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 Sharps wrote:

 iproxtaco wrote:

 Sharps wrote:


The reason why Radiance and Light levels are bad, Is because 90% of people are locked off to Vault of Glass raid in destiny, Unless you do endless grinding of reputation to buy the good gear, or find some in drops and endgrams.

I'm level 26 right now and I haven't bought a single thing from reputation vendors. I don't even have enough reputation to buy anything from them. The amount of Light an item gives can be increased by upgrading it, which you do by earning basic experience points.

The bigger problem with the Vault of Glass is that there's no matchmaking.

I would be totally fine with Light if I could get the way I look right. This game needs Vanity armor slots like DC Universe Online for example.

My vault is filled with gear that looks cool. I anticipate them adding that feature at some point.

The light just kinda kills the customization. But let's be honest, was leveling up before you hit 20 more fun than trying to collect the light gears?

In many ways, yes. I've only leveled up once though, so I'm putting most of that down to the thrill of discovering new things.


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 Kanluwen wrote:

The reputation vendors taking so long to be able to purchase things is in fact one of the largest problems, with the second largest being that the third party factions require Crucible Marks rather than Vanguard or the ability to use either/or.

That I agree with. I don't understand the point of having multiple levels of reputation when everything is unlocked after the second.

The bigger problem with the Vault of Glass is that there's no matchmaking.

You wouldn't want to do the Vault of Glass with randoms. It requires communication and the willingness to shut up and listen to someone who has done it before.

Perhaps its biggest problem is its general inaccessibility. Seems counter productive to make your best content almost inaccessible to even dedicated players.

Imagine my surprise when a Legendary Engram actually gave me a Legendary item and not a blue or crafting piece. Of course that was followed by the sadness of it being a Sniper Rifle, which I do not use.

 Kanluwen wrote:

It really doesn't.

Not really?

You seem to want less than what we should have gotten.

The majority of us finds it unacceptable you know.

The game is very flawed, but not too flawed, and we should had expect more from a wonderful company, such as Bungie with a high budget to clear, and erase these flaws. And I'm just presenting those flaws with facts and "Should have been" scenarios of what the majority of us would have wanted.

 Ahtman wrote:
Imagine my surprise when a Legendary Engram actually gave me a Legendary item and not a blue or crafting piece. Of course that was followed by the sadness of it being a Sniper Rifle, which I do not use.

It's worse when you actually get a legendary and it ends up being for a different class. Four legendary gauntlet engrams and not a single one for the Warlock I play.

 iproxtaco wrote:

 Ahtman wrote:
Imagine my surprise when a Legendary Engram actually gave me a Legendary item and not a blue or crafting piece. Of course that was followed by the sadness of it being a Sniper Rifle, which I do not use.

It's worse when you actually get a legendary and it ends up being for a different class. Four legendary gauntlet engrams and not a single one for the Warlock I play.

Oh yeah, I got a Legendary Hunter cloak once, which isn't a class I play either.

I do like destiny, I like the look, the worlds, the ideas, the big issue I have is I am predominantly a single player game fan, but I do enjoy MP too, having played WoW, TOR, Battlefield games etc, and I realise the days of the massive single player campaigns are dying.

However, this game has been hyped to the max, 4 years in development, going to be 'the next big thing'.

However after playing it for a while I am finding a few issues which I see others agree with, specifically:

Everything looks very similar, while pretty, its very sparse, small bands of constantly respawning bad guys and you on the ground, maybe another guardian now and then, but no real way to interact with them easily, bar waving.

This leads to boredom, as you don't really have much purpose bar getting to the final boss fight\defend area in the zone, so you rush past everything because it doesn't benefit you to wander about the worlds, theres nothing there. This is why I do agree with those comparing it to when wow first appeard (I started playing about 5 months after release) and while there wasn't a huge amount to do higher up, to get to level 60 felt like it would take forever and had hundreds of quests, which took you all over the world.

In destiny, you get the feeling the 'planets' are actually just small boxes you get to play in a little. The Old Republic MMO suffered from this badly, the Beta and the full game had the same issue, while it was meant to be a world and a galaxy to play in, the actual area you could walk around in felt cramped.

Gauntlet runs! I despise gauntlet runs, they are a hang up from early multiplayer deathmatch games that needed a single player section slapped on, which resulted in waves of enemies being thrown at you meaning you usually die (lots) so it takes a while to progress. This isn't adding value, it just means you play the same section over and over, which gets old fast.

The shrouded area in destiny is very bad for this, the 'defend ghost' sections especially, playing one I was astonished at the level of waves that just kept appearing and remembered that if I die, I have to go through this AGAIN from the start.

The mission at level 5 where you have to open up an array while defending from waves of fallen made me rage quit more than once, with the reload time and the enemies rushing you and hitting HARD while getting shot from their mates just ended up in death, and each time you resurrect you have the bullets you had when you died, so if you died a lot, you basically got into a situation where you didn't have enough rounds to kill all the enemies! This isn't fun.

Anyway, I realise that you get harder and the level becomes easier, fair enough, but the realisation that I will be doing the same thing at level 15, 20 and onwards doesn't fill me with a great desire to continue.

The other big issue (and its been touched on here) is the lack of story. In most MMO's and shooters there is a reason why you are doing things, be it pretty odd. In destiny I don't feel I am being given reasons to do things, and the grimoire is a terribly idea, whats wrong with the hundreds of games in the past where these things are added to a journal you can read in game, why do I have to log onto bungie to read story and advice that I find ingame, it ruins any immersion.

I don't have an issue with DLC being added as it keeps the game fresh and folk wanting more, the problem Destiny has, is that there is so little to keep folks going at the release, many have maxed out already, the time it takes DLC to appear means many will just move on and the DLC wont get utilised. The latest Queen stuff that appeared was what many feared, new gauntlet runs in areas they have already done but with harder enemies....just because.....

I love the 'idea' of the world they have teased us with, but I get the distinct impression that will never be explored, and they just want it to be quake 3 arena but with a Halo type skin.

It was hyped as Knights of the old republic type immersion, Wow levels of freedom but in execution, its turned out to be Star Trek Online all over again.

Its a good game framework, with excellent game mechanics, shooting, movement, upgrades, but it just feels so soulless, and empty that I just cant see it lasting.

LOTR Shadow of Mordor and the witcher 3 look to be much better games, with massively involved stories, and took less time to make than destiny says a lot.

I hope to be proven wrong and Destiny get story based DLC but I doubt it, I see map packs and new skins and that's about it.

Great shame

 Rick_1138 wrote:
The mission at level 5 where you have to open up an array while defending from waves of fallen made me rage quit more than once, with the reload time and the enemies rushing you and hitting HARD while getting shot from their mates just ended up in death, and each time you resurrect you have the bullets you had when you died, so if you died a lot, you basically got into a situation where you didn't have enough rounds to kill all the enemies!

Just did that mission on 22 Heroic the other day and it is a lot more intense. I think most of the Stikes have at least one section like that, but they are three player minimum so you aren't alone at least while getting angry.

That was got me, its 1-3 players but you get the distinct impression its designed for 3, so soloing it is a massive pain in the hoop, I have a few mates who play but often they are far away doing different mission and getting together in game is a chore. I'll get it done and I do like the feeling of achievement if you pass a hard bit but if you have to do it 30 times, then it gets old. I was really annoyed to find out when I died the first time I did it, I was only 1 wave from finishing it after seeing a vid online.... :|

 thenoobbomb wrote:

You should compare it to WoW at it's release.

You shouldn't.

Wow is like a 10 year old game. After 10 years you would think that devs know what makes it work, how to improve on that formula and create new things. Instead devs managed to fall flat on their faces with destiny.

 Rick_1138 wrote:
That was got me, its 1-3 players but you get the distinct impression its designed for 3, so soloing it is a massive pain in the hoop, I have a few mates who play but often they are far away doing different mission and getting together in game is a chore. I'll get it done and I do like the feeling of achievement if you pass a hard bit but if you have to do it 30 times, then it gets old. I was really annoyed to find out when I died the first time I did it, I was only 1 wave from finishing it after seeing a vid online.... :|

I've done everything in the game solo up to and including Nightfall strikes and I absolutely suck at FPS shooters, the game is far, far from being that hard to play.

You should never have to try 30 times to beat a simple lvl 5 story mission.

It looks to me that it could be fun with a group of friends, but otherwise kind of bland

Quite a lot of reviews discussing the game (Forbes has some great ones) and they are basically saying, Yes its a good game, but its almost missing bits that give you direction, i.e. get to level 20 and that's not the end, but you don't get told what to do with motes etc, or that you can buy from different vendors but need different currency. yes folk have found that out but its hardly obvious.

Also the other BIG issue is that once you reach the soft cap of 20, you have already done all the maps and patrols, now you just have to do them again but they will be harder this time...that smacks of something done on the fly, and the hidden areas where you can find ?? level bosses, when you go back and kill them they drop...Nothing! So what is the point of them, they just lead back to a normal area of the map.

I got the expansion pass for 2 DLC packs coming out, I believe the first is in decemeber, the hope is that it has more story\ maps and areas but the general feeling is that its just going to be more skins and maybe a new crucible map. If it is, a Lot of people are going to drop Destiny.

People need to feel like there is a reson to play, deathmatches are all fine and good but games cant survive on that alone without a good fanbase, and destiny is too new to have that loyalty of fans to keep it going, it feels a lot like a Halo skin just now.

At first I was trying to figure out how the different elements were supposed to work since you can't switch weapons on the fly (ala Borderlands) and doing so also effects your ammo then I realized you are supposed to essentially memorize what happens in each strike/raid/heroic and have different elemental layouts to choose before you start. Getting a Legendary of each type sounds like fun. Bleh.

On the other hand I found a Machine Gun named "Zombie Apocalypse", so that is something.

I forgot about the idiotic Exotic Weapon Bounty Quests. I don't mind PvP once in awhile but being forced to do it a lot, or in a scenario that may be impossible for some, is bad design. For example one of them requires you to get 500 points in PvP and you gain the points by killing players with Void damage but you also lose points if you die. If you aren't a PvP monster and don't have 5 friends that will form a 3v3 and just let you kill them repeatedly this will be the suck. Others non PvP parts are fairly unrealistic as well, such as not dieing for five Strikes.

Making kills in PVP is not that hard. Put a Machine Gun in your loadout and wait until it tells you "Heavy Ammo inbound".
There's your five kills

 Ahtman wrote:
At first I was trying to figure out how the different elements were supposed to work since you can't switch weapons on the fly (ala Borderlands) and doing so also effects your ammo then I realized you are supposed to essentially memorize what happens in each strike/raid/heroic and have different elemental layouts to choose before you start. Getting a Legendary of each type sounds like fun. Bleh.

Actually what you need to know is that the different "Heroics" will have different things called "Burns" on. The three types are "Solarburn", "Arcburn", or "Voidburn". You(and the enemy) will deal significantly more damage when using those elements.

On the other hand I found a Machine Gun named "Zombie Apocalypse", so that is something.

Quite a nice MG.

I forgot about the idiotic Exotic Weapon Bounty Quests. I don't mind PvP once in awhile but being forced to do it a lot, or in a scenario that may be impossible for some, is bad design. For example one of them requires you to get 500 points in PvP and you gain the points by killing players with Void damage but you also lose points if you die. If you aren't a PvP monster and don't have 5 friends that will form a 3v3 and just let you kill them repeatedly this will be the suck. Others non PvP parts are fairly unrealistic as well, such as not dieing for five Strikes.

It actually does not count it if you have 5 friends all going in at once now; which is hilarious.

I know the Exotic Weapon Bounty you are referring to, "A Light in the Dark"(for the Exotic Hand Cannon called "Thorn"). It used to be 5 points for a kill, 10 for a headshot, and you lost 4 points per death.

They retained the points total but lowered the death punishment by half. It takes awhile--but with a decent Void Shotgun it goes by quick.

 thenoobbomb wrote:
Making kills in PVP is not that hard. Put a Machine Gun in your loadout and wait until it tells you "Heavy Ammo inbound".
There's your five kills

You need 100 kills with Void damage, and no deaths.

 Ahtman wrote:

 thenoobbomb wrote:
Making kills in PVP is not that hard. Put a Machine Gun in your loadout and wait until it tells you "Heavy Ammo inbound".
There's your five kills

You need 100 kills with Void damage, and no deaths.

Ah, a hundred.

Now that's just stupid.

 Kanluwen wrote:
It takes awhile--but with a decent Void Shotgun it goes by quick.

Unless you are terrible at PvP and/or didn't want to PvP to begin with, at which point it would be incredibly frustrating, not fun, and interminable.

PvP basically boils down to 'Get a shotgun or Plasma Cannon with a quick charge time. Kill things until you can get soem heavy ammo, use that until it's gone, rinse repeat.'

I'm having a fair bit of fun with it, but still. You want me to get 100 head shots with a scout rifle in PvP? Riiiight.

(I should mention, I only use Scout Rifles in PvE).

It has to be Void Damage so headshots with a Scout Rifle wouldn't count toward the total, even if you did get them.

 Ahtman wrote:
It has to be Void Damage so headshots with a Scout Rifle wouldn't count toward the total, even if you did get them.

Sorry if my statement was confusing. I was referencing a bounty on my own game that would appear pretty much impossible with what I know of the PvP.

 Ahtman wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
It takes awhile--but with a decent Void Shotgun it goes by quick.

Unless you are terrible at PvP and/or didn't want to PvP to begin with, at which point it would be incredibly frustrating, not fun, and interminable.

I did the Thorn bounty. I know it's a pain in the neck, especially as a Hunter where weapon damage becomes the only way for you to do the "Void Damage in PvP" portion.

I was just saying that with a decent Void Shotgun, it is absolutely doable. Especially if you play on Control and just cornercamp.

Should you have to do Crucible portions for Exotic bounties? God no. I'm about to do the Crucible portion of Toland's Legacy, where I have to make 5000 points in the Crucible(Warlocks are 75 points while Hunters and Titans are 35 points each but unlike Thorn I do not lose points if I die) and I think it is nonsense that you do not get an either/or option for the Strike and Crucible parts.

 Kanluwen wrote:
Should you have to do Crucible portions for Exotic bounties? God no.

That is really all I have been saying anyway.

I just finished phase 1 of Invectus so now have to get 25 more kills than deaths in PvP so this ought to be a treat.

It's a 25:1 ratio for Invectus...which is stupid.

HOWEVER, getting kills while in a vehicle do not count against you....so spam the Interceptor!


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Also: Don't use rocket launchers during the Exotic Weapon Bounties.

They can(and will) reset your kill counts.

Machine guns are fine, but rockets are too easy.

Is anyone else here playing on PS3? If so, I need some people to run some of the harder strikes with. All my friends have moved on to PS4s and Xbox1s. Feel free to PM me. My name on PSN is Tower019.

I'm available on Xbox 360 with some notice. Gamertag is pbyrne233

I'm playing on the 360 myself, Frankenberry22 for those interested in a terrible wingman, LoL.

 Frankenberry wrote:
I'm playing on the 360 myself, Frankenberry22 for those interested in a terrible wingman, LoL.

Terrible as in you are a low level, or terrible as in you suck at FPS?

Because honestly, the guy who talked me into buying Destiny is level 11 and so-so. So I can't imagine you're too terrible.

Thenoobbomb is level 21, and on Xbox One

 gunslingerpro wrote:

 Frankenberry wrote:
I'm playing on the 360 myself, Frankenberry22 for those interested in a terrible wingman, LoL.

Terrible as in you are a low level, or terrible as in you suck at FPS?

Because honestly, the guy who talked me into buying Destiny is level 11 and so-so. So I can't imagine you're too terrible.

Just self-deprecating humor. I'm not terrible, at least I don't think I am.

Titan is 15 running around Mars annihilating Cabal all willy-nilly. I REALLY need to get my Gold subscription back up and running.