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Scourges (Haywire Blasters or Heat Lances), Reavers with Caltrops, and Corpsethief Claws with Invisibility. Also allied Eldar.

So basically scourges with haywire. Everything else will just get stomped and killed

If you're running a MSU list then a Knight really isn't that much of a threat. I'd be tempted to ignore it and kill the other stuff in the list.

Also I think a couple Venoms full of blasterborn are decent. Or blasterborn coming out of a Webway portal with an Archon w/blaster, rear arc where the shield doesn't work.

mercury14 wrote:
If you're running a MSU list then a Knight really isn't that much of a threat. I'd be tempted to ignore it and kill the other stuff in the list.

Also I think a couple Venoms full of blasterborn are decent. Or blasterborn coming out of a Webway portal with an Archon w/blaster, rear arc where the shield doesn't work.

Someone said today the knight player gets to decide where the shield faces during your shooting phase? So I guess that's less than reliable.

Allied Fire Dragons or Dark Reaper in a gunboat would be my pick for the best solution, honestly.

 Jimsolo wrote:

mercury14 wrote:
If you're running a MSU list then a Knight really isn't that much of a threat. I'd be tempted to ignore it and kill the other stuff in the list.

Also I think a couple Venoms full of blasterborn are decent. Or blasterborn coming out of a Webway portal with an Archon w/blaster, rear arc where the shield doesn't work.

Someone said today the knight player gets to decide where the shield faces during your shooting phase? So I guess that's less than reliable.

Allied Fire Dragons or Dark Reaper in a gunboat would be my pick for the best solution, honestly.

IIRC, they still can't position the shield in the rear arc.

mercury14 wrote:

 Jimsolo wrote:

mercury14 wrote:
If you're running a MSU list then a Knight really isn't that much of a threat. I'd be tempted to ignore it and kill the other stuff in the list.

Also I think a couple Venoms full of blasterborn are decent. Or blasterborn coming out of a Webway portal with an Archon w/blaster, rear arc where the shield doesn't work.

Someone said today the knight player gets to decide where the shield faces during your shooting phase? So I guess that's less than reliable.

Allied Fire Dragons or Dark Reaper in a gunboat would be my pick for the best solution, honestly.

IIRC, they still can't position the shield in the rear arc.

Ithink there is only one Knight that cant put the shield on the rear arc. all the other knights can , but I dont have the codex to actually check it up, going off what my friends are telling me

The basic Knights most assuredly can shield rear arc. Maybe one/some of the Forgeworld ones cannot, but I certainly haven't faced all of them, so I dunno.

@Jimsolo - also, yes, they most assuredly get to face them at the start of the opponent's shooting phase.

Hi guys thought I'd share these two guides I wrote recently.

The Pragmatic Realspace Raider: Objective Placement

The Pragmatic Realspace Raider: Blocking with Raiders

Hope people find them useful.

 Thor665 wrote:
The basic Knights most assuredly can shield rear arc. Maybe one/some of the Forgeworld ones cannot, but I certainly haven't faced all of them, so I dunno.

You're thinking of the Cerastus Knight.
http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Downloads/Product/PDF/L/lancer.pdf

Play MSU and avoid them best you can is the best answer.

So in my game yesterday, my unit of 4 Grotesques and a Succubus were assaulted by a Flyrant and insta-deathed it, losing no models. Then on my turn they assaulted a Carnifex and insta-deathed it too before it could even act. Grotesques are superb...

Lol, I think that particular encounter might not be representative of their performance on the whole. But I agree that they are awesome sauce in this edition.

I can't say I'm too surprised by how well the Grotesques did. Maybe surprised that they killed the Flyrant in one turn, but that is a matchup that favors the Grots. In close combat, the only thing they really fear are Str 10 attacks/Instant Death and/or Force weapons. I still kind of get the sense that Grots are a little under the radar in terms of how good they are, at least to people who don't play Dark Eldar. I've had a few opponents be unpleasantly surprised by what Grots did to their deathstar units when they got their hands on them.

Well I can see the pessimism covered in this thread about DE in a competitive environment. But I have some good news for the hardcore DE junkie. I actually came up with a pretty gossamer (pun intended) list that shocked the hell out of my buddy (I was using his minis), and in the process got him excited about DE again. Let's just say the list tabled him on turn one...

I've been seeing battle reports of DE null deployment lists using an allied Autarch and Scalpel squadrons. I'm scratching my head as to how this is legal though, given the rules saying at least half your units have to be deployed. Can someone comment?

mercury14 wrote:
I've been seeing battle reports of DE null deployment lists using an allied Autarch and Scalpel squadrons. I'm scratching my head as to how this is legal though, given the rules saying at least half your units have to be deployed. Can someone comment?

Because in 7th edition you no longer are required to have half your army deployed.

mercury14 wrote:
I've been seeing battle reports of DE null deployment lists using an allied Autarch and Scalpel squadrons. I'm scratching my head as to how this is legal though, given the rules saying at least half your units have to be deployed. Can someone comment?

You aren't required to deploy half, just have models on the board at the end of the turn. And since the Scalpel Squadron deploys 1st turn, it's no problem. (Personally, I think Autarchs are a waste in thes builds, but that's up to taste.)

I don't think Autarchs are a waste because paired with Reaver Jetbikes they make a very hard hitting unit, the Autarch can tank shots at the reavers as well. Plus the Reavers give the Autarch hit and run. Lance, Banshee Mask, Fusion gun, Jetbike and you are GTG with the Autarch.

That's the first good Autarch build I've seen; thanks for that. That being said, I think a Farseer or two would bring more to the table.

I have my Autarch in a similar role, but cheaper with only a jetbike and lance. Or if I'm feeling indulgent I'll take the Celestial Lance from the Iyanden book. Path of Strategy really helps with my Razorwing and deep-striking Scourges (and sometimes Blasterborn).

mercury14 wrote:
I've been seeing battle reports of DE null deployment lists using an allied Autarch and Scalpel squadrons. I'm scratching my head as to how this is legal though, given the rules saying at least half your units have to be deployed. Can someone comment?

I won't give it all away, but hinges on the scalpel strike plus an Archon deathstar. You need to tie a corsair detachment in this list to make it work seamlessly.

I have a strong feeling its not actually legal.

if it involves attaching anything to the scalpel squadrons and DSing them turn 1 its not legal, as the attached models are not units from that formation[the scalpel squadron].

 Jimsolo wrote:
That's the first good Autarch build I've seen; thanks for that. That being said, I think a Farseer or two would bring more to the table.

It's cheap too, 120 total I think. If you drop the fusion gun and the Lance, and go with a Celestial Lance he's like 130 total, still gets a ST8 shot that's a lance and hits with a ST6 AP2.

So add in

6 - 9 Reaver Jetbikes with Caltrops and Heat Lances , throw that in there. Boom.

You're getting 2D6 ST6 Rending and 4 ST6 AP3 hits, in addition that you've got a Fusion gun and 2 to 3 melta guns.

A Autaurch w/ that build and 6 Reaver jetbikes with 2 Lances and 2 Caltoprs comes to a paltry 266.

blaktoof wrote:
I have a strong feeling its not actually legal.

if it involves attaching anything to the scalpel squadrons and DSing them turn 1 its not legal, as the attached models are not units from that formation[the scalpel squadron].

Nothing is attached to the formation, they just back up the alpha strike DS. Corsairs are the key though.

The formation lends to the build either by tying up shooty threats or punishing a hard target by aiding the DS.

Hollismason wrote:

 Jimsolo wrote:
That's the first good Autarch build I've seen; thanks for that. That being said, I think a Farseer or two would bring more to the table.

It's cheap too, 120 total I think. If you drop the fusion gun and the Lance, and go with a Celestial Lance he's like 130 total, still gets a ST8 shot that's a lance and hits with a ST6 AP2.

So add in

6 - 9 Reaver Jetbikes with Caltrops and Heat Lances , throw that in there. Boom.

You're getting 2D6 ST6 Rending and 4 ST6 AP3 hits, in addition that you've got a Fusion gun and 2 to 3 melta guns.

A Autaurch w/ that build and 6 Reaver jetbikes with 2 Lances and 2 Caltoprs comes to a paltry 266.

Definitely not awful. I just can't get past using an Eldar HQ slot and not getting a Telepathy Farseer (especially since we're talking about going Covens anyway).

 Nyghoma wrote:

mercury14 wrote:
I've been seeing battle reports of DE null deployment lists using an allied Autarch and Scalpel squadrons. I'm scratching my head as to how this is legal though, given the rules saying at least half your units have to be deployed. Can someone comment?

I won't give it all away, but hinges on the scalpel strike plus an Archon deathstar. You need to tie a corsair detachment in this list to make it work seamlessly.

What would a Corsair CAD bring other than more deep striking?

I'm surprised not to see more Dark Eldar armies with allied in Hornets and shadow weavers.

Hollismason wrote:
I'm surprised not to see more Dark Eldar armies with allied in Hornets and shadow weavers.

A lot of folks are still allergic to Forgeworld. It's really odd to me.

 Sinful Hero wrote:

Hollismason wrote:
I'm surprised not to see more Dark Eldar armies with allied in Hornets and shadow weavers.

A lot of folks are still allergic to Forgeworld. It's really odd to me.

The price is egregious. And secondhand minis are difficult to obtain, at least moreso than standard plastic ones.

 Jimsolo wrote:

 Sinful Hero wrote:

Hollismason wrote:
I'm surprised not to see more Dark Eldar armies with allied in Hornets and shadow weavers.

A lot of folks are still allergic to Forgeworld. It's really odd to me.

The price is egregious. And secondhand minis are difficult to obtain, at least moreso than standard plastic ones.

As GW gets more and more expensive Forgeworld becomes less and less outrageous if you want to stay in the hobby. Not to mention that they have some awesome sculpts, and fun units.