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Very effective. I like to add some psychic support, but I like DE being the durable multi-wound power house army.

Yep. A Grotesquerie and/or a Dark Artisan supported by Venoms, Ravagers, Scourges, and Razorwings is a very effective DE build. I'm really curious to see how Frankie from Frontline Gaming does with his tournament DE list which revolves around a Corpsethief Claw formation, Razorwings, Venoms, and Ravagers. He hasn't put up any batreps yet but from what he and Reece have said on the FLG podcast, he's been doing really well it and has only lost the entire Corpsethief Claw unit in one game.

I'd be more interested if his list was unambiguously battle forged. He has 2 lhamean as the only hq to get 2 venoms. Many people don't think courts are a separate hq choice, and I know the ITC faq rules they are but the people who make up The ITC have ruled yes to some questionable things because it supports an army build the desire to play.

Over on the The Dark City, a member posted a reply from GW's Black Library confirming that the Llahmean HQ with no Archon is legal.

I ran Coven (Grotesquerie, Dark Artisan, Scalpel squadron) last night for the first time and tore apart a Tyrannid list in CC. And wow was it FUN and satisfying to just charge in and tear them limb from limb! My opponent wasn't expecting it at all...

I also ran a small Corsair CAD and put a Princess with shimmershield in one of the units of Grotesques to give them all a nice 5++. That unit killed a huge unit of gaunts (LOL rampage), an Exocrene (with a little help), a Tyrannid Warrior, and one of those new Tyrannid drop pods that was camping on an objective.

And my Scalpel Squadron got a 3-point first blood.

sweetbacon wrote:
Over on the The Dark City, a member posted a reply from GW's Black Library confirming that the Llahmean HQ with no Archon is legal.

That's not a valid rules source unfortunately for the reasons posted in the ymdc faq

Fair enough. If you're waiting for GW to officially FAQ this before you accept it, then you might be in for a long wait. Until then, we only have what they wrote in the codex and the GW employee's response when asked a direct question about it to go off of.

sweetbacon wrote:
Fair enough. If you're waiting for GW to officially FAQ this before you accept it, then you might be in for a long wait. Until then, we only have what they wrote in the codex and the GW employee's response when asked a direct question about it to go off of.

I play Dark Eldar, and have since before the models were released for sale

A single response from a single employee is not a basis for rules decision, often in the past the people you e-mail have given different responses to the same question when asked about a rule. That is why its not considered valid.

And while I agree that it could be a long wait, with a duration of possibly never, I would rather err on the side of not taking advantage when something is definitely questionable. Of course if you ask your TO ahead of time if its okay, they have time to discuss it and come to a ruling before the tournament- which is a nice thing to let them do. I think many tournaments will allow it, mainly because there are many armies that are popular (not dark eldar) that have units that require the same wording to take, ie honor guard, priests, command squads, lone wolves, etc- and many of those players would prefer those options, as they give you more shooting without having to spend points on HQs.

Okay, good to know.

The CAD rules that some people play and locals play actually hurts Dark Eldar the most as the Coven formations are seriously amazing.

Formation limiting will hurt armies like Dark Eldar for a while until people get on the band wagon for pro formation. Adepticon is a little less stringent allowing 1 of each though.

I don't know what the rest of a Grotesquirie , Scalpel, Dark Artisan would even be maybe this would be good?


Grotesquirie

4x Grotesques , w/ Abberation w/ Scissorhands
Raider

4 Grotesques , w/ Abberation w/ Scissorhands
Raider

Haemonoculus w/ Flesh Gauntlet, ?????, webway portal

Total : 545

Dark Artisan
Haemonoculus w/ Webway portal , Flesh Gauntlet, Sydriqs Sump, Nightmare Doll, Vexxator Mask

Talos w/ Ichor Injector

Cronos w/ Spirit Probe

Total : 430

Scalpel Squadron
5 X Wracks w/ Venom w/ 2 Splinter Cannon

5 X Warcks w/ Venom w/ 2 Splinter Cannon

Total : 210

Primary

Eldar
Autarch w/ Banshee Mask, Fusion Gun, ????? (85)

1 Spirit Seer - Grotesques
1 Spirit Seer - Grotesques

Total : 140


Elites
5 Fire Dragons w/ Exarch w/ Fast Shot (130)

Troops
3 x Windrider Jetbikes (51)
3 x Windrider Jetbikes (51)


Fast Attack
Crimson Hunter (160)


Totals : 1802

I'd honestly just go straight Eldar Primary , go with MSU of Jetbikes, get 2 spirit seers and put with the Grotesques rolling Runes of Battle and Telepathy, it's null deployment.

Also the Haemonoculus from the Grotesquirie gives the Fire Dragons Fearless, maybe go with something else for the Autarch, who I have no idea how to equip on the ground.

I'd guess you could go with 3 Spirit Seers , then take a Comm Relay Fortification but that's all I can think of. If a Spirit seer is in the same squad with the Haemy from the Dark Eldar codex then he's getting -1 on the LD for Psychic Shriek.

sweetbacon wrote:
Over on the The Dark City, a member posted a reply from GW's Black Library confirming that the Llahmean HQ with no Archon is legal.

Is there a link you have for this? I can't find it.

mercury14 wrote:

sweetbacon wrote:
Over on the The Dark City, a member posted a reply from GW's Black Library confirming that the Llahmean HQ with no Archon is legal.

Is there a link you have for this? I can't find it.

Yonder.

While we're on the topic of Coven formations, I have a 1000 pt tournament coming up.

- Corpsethief Claw, mostly Heat Lances, misc other upgrades

- Eldar CAD:
Avatar of Khaine
6 Rangers
6 Rangers

I figure just rush everything, laughing off small arms fire and terrorize folks.

Too much cheddar?

Doesn't look cheesy to me - it will do well versus some lists and eat it hard against others. Same as most 1000 point lists, really.

Good list! Steer clear of Instant Death. Grey Knights are probably your biggest fear. (And a Lord of Flame C'Tan.)

I have a new guide up for those that are interested:

The Pragmatic Realspace Raider: Blocking with Reavers

Hope it's useful!

Hey peoples. So I haven't played 40k in over a year now and just picked up 7th and everything for coven (which I loved playing in 5th and 6th). I do have a question though that I just can't seem to find an answer for; with the grotesquerie formation, is there much use if you happen to roll the fleet rule? It doesn't transfer as far as I can see, and haemonculi don't have it. So you would have to run the squad without one in, which when your fearless largely negates the abysmal leadership, but means you have one less turn on PfP (unless you have urien; which I always do, but means everyone has to stick fairly close together). Or have another detachment with a fleet character running with them? (which seems like a large amount of effort just to go through incase you just happen to get that rule)

Thoughts? I tried searching for this, but couldn't find anything, if it's already been discussed can someone show me where?

One of the relics a Haemonculus can take lets you choose from a selection of special rules to apply for the turn, one of which is Fleet. Syndriq's Sump or something.

Ok so this thread need to Jump back into the fray! DE shall not be forgotten!

I think the new supposed Harlequin release will allow Dark Eldar as Battle brothers, so that may add some more units to the army. Be interesting to see how that will work out.

Im hoping It will be a nice supplement for both armies.....

On another note, If one were to bring a farseer as an ally, How many should you take?

If they change them up that is- aren't their rules still in the Eldar codex?

 Sinful Hero wrote:
If they change them up that is- aren't their rules still in the Eldar codex?

Yes, But I assume they will be removed next update

DaKKaLAnce wrote:

 Sinful Hero wrote:
If they change them up that is- aren't their rules still in the Eldar codex?

Yes, But I assume they will be removed next update

Now that I think about it, Zoanthropes currently have two sets of rules so it's possible they'll have two conflicting sets.

I guess that is a possiblity.... Ive always liked them, so I hope they can be worth it!

DaKKaLAnce wrote:

 Sinful Hero wrote:
If they change them up that is- aren't their rules still in the Eldar codex?

Yes, But I assume they will be removed next update

I'm thinking something like the legion of the damned. I'm hoping it is more fleshed out, but I think this is the trend.

Yeah I think they'll get a full update more than what the LotD got. Maybe we can take them as replacement Wyches.

Hollismason wrote:
Yeah I think they'll get a full update more than what the LotD got. Maybe we can take them as replacement Wyches.

Wyches arent that bad...you just got to know how to use them.

DaKKaLAnce wrote:

Hollismason wrote:
Yeah I think they'll get a full update more than what the LotD got. Maybe we can take them as replacement Wyches.

Wyches arent that bad...you just got to know how to use them.

*puts the lid back on that can o' worms.*

Clearly they will be battle brothers, so it doesnt really matter whether its units, datasheets, formations or an entire codex! we all know were gona take em
its just i cant currently build any of my army! as its a harle themed force.... so i have to wait :( as it might completely change the current dynamic i have intended :(

What harle units could be possible i think is a more interesting thought train;

solitaire as a HQ or atleast a customisable wargear model

generic harlequins as troops or the filler models

jesters as some sort of HS or long range unit

other units? ive found it hard to find much fluff on harle's

Then, how would this alter the DE dynamic?
I imagine they will bring some psychic powers, some CC punch most likely. I hope they are certainly varied from the shooty CWE and the shooty or choppy DE but being eldar, most likely still low T, low S, probably a poor save, with some cover shenanigans, i cant see them really pushing the boat out other than releasing more units/making them more varied and customisable.

I don't have very high hopes for Harlequins.

I am expecting a Militarum Tempestus style codex where they are there own faction with their own army list, that has about 4 datasheets and only fills out 1-3 slot types for a force org chart, probably HQ/Troops maybe FA.

Most likely they will bring a psyker, the shadowseer which will be ML1 and have a set power we have seen before.

The jetbike harlies will be a gem, since it will probably give them a 3+ armor save, and they will probably have skilled rider+jink or a ++ of some kind.

Which will give a fairly durable very fast unit which would be pretty sweet to have.

other units could be Mimes. which were basically what scouts are to Space marines for harlequins. Given how they said the kits will be, would have to be a combo kit with the harlequins and we have been told via rumors that one of the 2 box sets will be a combi kit for infantry..