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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/09/23 16:09:35
Subject: [1850] - CSM - Dead and Loving It
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Regular Dakkanaut
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Looking to run the following 1850 build. I am a fan of plague zombies and murderpack, as they are fun and can have their moments to shine. That being said, my list:
1847 pts
[-CAD-]
86 bodies, 1202 pts
HQ:
--Warlord: Huron Blackheart
--Typhus
TROOPS:
--Plague Zombies x25
--Plague Zombies x25
--Plague Zombies x27
HEAVY SUPPORT:
6 bodies, 645 pts
--Obliterators x3 (MoN, VoTL)
--Obliterators x3 (MoN, VoTL)
[-FORMATION-]
HELBRUTE MURDERPACK
-Helbrute Champion: TL LC, PowerScourge
-2 Brutes: Reaper AC, ML
-2 Brutes: TL LC, PF, HF
I have several options as far as deployment, mainly depending on the opponent. I plan on using zombies as meatshields/sandbags for everything else. I also have success in outflanking a squad with either Typhus of Huron; otherwise, they will join units of Oblits.
The Murderpack has a plethora of weapons and hopefully can deal with multiple threats through firepower. I find a big weakness of the brutes is only a base attack of 2, so I don't want to get them in combat unless it is against a vehicle or other target that cuts apart infantry. So, I left some fists in the mix. In the past, I ran the Murderpack with Be'Lakor for Invisibility and/or Shrouding, but I had a tough time earning back his points. As such, the 5+ cover save from zombies should give a bit of a boost to their durability and provide some bubble wrapping.
Like many CSM players I bank on the flexibility of Obliterator deployment: deep-striking as needed helps to offset my lack of mobility (although my army is indeed a slow one). I do have Spawn and Heldrakes, but I would rather have the firepower from the Oblits (and Brutes), as well as have some options outside of the usual Fast Attack slots.
But, with that in mind, any suggestions or glaring weaknesses that I am missing?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/09/24 23:03:11
Subject: [1850] - CSM - Dead and Loving It
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Painlord Titan Princeps of Slaanesh
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Spread out your Oblits to occupy all 3 heavy slots
2 Oblits, MoN,VotLW
2 Oblits, MoN,VotLW
2 Oblits, MoN,VotLW
Why have huron? what are you infiltrating?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/09/25 00:14:49
Subject: [1850] - CSM - Dead and Loving It
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Fixture of Dakka
Chicago, Illinois
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Get rid of Huron, I've played a similar list before and yes it is super duper fun to play.
I'd max out at 75 cultist, then use the left overs to take a Helcult.
The 2 Squads of Chaos Cultists can be turned into Zombies by Typhus that's a lot of fun.
I'd recommend taking a Psyker in Terminator armour and going either Sanctic or Telepathy, then take a small squad of Terminators to teleport in with him and Typhus.
That's a lot of fun.
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If I lose it is because I had bad luck, if you win it is because you cheated. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/09/25 07:26:44
Subject: [1850] - CSM - Dead and Loving It
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Khorne Veteran Marine with Chain-Axe
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2nd vote to split the Oblits into 3x 2-model units.
Presumably Huron and Typhus are walking up with whichever unit(s) of zombies don't infiltrate? Or you thinking of infiltrating Oblits?
Looks like fun!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/09/25 14:00:55
Subject: Re:[1850] - CSM - Dead and Loving It
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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If you could subtract Huron and Typhus and shift some points around, you could include 2 units of Nurgle Spawn. They'd give your opponent something to think about while your MURDERPACK!!!!! shambles towards his lines.
Alternatively, one unit of Spawn and a Bike Sorcerer with Telepathy (to try for Invis) never lets me down.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/09/25 14:23:27
Subject: [1850] - CSM - Dead and Loving It
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Battleship Captain
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Like the murderpack - leaving a powerscourge on the champion is always good. Nothing is unpleasant for a meltabomb-wielding sarge as the words "I issue a challenge" coming from the tentacle bento machine.
Mixing reapers and lascannons seems a little odd, though. I'd be tempted to stick with just one or the other. Either way, keep the missile launcher armed brutes out front and fire frenzy away every time they get shot....
I'd leave blackheart out as well. It's not like you actually want your zombies to get close - they may be hard to kill but they're not actually any good in assaults either; you'd rather they just hold a line between the enemy and the helbrutes whilst you shoot your opponent to buggery.
Adding Typhus to the obliterators is a nice idea. Typhus is insanely hard to take down with small arms fire, so putting him at the front of a unit to tank bolter shells is a nice idea.
At the same time, I think the choice between Helcults and Zombies is a nice even one - the zombies are clearly harder to kill but the helcultists are actually quite nasty in an assault if enough of them get there - and can have flamers.
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Termagants expended for the Hive Mind: ~2835
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/09/25 15:42:13
Subject: Re:[1850] - CSM - Dead and Loving It
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Regular Dakkanaut
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Thanks for the feedback and suggestions, all. To address some of your points:
1) I am dropping Huron; having a chance at Prescience (with Psychic Focus) is nice, but I agree that I don't have a lot worth infiltrating. I toyed with adding Cypher, but then would need to drop a squad of Oblits and then add something worth joining him to, such as Plague Marines. In the end, it might just be worth adding a full squad of Nurgle Spawn (if I can free the extra points), or a sorcerer (going Santic sounds like fun; do CSM have access to his discipline, though?) for tagging along with the brutes. I definitely want to keep some tactical options open, other than just plodding up the field in one large mass; but, at least the Oblits have the option to DS in. I suppose I could also throw a squad of termies together and DS in with Typhus...My only issue is that I hate wasting Typhus on a potential late-game entrance.
2) Good call on the Oblits. I like running a 3-man group as an escort for Typhus, but having 3 squads makes more sense.
3) Ideally, I want 4-5 LC on the Brutes. But, I threw in the Reapers on account of points. I suppose that I could drop the HFs and then squeeze out a few zombies in order to fit in the LCs, but I do like keeping them somewhat versatile. In the past, I ran the Murderpack with 5 reapers, and they were hard-pressed to put a dent on MEQs. But, mileage may vary.
4) I feel that turning the Helcult into zombies is kind of redundant; they already have zealot/fearless, so I would much rather make use of their autoguns (or extra attacks).
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/09/25 19:30:12
Subject: [1850] - CSM - Dead and Loving It
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Fixture of Dakka
Chicago, Illinois
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RE: Helcut w/ Zombies, I just do it for thematic sense. Its just kind of cool. I usually give him a Flail and a Reaper.
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If I lose it is because I had bad luck, if you win it is because you cheated. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/09/25 21:30:05
Subject: Re:[1850] - CSM - Dead and Loving It
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Regular Dakkanaut
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Updated list:
1850 pts
[-CAD-]
83 bodies, 1235 pts
HQ:
--Warlord: Huron Blackheart
--Sorcerer, Lvl 3, Terminator, Ax, Spell Familiar, Sanctic Daemonology
--Warlord: Typhus
TROOPS:
--Plague Zombies x25
--Plague Zombies x25
--Plague Zombies x25 22
ELITE:
--Terminators x3, MoN, Combi-Meltas, LC, PA, CF
HEAVY SUPPORT:
5 bodies
--Obliterators x2 (MoN, VoTL)
--Obliterators x3 x2 (MoN, VoTL)
--Obliterators x1 (MoN)
[-FORMATION-]
HELBRUTE MURDERPACK
-Helbrute Champion: TL LC, PowerScourge
-2 Brutes: Reaper AC, ML
-2 Brutes: TL LC, PF, HF
~I pulled out Huron, 1 Oblit, a handful of zombies, and the Brutes' HFs in order to make room for a Sanctic sorcerer and a squad of termies. I also did not have any points left to add another TL LC in place of a brute's Reaper; I could drop the sorcerer to level 2, but I like my chances better when rolling for 3 powers: all of the 1 WC Sanctic powers seem helpful with this build and quite simply, a ton of fun. Plus, having the tools to pull Typhus out of a nasty match-up (walkers, DKs, etc) seems well worth it to not roll on Telepathy.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/09/25 21:48:11
Subject: [1850] - CSM - Dead and Loving It
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Fixture of Dakka
Chicago, Illinois
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That looks good. I wouldn't mix my Murder Pack weaponry except to give one or two power flailspersonally but it's fine to do. If you did that I think the points would come out to having enough left over for 2 squads of 3 Obliterators.
Go with Power Mauls for your Terminators, having +2 ST from Sanctic makes them ST8 total striking at normal initiative 4.
Another thing to remember for the Murderpack is that they get to pick the result of Crazed so you can pick double firing , so H. Plasmas are actually kind of a good thing.
It's hilariously awesome when you roll 2 or more ones to glance yourself then next phase fire off 7 H. Plasma blasts.
It can easily blow up the squad ,but I find it amusing.
If you dropped the TL Lascannons you'd have more points left over for stuff, w/ 3 squads of Oblits you do have a good number of AP2 to kill marines.
I'm a fan of Reaper Autocannons because 10 shots or more helps to deal with Fliers a bit.
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If I lose it is because I had bad luck, if you win it is because you cheated. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/09/29 18:34:18
Subject: Re:[1850] - CSM - Dead and Loving It
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Regular Dakkanaut
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Thantos Kalev wrote:Updated list:
1850 pts
[- CAD-]
83 bodies, 1235 pts
HQ:
-- Warlord: Huron Blackheart
--Sorcerer, Lvl 3, Terminator, Ax, Spell Familiar, Sanctic Daemonology
--Warlord: Typhus
TROOPS:
--Plague Zombies x25
--Plague Zombies x25
--Plague Zombies x 25 22
ELITE:
--Terminators x3, MoN, Combi-Meltas, LC, PA, CF
HEAVY SUPPORT:
5 bodies
--Obliterators x2 ( MoN, VoTL)
--Obliterators x3 x2 ( MoN, VoTL)
--Obliterators x1 ( MoN)
[-FORMATION-]
HELBRUTE MURDERPACK
-Helbrute Champion: TL LC, PowerScourge
-2 Brutes: Reaper AC, ML
-2 Brutes: TL LC, PF, HF
Just a quick follow-up with the above list: I just went 3-0 at a local tourney with it, beating out a Tau gunline in Hammer and Anvil (Brutes drew the fire whilst the zombies rushed the Relic, with Typhus and zombies knocking out a Devilfish and then routing the troops off of the relic); Blood Angels on Vanguard Strike (not much was left of his army at the end of 5, although he kept it close on account of the randomized Maelstrom objectives that were in use); Eldar Wraithguard/Wave Serpents (glad it was Dawn of War! Brutes kept the serpents snap shooting, and I was able to wreck a couple with Typhus and then Oblit powerfists, respectively, and then tie up midfield Wraithguard with zombies; glad I rolled on Sanctic, as Gate of Infinity allowed me to teleport to the game-clinching objective).
That being said, all of my games were extremely close on points. The Murderpack performed admirably, with their amount of TL, high-strength shots taking down quite a bit. Their roughest matchup was against the Eldar (I lost 3 Brutes, including one with both weapons blown off; he made a great sandbag!), but again their firepower forced enough jinks to keep me in the game.
I started almost everything on the board each game, with the exception of 1) the lone oblit, who deepstruck in (he failed to appear on game 3, where we only made it to 4 full turns) and 2) the Termies/sorcerer: they DS in on game 2, on account of not getting Gate of Infinity.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/09/29 19:57:30
Subject: [1850] - CSM - Dead and Loving It
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Eternally-Stimulated Slaanesh Dreadnought
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AWESOME! close is good!
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I have a love /hate relationship with anything green. |
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