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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/10/02 13:22:41
Subject: Re:has the imprium ever captured xenos tech?
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Wise Ethereal with Bodyguard
Catskills in NYS
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And that is the imperium in a nutshell.
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Homosexuality is the #1 cause of gay marriage.
kronk wrote:Every pizza is a personal sized pizza if you try hard enough and believe in yourself.
sebster wrote:Yes, indeed. What a terrible piece of cultural imperialism it is for me to say that a country shouldn't murder its own citizens BaronIveagh wrote:Basically they went from a carrot and stick to a smaller carrot and flanged mace. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/10/02 13:33:14
Subject: has the imprium ever captured xenos tech?
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Mighty Vampire Count
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Happyjew wrote:Even if the Imperium captured Xenos tech, using it or even studying it would be Heresy.
Except for Yarrick. The Inquisition does NOT mess around with that guy.
Well its def Heresy and not done, well except for :
All the various Astartes Chapters that use captured or trophy weapons
All the various Inquisitors who use the same plus those bought or received in trade etc
All the various Rogue Traders who use the same
All the various Guard veterans who use Xenos weaponry on a given campaign
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I AM A MARINE PLAYER
"Unimaginably ancient xenos artefact somewhere on the planet, hive fleet poised above our heads, hidden 'stealer broods making an early start....and now a bloody Chaos cult crawling out of the woodwork just in case we were bored. Welcome to my world, Ciaphas."
Inquisitor Amberley Vail, Ordo Xenos
"I will admit that some Primachs like Russ or Horus could have a chance against an unarmed 12 year old novice but, a full Battle Sister??!! One to one? In close combat? Perhaps three Primarchs fighting together... but just one Primarch?" da001
www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/528517.page
A Bloody Road - my Warhammer Fantasy Fiction |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/10/02 13:38:15
Subject: Re:has the imprium ever captured xenos tech?
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Wise Ethereal with Bodyguard
Catskills in NYS
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Well, you can't really include rouge traders, they are free from all imperial laws (and rich enough to get away with it).
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Homosexuality is the #1 cause of gay marriage.
kronk wrote:Every pizza is a personal sized pizza if you try hard enough and believe in yourself.
sebster wrote:Yes, indeed. What a terrible piece of cultural imperialism it is for me to say that a country shouldn't murder its own citizens BaronIveagh wrote:Basically they went from a carrot and stick to a smaller carrot and flanged mace. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/10/02 13:43:17
Subject: has the imprium ever captured xenos tech?
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Mighty Vampire Count
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They are still subject to Imperial law when within Imperial space and will be inspected/debriefed etc as the Ordo Xenos sees fit.
Only the Inquisition is truly immune to the Imperial law and then only as long as their peers do not challenge them successfully.
Many Astartes Chapters act like they are immune to Imperial law as does the Adeptus Mechancius which tends to pay lip service.
Imperial Governors and nobles also tend to buy and use Xemos tech which is often overlooked as long as its not too obvious or until there is a purge.
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I AM A MARINE PLAYER
"Unimaginably ancient xenos artefact somewhere on the planet, hive fleet poised above our heads, hidden 'stealer broods making an early start....and now a bloody Chaos cult crawling out of the woodwork just in case we were bored. Welcome to my world, Ciaphas."
Inquisitor Amberley Vail, Ordo Xenos
"I will admit that some Primachs like Russ or Horus could have a chance against an unarmed 12 year old novice but, a full Battle Sister??!! One to one? In close combat? Perhaps three Primarchs fighting together... but just one Primarch?" da001
www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/528517.page
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/10/02 13:47:39
Subject: Re:has the imprium ever captured xenos tech?
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Wise Ethereal with Bodyguard
Catskills in NYS
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Myaybe I shoud be more specific, they are still under imperial law, but are powerful enough to generally get way with it.
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Homosexuality is the #1 cause of gay marriage.
kronk wrote:Every pizza is a personal sized pizza if you try hard enough and believe in yourself.
sebster wrote:Yes, indeed. What a terrible piece of cultural imperialism it is for me to say that a country shouldn't murder its own citizens BaronIveagh wrote:Basically they went from a carrot and stick to a smaller carrot and flanged mace. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/10/02 13:49:36
Subject: has the imprium ever captured xenos tech?
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Grim Dark Angels Interrogator-Chaplain
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Kill the Xenos! But let's loot that tech after! lol.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/10/02 14:29:37
Subject: Re:has the imprium ever captured xenos tech?
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Mighty Vampire Count
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Co'tor Shas wrote:Myaybe I shoud be more specific, they are still under imperial law, but are powerful enough to generally get way with it.
Unless the Ordo Xenos decide they aren't
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I AM A MARINE PLAYER
"Unimaginably ancient xenos artefact somewhere on the planet, hive fleet poised above our heads, hidden 'stealer broods making an early start....and now a bloody Chaos cult crawling out of the woodwork just in case we were bored. Welcome to my world, Ciaphas."
Inquisitor Amberley Vail, Ordo Xenos
"I will admit that some Primachs like Russ or Horus could have a chance against an unarmed 12 year old novice but, a full Battle Sister??!! One to one? In close combat? Perhaps three Primarchs fighting together... but just one Primarch?" da001
www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/528517.page
A Bloody Road - my Warhammer Fantasy Fiction |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/10/02 14:31:26
Subject: Re:has the imprium ever captured xenos tech?
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Wise Ethereal with Bodyguard
Catskills in NYS
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Mr Morden wrote: Co'tor Shas wrote:Myaybe I shoud be more specific, they are still under imperial law, but are powerful enough to generally get way with it.
Unless the Ordo Xenos decide they aren't 
Now that would be an interesting fight.
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Homosexuality is the #1 cause of gay marriage.
kronk wrote:Every pizza is a personal sized pizza if you try hard enough and believe in yourself.
sebster wrote:Yes, indeed. What a terrible piece of cultural imperialism it is for me to say that a country shouldn't murder its own citizens BaronIveagh wrote:Basically they went from a carrot and stick to a smaller carrot and flanged mace. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/10/02 14:41:00
Subject: Re:has the imprium ever captured xenos tech?
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Mighty Vampire Count
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Well its not likely to go that far as the RT will be imperial port and the Inquisitor will simply board the ship to say hello (under the guns of the Navy / star port) and inspect the cargo etc - if they want to resist they need to have the right favours to call in with the Inquisitors peers or be prepared to go renegade................
A number of examples in the fluff of Inquisitors using their complete leverage in RT to get them to act as they want - in fact in the C Cain books, its even mentioned as in universe cliché that Inquisitors often pose as R Traders
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I AM A MARINE PLAYER
"Unimaginably ancient xenos artefact somewhere on the planet, hive fleet poised above our heads, hidden 'stealer broods making an early start....and now a bloody Chaos cult crawling out of the woodwork just in case we were bored. Welcome to my world, Ciaphas."
Inquisitor Amberley Vail, Ordo Xenos
"I will admit that some Primachs like Russ or Horus could have a chance against an unarmed 12 year old novice but, a full Battle Sister??!! One to one? In close combat? Perhaps three Primarchs fighting together... but just one Primarch?" da001
www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/528517.page
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/10/02 14:47:09
Subject: has the imprium ever captured xenos tech?
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Committed Chaos Cult Marine
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/10/02 14:47:39
Subject: has the imprium ever captured xenos tech?
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Grim Dark Angels Interrogator-Chaplain
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Don't you mean Blood Magpies?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/10/02 15:09:44
Subject: has the imprium ever captured xenos tech?
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Confessor Of Sins
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EmpNortonII wrote:Reading the description for the EMP grenade in Deathwatch, it is clear that:
1) it is rare, even in the Deathwatch
2) Said technology isn't a reverse-engineered version of a Tau or Eldar or Dark Eldar haywire grenade- it's the actual Tau or Eldar or Dark Eldar grenade.
Well, if there's few people that need it... why not use the stockpiles of captured xenos grenades? Taking out the filthy scum with their own weapons is adding insult to injury, which I guess the IoM is prefectly fine with.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/10/02 15:34:37
Subject: has the imprium ever captured xenos tech?
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The Conquerer
Waiting for my shill money from Spiral Arm Studios
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SGTPozy wrote:The Dreadknight is based on Tau tech, so yeah they do use Xeno tech (just look at those feet and tell me they aren't based on Tau suit's feet)
No. The Dreadknight predates the Tau discovering fire.
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Self-proclaimed evil Cat-person. Dues Ex Felines
Cato Sicarius, after force feeding Captain Ventris a copy of the Codex Astartes for having the audacity to play Deathwatch, chokes to death on his own D-baggery after finding Calgar assembling his new Eldar army.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/10/02 15:36:21
Subject: has the imprium ever captured xenos tech?
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Wise Ethereal with Bodyguard
Catskills in NYS
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Grey Templar wrote:SGTPozy wrote:The Dreadknight is based on Tau tech, so yeah they do use Xeno tech (just look at those feet and tell me they aren't based on Tau suit's feet)
No. The Dreadknight predates the Tau discovering fire.
Wasn't the dreadknight from an incomplete STC template?
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Homosexuality is the #1 cause of gay marriage.
kronk wrote:Every pizza is a personal sized pizza if you try hard enough and believe in yourself.
sebster wrote:Yes, indeed. What a terrible piece of cultural imperialism it is for me to say that a country shouldn't murder its own citizens BaronIveagh wrote:Basically they went from a carrot and stick to a smaller carrot and flanged mace. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/10/02 15:41:22
Subject: has the imprium ever captured xenos tech?
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The Conquerer
Waiting for my shill money from Spiral Arm Studios
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Co'tor Shas wrote: Grey Templar wrote:SGTPozy wrote:The Dreadknight is based on Tau tech, so yeah they do use Xeno tech (just look at those feet and tell me they aren't based on Tau suit's feet)
No. The Dreadknight predates the Tau discovering fire.
Wasn't the dreadknight from an incomplete STC template?
No specifics as to the Dreadknights origins are stated, other than a vague reference to being related to Knight Titan technology.
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Self-proclaimed evil Cat-person. Dues Ex Felines
Cato Sicarius, after force feeding Captain Ventris a copy of the Codex Astartes for having the audacity to play Deathwatch, chokes to death on his own D-baggery after finding Calgar assembling his new Eldar army.
MURICA!!! IN SPESS!!! |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/10/02 15:45:01
Subject: has the imprium ever captured xenos tech?
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Wise Ethereal with Bodyguard
Catskills in NYS
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Grey Templar wrote: Co'tor Shas wrote: Grey Templar wrote:SGTPozy wrote:The Dreadknight is based on Tau tech, so yeah they do use Xeno tech (just look at those feet and tell me they aren't based on Tau suit's feet)
No. The Dreadknight predates the Tau discovering fire.
Wasn't the dreadknight from an incomplete STC template?
No specifics as to the Dreadknights origins are stated, other than a vague reference to being related to Knight Titan technology.
Huh. I guess it's best to assume it's ans STC template, either that or they found a cache of them or something.
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Homosexuality is the #1 cause of gay marriage.
kronk wrote:Every pizza is a personal sized pizza if you try hard enough and believe in yourself.
sebster wrote:Yes, indeed. What a terrible piece of cultural imperialism it is for me to say that a country shouldn't murder its own citizens BaronIveagh wrote:Basically they went from a carrot and stick to a smaller carrot and flanged mace. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/10/02 15:50:26
Subject: has the imprium ever captured xenos tech?
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The Conquerer
Waiting for my shill money from Spiral Arm Studios
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Well it wouldn't have to be an STC.
TDA and PA don't have an STC. Nor do Nemesis Force Weapons.
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Self-proclaimed evil Cat-person. Dues Ex Felines
Cato Sicarius, after force feeding Captain Ventris a copy of the Codex Astartes for having the audacity to play Deathwatch, chokes to death on his own D-baggery after finding Calgar assembling his new Eldar army.
MURICA!!! IN SPESS!!! |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/10/02 15:58:08
Subject: Re:has the imprium ever captured xenos tech?
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Wise Ethereal with Bodyguard
Catskills in NYS
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How do they make them then, are they hand-crafted?
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Homosexuality is the #1 cause of gay marriage.
kronk wrote:Every pizza is a personal sized pizza if you try hard enough and believe in yourself.
sebster wrote:Yes, indeed. What a terrible piece of cultural imperialism it is for me to say that a country shouldn't murder its own citizens BaronIveagh wrote:Basically they went from a carrot and stick to a smaller carrot and flanged mace. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/10/02 15:59:59
Subject: has the imprium ever captured xenos tech?
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The Conquerer
Waiting for my shill money from Spiral Arm Studios
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Maybe hand assembled.
NFWs might be hand forged, except for the electronic components.
Not having an STC simply means it was invented after STCs were no longer being made.
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Self-proclaimed evil Cat-person. Dues Ex Felines
Cato Sicarius, after force feeding Captain Ventris a copy of the Codex Astartes for having the audacity to play Deathwatch, chokes to death on his own D-baggery after finding Calgar assembling his new Eldar army.
MURICA!!! IN SPESS!!! |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/10/02 18:30:14
Subject: has the imprium ever captured xenos tech?
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Gore-Soaked Lunatic Witchhunter
Seattle
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Force Weapons are all ritually handcrafted. That's part of the whole schtick to bearing one. You are a Bad Enough Dude-Psyker to warrant a master weaponsmith creating one for you. The psi-reactive circuitry (which might be crystalline, based on some descriptions) is woven into the matrix of the blade, etched with sacred runes and alloyed with psi-reactive metals, given a whole bunch of gilt and bling, and then handed off to someone who can kill you by thinking about it.
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It is best to be a pessimist. You are usually right and, when you're wrong, you're pleasantly surprised. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/10/02 18:39:27
Subject: has the imprium ever captured xenos tech?
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Stone Bonkers Fabricator General
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Grey Templar wrote:
Not having an STC simply means it was invented after STCs were no longer being made.
or were something that was too unique/special/powerful to be made into an STC back in the day.
There arent STCs for Battleships I believe, some of them were build way back in the DAoT or age of strife, but in any event there was no STC for them because at the time they werent churning them out at a high rate.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/10/02 18:41:07
Subject: has the imprium ever captured xenos tech?
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Gore-Soaked Lunatic Witchhunter
Seattle
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Also not something a human colonist would need or, in most cases, be capable of using. If your autofactory spits out a four-kilometer long spaceship onto the factory floor, you've crushed your STC machine, as well as your colony.
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It is best to be a pessimist. You are usually right and, when you're wrong, you're pleasantly surprised. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/10/02 18:46:01
Subject: has the imprium ever captured xenos tech?
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Shas'ui with Bonding Knife
The Internet- where men are men, women are men, and kids are undercover cops
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PhillyT wrote: EmpNortonII wrote:
That depends on what you mean by that.
Reading the description for the EMP grenade in Deathwatch, it is clear that:
1) it is rare, even in the Deathwatch, for alien technology to be issued... and that's in the Deathwatch. Claims it happens all the time, even in the upper echelons, are in conflict with fluff
2) Said technology isn't a reverse-engineered version of a Tau or Eldar or Dark Eldar haywire grenade- it's the actual Tau or Eldar or Dark Eldar grenade. Humans can figure out how to push the detonator or pull a trigger, but humanity lacks the technical know-how to actually reverse-engineer xenos weapons and mass-produce them.
That is completely false.
Should be page 157.
Read it and weep. Wishful thinking and C.S. Goto novels do not fluff make.
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Gods, I need to play through DoW 2 again. There's some funny stuff in that game.
For a long while, before I settled on Tau, my plan was to do a Blood Ravens chapter assembled from already-painted models purchased on Ebay that would be painted over incompletely enough that you could tell which chapters all of their tanks and power armor originally belonged to.
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Jon Garrett wrote:Perhaps not technically a Marine Chapter anymore, but the Flame Falcons would be pretty creepy to fight.
"Boss, we waz out lookin' for grub when some of them Spice Marines showed up and shot all the lads."
"Right. Well, did you at least use the burnas?"
"We tried, but the gits was already on fire."
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/10/02 20:58:19
Subject: has the imprium ever captured xenos tech?
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Growlin' Guntrukk Driver with Killacannon
USA, Maine
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It specifically says that it cannot be reverse engineered because humans lack the technological know how?
We understand and can utilize EMP weapons in the year 2014. The idea that 38,000 later we would be baffled doesn't hold water.
Apparently the vaunted tau can't make sense of a melta bomb since they don't have them. Just too confusing...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/10/02 21:12:59
Subject: has the imprium ever captured xenos tech?
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Trustworthy Shas'vre
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lazer swords FTW? I don't suppose that anyone has yet built a Gue'vasa army with an AM\IG FOC? Infantry platoons with Pulse Rifles, Devilfish for Chimeras, Crisis Suits in place of Sentinels, Hammerheads rather than Leman Russes?
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'No plan survives contact with the enemy. Who are we?'
'THE ENEMY!!!'
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/10/02 21:19:49
Subject: has the imprium ever captured xenos tech?
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Gore-Soaked Lunatic Witchhunter
Seattle
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The Sollex-pattern power sword is, basically, a lightsaber. It has no physical blade, just a blade-like projection of matter-destroying energy.
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It is best to be a pessimist. You are usually right and, when you're wrong, you're pleasantly surprised. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/10/02 21:22:37
Subject: has the imprium ever captured xenos tech?
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Ancient Venerable Dark Angels Dreadnought
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PhillyT wrote:It specifically says that it cannot be reverse engineered because humans lack the technological know how?
We understand and can utilize EMP weapons in the year 2014. The idea that 38,000 later we would be baffled doesn't hold water.
Apparently the vaunted tau can't make sense of a melta bomb since they don't have them. Just too confusing...
Also note as well that Tau EMP grenades shouldn't actually do anything to any military tech. They're too small to generate an EMP capable of going through EMP hardening.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/10/02 21:25:37
Subject: has the imprium ever captured xenos tech?
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Gore-Soaked Lunatic Witchhunter
Seattle
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EMP grenades are a Rule of Cool thing for everyone.
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It is best to be a pessimist. You are usually right and, when you're wrong, you're pleasantly surprised. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/10/02 21:26:36
Subject: has the imprium ever captured xenos tech?
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Hallowed Canoness
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Not to mention that EMP weapons shouldn't work against Eldar vehicles at all, since they use crystals and psi-power in place of metals and electrics.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/10/02 21:29:04
Subject: has the imprium ever captured xenos tech?
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Growlin' Guntrukk Driver with Killacannon
USA, Maine
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Tau have EMP for the same reason they don't have meltabombs and visa versa: Because it is a techno way to deal with vehicles that fits the anime style of tau.
Imperials basically just scratch their head as to why you wouldn't just fry the thing with a melta bomb.
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