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Nope, but you might be able to do it if you Assault out of an Assault Vehicle after arriving, but its just an idea, I don't have the rule book in front of me. That'd be the closest thing I can think of and using something like a Stormraven would be best I'd imagine

Taffy17 wrote:
Nope, but you might be able to do it if you Assault out of an Assault Vehicle after arriving, but its just an idea, I don't have the rule book in front of me. That'd be the closest thing I can think of and using something like a Stormraven would be best I'd imagine

No this doesn't work. Assault vehicle removes the "can't assault out of transport" clause, not all restrictions in general so the unit still would be suffering from not being able to assault out of reserves.

So the only one unit/formation that can assault after deep striking is the Apocalypse formation The Great Promenade of Exquisite Excess using the special rule Grand Entrance which specifically states can assault after deep striking, right?
Special unique rules for specific units/formations overrides the general rules restriction in the basic rules book, right?
Another example is the Luscious Pattern Dreadnought Drop Pod allowing the dreadnought to assault out of the drop pod in same turn of deep striking using the special specific rule stating that it can thus overriding the basic rule book.

No because none of those rules say that you may "Assault upon entering from reserves", which is the main restriction referred to here.

"A unit cannot charge, or use any abilities or special rules that must be used at the start of the turn, in the turn it arrives from Reserve."

I think blood angel's vanguard vets can still assault after deepstriking. But it's definitely gona be removed with the update. Or has allready been removed with a FAQ but i'm unaware of it.

 koooaei wrote:
I think blood angel's vanguard vets can still assault after deepstriking. But it's definitely gona be removed with the update. Or has allready been removed with a FAQ but i'm unaware of it.

Do they have a rule that lets them Assault after arriving from reserves? Because as i pointed out above:

Nothing can assault upon entering the game from reserves, and as far as i know, there is not a single rule that over-rides this...?

"Glorious intervention" used to allow to charge after deepstriking in 5-th ed codexes. 6-th ed astartes codexes made "Glorious intervention" so that you don't loose attacks on a multi-charge or something like this. But blood angels still have 5-th ed codex.

Blacktalos - it states you may assault the turn you deepstrike, which is enough to override the no assaulting from reserves concept

Nid bits - Lucius no longer has that rule, it now is still an assault vehicle, but does not let you assault first turn. YOu can, however, stay inside the pod for a turn, to get some protection

Yes, the BA Vets have Heroic Intervention. If they have a JP they are allowed to assault they turn they arrive from Reserve from DS.

C H A O S DA E M O N S
THE GREAT PROMENADE OF EXQUISITE EXCESS

When the Dark Prince, Slaanesh, is in the mood for entertainment on a grand scale, he
summons the Masque and surrounds her with a troupe of enraptured Daemonettes.
Their arrival into realspace is accompanied by a great cacophony of sound and light
that can force even the most dour of warriors into a frenzied fit. All is a glorious dance
to the Dark Prince and his minions ...

SPECIAL RULES:

THE SLAUGHTER-DANCE
Attacks with the Rending special rule made by models in this formation strike a critical
blow on a 4 + instead of a 6 .

GRAND ENTRANCE
The formation must be placed in Strategic Reserve and arrive by Deep Strike. Units in
the formation may charge in the Assault phase of the turn they arrive from Strategic
Reserve.


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So The Grand Entrance lets you assault in same turn after deep striking, right?


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Where is the update that the Lucius drop pod rules have changed? I believe you but I want to know where it is

 Nid Bits wrote:

Where is the update that the Lucius drop pod rules have changed? I believe you but I want to know where it is

Imperial Armour Volume Two – Second Edition.

checking it now


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So The Grand Entrance special rule is still valid, right?


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Cool.
I found the entry where the Lucius drop pod was updated.

So the Chaos Daemon Apocalypse formation The Great Promenade of Excess using the Grand Entrance special rule is the only unit left that can assault after deep striking same turn, right?

nosferatu1001 wrote:
Blacktalos - it states you may assault the turn you deepstrike, which is enough to override the no assaulting from reserves concept

Even though the other quoted rule:

 Nid Bits wrote:
GRAND ENTRANCE
The formation must be placed in Strategic Reserve and arrive by Deep Strike. Units in the formation may charge in the Assault phase of the turn they arrive from Strategic Reserve.

Clearly specifies it is allowing Assault from reserves?

I admit you cannot arrive by Deep Strike without arriving from reserves, but is that enough to override it?


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I guess we can just wait for the new BA codex to find out...

Is there any other current example of a similar rule in 7th Ed codexes?

 Nid Bits wrote:
So the Chaos Daemon Apocalypse formation The Great Promenade of Excess using the Grand Entrance special rule is the only unit left that can assault after deep striking same turn, right?

It literally says so, why do you keep asking

From 6th edition rule book onwards they have stated in the rule book that you cannot assault after deep striking same turn.
Apocalypse book came out after 6th editing rule book thus they have that specific rule stated that they can assault when arriving from strategic reserves. Which means it is a unique special rule overriding the general rule found in the basic rule book.


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My comments were directed at Blacktalos
Sorry but just wanted to assist him in interpreting the rules

 BlackTalos wrote:

nosferatu1001 wrote:
Blacktalos - it states you may assault the turn you deepstrike, which is enough to override the no assaulting from reserves concept

Even though the other quoted rule:

 Nid Bits wrote:
GRAND ENTRANCE
The formation must be placed in Strategic Reserve and arrive by Deep Strike. Units in the formation may charge in the Assault phase of the turn they arrive from Strategic Reserve.

Clearly specifies it is allowing Assault from reserves?

I admit you cannot arrive by Deep Strike without arriving from reserves, but is that enough to override it?

How much can you hold on to an argument that's been proven false?
Just fething admit it, it allows assault after deepstrike and obviously overrides the codex ruling.

Elysians have a combat drop ability that allows them to deep strike and assault on the same turn if they forgo shooting.

DaPino wrote:
How much can you hold on to an argument that's been proven false?
Just fething admit it, it allows assault after deepstrike and obviously overrides the codex ruling.

You can't prove anything without quoting rules, Tenet 1.
I have seen no rules quoted saying so and i am only taking Nosferatu's word for it.

Is there a problem if I ask about more detail on it?

 BlackTalos wrote:

DaPino wrote:
How much can you hold on to an argument that's been proven false?
Just fething admit it, it allows assault after deepstrike and obviously overrides the codex ruling.

You can't prove anything without quoting rules, Tenet 1.
I have seen no rules quoted saying so and i am only taking Nosferatu's word for it.

Is there a problem if I ask about more detail on it?

Space wolves formation

FALL UPON THE FOE
All units in the formation are allowed to charge on the turn they arrive from Strategic
Reserve.

BA asset

Blood Angels are renowned for the ferocity of their aerial assaults.
Discard this card at the start of any Imperial turn. Friendly Blood Angels
units that Deep Strike this turn (or disembark from Deep Striking
Transports) may charge this turn.

BLOOD FROM THE SKIES

Blood Angels. Strategic Resource .
Discard this card at the start of any Imperial turn. Friendly Blood Angels units that
Deep Strike this turn (or disembark from Deep Striking Transports) may charge this
turn.



Ork strom boys formation

CORKSCREW DIVE
Any unit of Stormboyz in the Stormer Elite may charge on the turn it enters play. If a
unit opts to do so, remove D3 Stormer Elites from that unit at the beginning of the
Fight sub-phase as crash-landing casualties.


+ Daemonettes formation

GRAND ENTRANCE
The formation must be placed in Strategic Reserve and arrive by Deep Strike. Units in
the formation may charge in the Assault phase of the turn they arrive from Strategic
Reserve.

+ SM asset from damnos

all sm may charge of the turn they arrive from Reserve

+ Scouts formation

DISRUPTION ATTACKS
Units from this formation may charge on the same turn that they enter play from
Strategic Reserve.

+ BA vanguards

+ Arkos (Alpha idependent character from IAA2013) fines hour

All warband formation may DP without scater, move, shoot and charge.

I think may be other

Planet Strike also allows you to charge after Deep Strike.

So apocalypse formations...........


Not regular 40k.

formations arent just for apocalypse anymore homeboy.

chaos0xomega wrote:
formations arent just for apocalypse anymore homeboy.

Yes, there are general formations that work in standiard 40k, but as far as I know, Apocalyse formations are still restricted to Apocalypse...homeboy.

chaos0xomega wrote:
formations arent just for apocalypse anymore homeboy.

apocalypse formations - only for apoc.
regular formations - for standard vanilla 40k and apoc.

 Darog wrote:

 BlackTalos wrote:

DaPino wrote:
How much can you hold on to an argument that's been proven false?
Just fething admit it, it allows assault after deepstrike and obviously overrides the codex ruling.

You can't prove anything without quoting rules, Tenet 1.
I have seen no rules quoted saying so and i am only taking Nosferatu's word for it.

Is there a problem if I ask about more detail on it?

Space wolves formation

FALL UPON THE FOE
All units in the formation are allowed to charge on the turn they arrive from Strategic
Reserve.

BA asset

Blood Angels are renowned for the ferocity of their aerial assaults.
Discard this card at the start of any Imperial turn. Friendly Blood Angels
units that Deep Strike this turn (or disembark from Deep Striking
Transports) may charge this turn.

BLOOD FROM THE SKIES

Blood Angels. Strategic Resource .
Discard this card at the start of any Imperial turn. Friendly Blood Angels units that
Deep Strike this turn (or disembark from Deep Striking Transports) may charge this
turn.



Ork strom boys formation

CORKSCREW DIVE
Any unit of Stormboyz in the Stormer Elite may charge on the turn it enters play. If a
unit opts to do so, remove D3 Stormer Elites from that unit at the beginning of the
Fight sub-phase as crash-landing casualties.


+ Daemonettes formation

GRAND ENTRANCE
The formation must be placed in Strategic Reserve and arrive by Deep Strike. Units in
the formation may charge in the Assault phase of the turn they arrive from Strategic
Reserve.

+ SM asset from damnos

all sm may charge of the turn they arrive from Reserve

+ Scouts formation

DISRUPTION ATTACKS
Units from this formation may charge on the same turn that they enter play from
Strategic Reserve.

+ BA vanguards

+ Arkos (Alpha idependent character from IAA2013) fines hour

All warband formation may DP without scater, move, shoot and charge.

I think may be other

Thanks a lot for that!

Much clearer now, but i still think there might be an issue with the Red, because all the Orange parts are very clear. They all say "arrives from reserves" but red says Deep Strike.

I know Deep Striking is almost always entering from reserves, but the same argument from the Wall of Death Thread applies here.
1) You cannot assault when you arrive by Deep Strike.
2) You cannot assault when you arrive from Reserves.

Does "Deep Strike this turn (...) may charge this turn." allow to cover 1. and 2. ?
I suppose that if it does not, you could argue that the Orange parts do not tell you you can "assault after Deep Strike" so would not work either?
And then no one could assault and that would break RAI...

 BlackTalos wrote:

 Darog wrote:

 BlackTalos wrote:

DaPino wrote:
How much can you hold on to an argument that's been proven false?
Just fething admit it, it allows assault after deepstrike and obviously overrides the codex ruling.

You can't prove anything without quoting rules, Tenet 1.
I have seen no rules quoted saying so and i am only taking Nosferatu's word for it.

Is there a problem if I ask about more detail on it?

Space wolves formation

FALL UPON THE FOE
All units in the formation are allowed to charge on the turn they arrive from Strategic
Reserve.

BA asset

Blood Angels are renowned for the ferocity of their aerial assaults.
Discard this card at the start of any Imperial turn. Friendly Blood Angels
units that Deep Strike this turn (or disembark from Deep Striking
Transports) may charge this turn.

BLOOD FROM THE SKIES

Blood Angels. Strategic Resource .
Discard this card at the start of any Imperial turn. Friendly Blood Angels units that
Deep Strike this turn (or disembark from Deep Striking Transports) may charge this
turn.



Ork strom boys formation

CORKSCREW DIVE
Any unit of Stormboyz in the Stormer Elite may charge on the turn it enters play. If a
unit opts to do so, remove D3 Stormer Elites from that unit at the beginning of the
Fight sub-phase as crash-landing casualties.


+ Daemonettes formation

GRAND ENTRANCE
The formation must be placed in Strategic Reserve and arrive by Deep Strike. Units in
the formation may charge in the Assault phase of the turn they arrive from Strategic
Reserve.

+ SM asset from damnos

all sm may charge of the turn they arrive from Reserve

+ Scouts formation

DISRUPTION ATTACKS
Units from this formation may charge on the same turn that they enter play from
Strategic Reserve.

+ BA vanguards

+ Arkos (Alpha idependent character from IAA2013) fines hour

All warband formation may DP without scater, move, shoot and charge.

I think may be other

Thanks a lot for that!

Much clearer now, but i still think there might be an issue with the Red, because all the Orange parts are very clear. They all say "arrives from reserves" but red says Deep Strike.

I know Deep Striking is almost always entering from reserves, but the same argument from the Wall of Death Thread applies here.
1) You cannot assault when you arrive by Deep Strike.
2) You cannot assault when you arrive from Reserves.

Does "Deep Strike this turn (...) may charge this turn." allow to cover 1. and 2. ?
I suppose that if it does not, you could argue that the Orange parts do not tell you you can "assault after Deep Strike" so would not work either?
And then no one could assault and that would break RAI...

This is why I personally believe that when it comes to rules arguments it's 70% gw bad writing. And 30% that guys being that guy.


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For those that don't know who that guy is.

chaos0xomega wrote:
formations arent just for apocalypse anymore homeboy.

The Apocolypse Formations are.

 BlackTalos wrote:
Thanks a lot for that!

Much clearer now, but i still think there might be an issue with the Red, because all the Orange parts are very clear. They all say "arrives from reserves" but red says Deep Strike.

I know Deep Striking is almost always entering from reserves, but the same argument from the Wall of Death Thread applies here.
1) You cannot assault when you arrive by Deep Strike.
2) You cannot assault when you arrive from Reserves.

Does "Deep Strike this turn (...) may charge this turn." allow to cover 1. and 2. ?
I suppose that if it does not, you could argue that the Orange parts do not tell you you can "assault after Deep Strike" so would not work either?
And then no one could assault and that would break RAI...

Dude, seriously. It's a more specific rule allowing you to surpass the general position of the book (can't assault from reservers/deep strike). specific trumps general, and it's quite clear the purpose of those rules in BA codex. Have you seen any BA player being unable to charge with his VVs after deepstriking, as long as they possess jump packs? Not only that, but Descent of Angels make their DS as 1d6 scatter.

Is it necessary to nitpick over the obviously RAI and not so unclear RAW?