, Im not seeing the issue.

All they had to do, kinda, was but two barrels on the top turret, and it would have been "OK"...

Oh well!

Its a stormhammer ...

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No, its not a stormhammer ...

And yet, now it is.

 ImAGeek wrote:

 SlaveToDorkness wrote:

 Kosake wrote:
Looks like another marvel of imperial engineering. What is that stupid hatch doing there above the gun? Covering the breech? Hell of a bullet-catcher...

Looks more like the pivot point of the gun swivel. Too many big rivets to be a hatch, and no handle or hinge.

There are hinges. It just looks like a flap to get to the gun workings if there's a malfunction, Im not seeing the issue.

I was talking specifically about the round thing in the middle of the plate on top.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:
It's a stormhammer, the only difference really is the turret looks different.

It only has one turret. That's why it's not a Stormhammer.

Rogue trader rhinos had two bolters and curved exhaust pipe tips. When they redesigned the plastic kit and included a single storm bolter and straight exhaust pipes, did it stop being a rhino? Just because you don't like the look of an updated model, it doesn't mean it becomes something else.

 SlaveToDorkness wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:

 SlaveToDorkness wrote:

 Kosake wrote:
Looks like another marvel of imperial engineering. What is that stupid hatch doing there above the gun? Covering the breech? Hell of a bullet-catcher...

Looks more like the pivot point of the gun swivel. Too many big rivets to be a hatch, and no handle or hinge.

There are hinges. It just looks like a flap to get to the gun workings if there's a malfunction, Im not seeing the issue.

I was talking specifically about the round thing in the middle of the plate on top.

Oh yeah that's just the swivel I think. The whole plate is a flap/hatch I think but I don't get the issue with it, it's probably just to get to the workings of the gun.

 ImAGeek wrote:

 SlaveToDorkness wrote:

 Kosake wrote:
Looks like another marvel of imperial engineering. What is that stupid hatch doing there above the gun? Covering the breech? Hell of a bullet-catcher...

Looks more like the pivot point of the gun swivel. Too many big rivets to be a hatch, and no handle or hinge.

There are hinges. It just looks like a flap to get to the gun workings if there's a malfunction, Im not seeing the issue.

The issue would be
a) that that giant flap has no covers from the side and is pretty massive, so any projectile that comes between it and the armor plates below the guns is bound to ricochet directly into their loading mechanism.
b) this design would be the whole reason why you would have to access the gun mechanism so frequently for full repairs in the first place
c) it loos really stupid and unnecessary

 ImAGeek wrote:


Oh yeah that's just the swivel I think. The whole plate is a flap/hatch I think but I don't get the issue with it, it's probably just to get to the workings of the gun.

It's a protective flap, under which the gun mount can slide against it to allow the gun to turn upward - although the round swivel indicates that the flap is joined with the gun turret and prevents it from sliding.. so basically it negates the mechanical design and shouldn't be there Of course the turret could pivot upward using the flap joint, but the hinges look way too weedy for that.

IS-3 has a similar small rear-hinged protective flap above the gun mantlet. It's pretty thin, so it's mostly against dirt etc. getting into the mantlet gaps.

To be fair, if you're close enough to that thing to take advantage of that design flaw, you're probably fethed anyway when the half dozen guns on that thing open up on you lol.

 Kosake wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:

 SlaveToDorkness wrote:

 Kosake wrote:
Looks like another marvel of imperial engineering. What is that stupid hatch doing there above the gun? Covering the breech? Hell of a bullet-catcher...

Looks more like the pivot point of the gun swivel. Too many big rivets to be a hatch, and no handle or hinge.

There are hinges. It just looks like a flap to get to the gun workings if there's a malfunction, Im not seeing the issue.

The issue would be
a) that that giant flap has no covers from the side and is pretty massive, so any projectile that comes between it and the armor plates below the guns is bound to ricochet directly into their loading mechanism.
b) this design would be the whole reason why you would have to access the gun mechanism so frequently for full repairs in the first place
c) it loos really stupid and unnecessary

I guess. It's as mechanically sound as every other Imperial vehicle though they probably just had a flat plate and thought 'let's put some hinges on it so it doesn't look bare'. I think it looks fine.

Again, FW is now calling this...thing a Stormhammer, but hopefully it is just a particular type/pattern of Stormhammer, and there are others in the works.

Once that look more like...a real Stormhammer:



And there then's my version too, the infamous "RSO" Pattern Stormhammer:



I'm not sure why FW chose to get rid of the iconic double double barreled turrets - but it was a Bad Move!

 Alpharius wrote:

I'm not sure why FW chose to get rid of the iconic double double barreled turrets - but it was a Bad Move!

Maybe it required far more resin conversion bits than FW wanted to do (or had time to do)? Anyway, for those still wanting to make the "classic" Stormhammer, look up Blood and Skulls Industry Ebay store for all the parts to convert a Baneblade kit into one.

 angelofvengeance wrote:
To be fair, if you're close enough to that thing to take advantage of that design flaw, you're probably fethed anyway when the half dozen guns on that thing open up on you lol.

Not at all. Especially shooting from range, any "conventional" projectile, say, a kinetic penetrator or, really, any other type of shell will have a higher tendency to bounce on impact. sloped armor supports that tendency in order to deflect incoming rounds rather than to rely on pure armor thickness. However, any protrusions, gaps and other irregularities create areas where the incoming projectile can not be deflected (or is deflected right into the crevice) and brings it's full remaining potential to bear. I think the T-34/85 were a prime example where the gap between the turret and the sloped, frontal armour acted as a funel for incoming fire.

I think, even by 40k standards, the classic Stormhammer design on a Baneblade looks ridiculous. They should give it a bigger chassis if they do a double main turret version.

 Alpharius wrote:
Again, FW is now calling this...thing a Stormhammer, but hopefully it is just a particular type/pattern of Stormhammer, and there are others in the works.

Once that look more like...a real Stormhammer

The FW one is no less "real" than their jump packs, rhinos, land raiders, or anything else that they've come up with that differs from the original concept drawings and older art or even the current models. In the end, it'll likely be a "forgeworld specific" variant like the ryza pattern or lucius somesuch. Even changing the actual function of the weapons isn't new either. The MKIIB land raiders have a much more restrictive fire arc than the current plastics and more than the original plastics. As stated above, conversion is likely the only option until if and when FW decides to make two patterns. Since they're on a decade long HH kick, I don't think we'll see multiple patterns though like in the old days. There just isn't room inbetween all the contemptors! In any case, I do prefer the older version but also like the new one as well. It looks like it would visually go quite well with a Macharius whereas the older version goes better with baneblades.


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 prowla wrote:


IS-3 has a similar small rear-hinged protective flap above the gun mantlet. It's pretty thin, so it's mostly against dirt etc. getting into the mantlet gaps.

Now that is a sexy looking tank (that I'm working towards in WOT) and is one of my favorite visually from WW2 (along with the pzIV). The smooth turret and pike nose just resonate as cold war futuristic for me.