From the Void- Dark Eldar Tactica for 7th Codex

Forum adverts like this one are shown to any user who is not logged in. Join us by filling out a tiny 3 field form and you will get your own, free, dakka user account which gives a good range of benefits to you:

No adverts like this in the forums anymore.
Times and dates in your local timezone.
Full tracking of what you have read so you can skip to your first unread post, easily see what has changed since you last logged in, and easily see what is new at a glance.
Email notifications for threads you want to watch closely.
Being a part of the oldest wargaming community on the net.

If you are already a member then feel free to login now.

**vipoid**

ALEXisAWESOME wrote:
She is aces in a challenge

Against what?

Even with rerolls, she still won't do any meaningful damage to any of the good HQ characters. And, with T3 and just a 3++ for protection, it'll usually take just one failed save and she's dead.

**Jimsolo**

Did you mean point cost or financial cost?

And yeah, Incubi can work, but you have more threats to worry about and less survivability.

Lelith is still a beast, although not as much as she used to be. I only run her in fluffy games, otherwise I prefer a normal Succubus.

**War Kitten**

I meant moneywise. It's $24 for a single Grot. I'm not opposed to picking up the 3-4 of them to use as a meatwall for my HQ, I just don't like the idea of spending 72-96 dollars for a glorified meatshield. But flipping through the book they offer so much in terms of keeping the Succubus alive....

**vipoid**

War Kitten wrote:
I meant moneywise. It's $24 for a single Grot. I'm not opposed to picking up the 3-4 of them to use as a meatwall for my HQ, I just don't like the idea of spending 72-96 dollars for a glorified meatshield. But flipping through the book they offer so much in terms of keeping the Succubus alive....

Have you considered converting some grots? Some Crypt Fiends or Ogrun Warspears (from Warmachine) would be cheaper and probably look better, too.

**War Kitten**

vipoid wrote:
War Kitten wrote:
I meant moneywise. It's $24 for a single Grot. I'm not opposed to picking up the 3-4 of them to use as a meatwall for my HQ, I just don't like the idea of spending 72-96 dollars for a glorified meatshield. But flipping through the book they offer so much in terms of keeping the Succubus alive....

Have you considered converting some grots? Some Crypt Fiends or Ogrun Warspears (from Warmachine) would be cheaper and probably look better, too.

I have actually. I've seen some really well done Grots converted from Skaven Rat Ogres and of course the Crypt Fiends. That might have to be something I do eventually.

**Jimsolo**

Prepainted Hordes Wulfen (or Beasts of Dirz) models make great Covens conversion fodder. The Wulfen are even fluffy (the Prophets of Flesh turned a bunch of Space Wolf scouts into big wolfy grotesques for lulz once).

I use old Dreamblade minis as the basis for some really amazing grotesque conversions, too. The best part about all the ones I've mentioned so far is that the models are $1-3 apiece. (Can't beat that with a stick.)

Crypt Horror or Rat Ogres are perennial favorites, although the Rat Ogres aren't being carried anymore (instead, I think they have Storm Vermin or some such, which are a little cheaper than DE grots, but not by much). If you're searching ebay and don't mind scale issues, you can always pick up 3rd edition grotesques. They're smaller, but I still pack a squad in case I run into a tournament that doesn't allow non-GW miniatures.

**Red Corsair**

War Kitten wrote:
I meant moneywise. It's $24 for a single Grot. I'm not opposed to picking up the 3-4 of them to use as a meatwall for my HQ, I just don't like the idea of spending 72-96 dollars for a glorified meatshield. But flipping through the book they offer so much in terms of keeping the Succubus alive....

http://www.ebay.com/itm/WARHAMMER-VAMPIRE-COUNTS-VARGHEISTS-CRYPT-HORRORS-/371488422341?hash=item567e6f79c5:g:y3MAAOSwnGJWSpGf

+

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Warhammer-40k-Dark-Eldar-Talos-Pain-Engine-Cronos-Parasite-Engine-NIB-/121674410129?hash=item1c545c2891:g:BUAAAOSwgQ9VqHqP

Gives you 3 grots plus a talos for much less then those finecrap models.

**War Kitten**

Very nice. Thanks Red, I'll look into those.

**Red Corsair**

Also clicky the link in my sig for some ideas. Speaking of which I need to update that.

No problem, conversions are my favorite part of the hobby

**War Kitten**

I've actually looked through your P&M blog a few times before. Some cool stuff there. Definitely stealing that Taloi idea

**Red Corsair**

Yea I finished the wraith knight and the corpse thief claw and painted a ton of my stuff. I even made farseer conversions and warp spiders, I am a lazy ass however and haven't uploaded anything, I should get on that soon

**War Kitten**

You probably should. Your loyal fans are waiting with baited breath for more DE awesomeness.

**DirtyDeeds**

You can also use AoS Ogres. A pack of 6 will only set you back $40. I loved using large squads of Grotesques from the Grotesquerie formation. Each squad had a Haemie with WWP to put them where I needed them. Yeah it meant a min turn 3 charge, but I kept a Dark Artisan formation in cover as a super survivable anchor unit.

**War Kitten**

Using Ogres is actually a pretty cool sounding idea, got any tips for how to DE them? I could probably use some of them in the allied detachment.

**Jimsolo**

Wrack and Talos kits will give you more masks, vials, and antennae than you know what to do with. Wrack boxes also have tons of arms/weapons. Extra Talos arms or Cronos tentacles are popular bits to use for conversions. The spare Defiler masks are good, too. Guitar wire is cheap and makes great tubing. And if push comes to shove, a greenstuff mask and a convincing paintjob can do wonders.

**vipoid**

Red Corsair wrote:
Also clicky the link in my sig for some ideas. Speaking of which I need to update that.

Wow, your army looks great.

Love the Talos-Wraiths.

**DirtyDeeds**

Just hit up EBAY for the talos masks and cronos tenticles.

**Red Corsair**

Thanks for the props guys, I actually painted up much of what I was working on, tomorrow I am planning on taking some pictures!

Tonight however I am painting Necrons for an escalation challenge my bro made lol. Using so many of their bits made me fall in love with their kits! Not to worry though, the true kin are my first love!

**War Kitten**

The eldar better be your first love. Or else......

**Red Corsair**

Ha ha, don't make me upload pics of my circa '97 3rd ed dark eldar!

**War Kitten**

You do that and I'll upload pics of my crappily painted Guardians for my Eldar. That'll learn ya! Then when I actually get the models for the DE allied detachment I'll upload pictures of badly painted Wyches!

**War Kitten**

Last question I promise. Can Hellions be made to work? The general consensus I've seen is that most people don't like them, but are they usable at all? Or are they just useless?

**Tactical_Spam**

War Kitten wrote:
Last question I promise. Can Hellions be made to work? The general consensus I've seen is that most people don't like them, but are they usable at all? Or are they just useless?

Hellions are useless, from everywhere I can find

**Jimsolo**

War Kitten wrote:
Last question I promise. Can Hellions be made to work? The general consensus I've seen is that most people don't like them, but are they usable at all? Or are they just useless?

Utterly worthless. Potentially worst unit in the game.

I tried for a long time, but I only run them these days when I need to handicap myself.

The only HALFWAY decent use I found for them was to stuff a Fortress of Redemption full of 'em. The can exit the battlements and still get to the ground AND Charge, thanks to Repel the Invader! and being Jump Infantry. If you buy Void Shields for the building, you can start all your other stuff on the battlements, giving you a protected firing platform or a staging area for a Flat Out/Turboboost assisted drive into the enemy.

Not great, but at least interesting.

**War Kitten**

Thanks for that, I was looking at units that I was going to pick up for my DE, and I saw them on the gee-dubs site. It's a shame that they're terrible. Seems to be a bad trend for the DE book, most of the units that I really like are terrible. (Wyches, Hellions etc)

**Tactical_Spam**

War Kitten wrote:
Thanks for that, I was looking at units that I was going to pick up for my DE, and I saw them on the gee-dubs site. It's a shame that they're terrible. Seems to be a bad trend for the DE book, most of the units that I really like are terrible. (Wyches, Hellions etc)

It seems like you suffer from Attention Deficit Army Disorder...

Wych cults and Hellions are really fluffy from what Ive read

**War Kitten**

Tactical_Spam wrote:
War Kitten wrote:
Thanks for that, I was looking at units that I was going to pick up for my DE, and I saw them on the gee-dubs site. It's a shame that they're terrible. Seems to be a bad trend for the DE book, most of the units that I really like are terrible. (Wyches, Hellions etc)

It seems like you suffer from Attention Deficit Army Disorder...

Wych cults and Hellions are really fluffy from what Ive read

You noticed huh? Yep I do. I was already planning on starting DE when a friend of mine offloaded his Eldar on me. So I have them as well.

**Jimsolo**

It's a real tragedy, since the wyches and hellions are some wonderful models. (I own...an unfortunately large number of hellions.)

**ryuken87**

Jimsolo wrote:
War Kitten wrote:
Last question I promise. Can Hellions be made to work? The general consensus I've seen is that most people don't like them, but are they usable at all? Or are they just useless?

The only HALFWAY decent use I found for them was to stuff a Fortress of Redemption full of 'em. The can exit the battlements and still get to the ground AND Charge, thanks to Repel the Invader! and being Jump Infantry. If you buy Void Shields for the building, you can start all your other stuff on the battlements, giving you a protected firing platform or a staging area for a Flat Out/Turboboost assisted drive into the enemy.

Not great, but at least interesting.

I don't think even that works, as when disembarking you still have to end your move within 6" of your access point, despite being jump infantry. BRB p81.

**vipoid**

War Kitten wrote:
Last question I promise. Can Hellions be made to work?

They can be made to work as Jet Packs for Corsair conversions...

Spoiler: