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 Jihadin wrote:


Civil War did not start solely over Slavery
I stop there being we have had numerous threads on this matter.

You know better dam nit

One of my favorite Quiz's ever was a quiz on day one of my Recent US History class. I just loved it, because all the questions were extremely basic. "Why did the US enter WWI?" "Who named the Americas?*" "What legislation ended Slavery in the United States." All things people should have been taught in High School (but consistently aren't). He handed back the tests the next day and told everyone "assume everything you've been taught is wrong." The class averaged a 33 on the quiz

*This one was fun, cause I had no idea and said so and I got the question right just because I didn't put down Christopher Columbus

 LordofHats wrote:

 Jihadin wrote:


Civil War did not start solely over Slavery
I stop there being we have had numerous threads on this matter.

You know better dam nit

One of my favorite Quiz's ever was a quiz on day one of my Recent US History class. I just loved it, because all the questions were extremely basic. "Why did the US enter WWI?" "Who named the Americas?*" "What legislation ended Slavery in the United States." All things people should have been taught in High School (but consistently aren't). He handed back the tests the next day and told everyone "assume everything you've been taught is wrong." The class averaged a 33 on the quiz

*This one was fun, cause I had no idea and said so and I got the question right just because I didn't put down Christopher Columbus

Those are all things that are taught in school, but that doesn't mean that they are all things that are remembered by the students.

Think we all need to start taking that pill that made from jellyfish to help our memories regardless of school age

I hardly even remember who even named the americas. And I am still a sophomore in college O.o

Actually.someone with a last name Americiorsometing

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Being me though I would go with "A New World" and stuck with it

I've been to 4 different high schools (and all 4 history classes were the same) and they all gave wrong answers to those questions or presented information in a way that led to an incorrect answer. You can almost predict even with 100% accuracy how those questions will be typically answered.

In my text books, the Lusitania got more coverage than unrestricted submarine warfare (which is baffling really) or the Zimmerman Telegram, and though I've never seen a text state it outright, I've seen several text books that fumble the Emancipation Proclamation and the 13th Amendment's roles in ending slavery.

They're supposed to be taught in high school, but I've seen them taught incorrectly myself on 4 different occasions

I remember a ton of history facts that were plain wrong.

Like how everyone list the allies and says the allies from world war 2 were.... US, Russia, Britain, and France. I remember I got yelled at when i mentioned that Canada and Australia were also apart of it, as well as many other countries.


There are tons of things that history teachers should teach.

And see, you don't even remember China. How do you think they got on the UN security council? (though that's a bit more understandable, because even Academics tend to gloss over the Second Sino-Japanese War).

The one that everyone forgets that Japan tried to do the we "declare war" bit but the crypto back then was long and tedious and also a delay in receiving a message

Teacher asked one homework question about the German Enigma Code. Ole boy gave the school book answer but I had him do a pyramid of circles and to explain how the Enigma code worked with lettered cylinders when they are geared in synch

I don't even know why someone would be taught about the Enigma Codes in High School XD Yeah it's cool, but that level of detail is a bit out of depth

 Jihadin wrote:
Actually.someone with a last name Americiorsometing

My guess (from clouded recollection) is that I don't remember who named it, but that it was named for Americo Vespuchi (no idea if the spelling is close) who was the first person to navigate around North and South America....

Now I'm going to Google it

Edit: Amerigo Vespucci appears to be the correct spelling!

Firm believer of attention to detail.

Did you know how we broke the Japanese code?

By monitoring their code traffic and mentioning the potable water plant on Midway was broking. The letter indicating Midway was used in a Japanese code broadcast afterwards thereby providing a key into breaking their code. hence the US Navy prepared for battle with the IJN which became the turning point of war for the US was when we sank four IJN carriers.


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 d-usa wrote:

 Jihadin wrote:
Actually.someone with a last name Americiorsometing

My guess (from clouded recollection) is that I don't remember who named it, but that it was named for Americo Vespuchi (no idea if the spelling is close) who was the first person to navigate around North and South America....

Now I'm going to Google it

Edit: Amerigo Vespucci appears to be the correct spelling!

Whew was damn close myself lol

Since I've been eyeing this (and other similar situations), I'll leave this article here:

http://www.historians.org/publications-and-directories/perspectives-on-history/september-2014/embracing-the-challenge-of-the-new-ap-us-history-exam

Also... far more disturbing than even the Colorado students protests, are some of the articles I've seen regarding new textbooks going up for approval in Texas.... One of them said (and I quote): "Moses contributed greatly to the writing of the US Constitution"

It went on from there basically saying (but I can only paraphrase at this point) that the Founding Fathers saw the value of the written law that Moses provided.




Say wut?? Nothing about Hammurabi's Code? A document that is inarguably hundreds/thousands of years older than the Ten Commandments.... But ohh wait, Hammurabi wasn't a "Christian" the way Moses was, so it's cool

 LordofHats wrote:
And see, you don't even remember China. How do you think they got on the UN security council? (though that's a bit more understandable, because even Academics tend to gloss over the Second Sino-Japanese War).

Thats more of me forgetting the chinese were a force, as I remember clearly that most of history is glossed over especially the pacific war. The most amount of time we ever spent in my history classes if it ever includeded a war was civil war and ww2. But most times we only focused on either the northern perspective or the European theater.

Our kids get to re-do their assignments up to 2x.

I tried to explain to them (they're 10, nearly 11) that this is "golden"...to have the ability to get straight A's (even in 5th grade) is a HUGE thing.

Call me old school....but I'm of the opinion that if I get it wrong...I shouldn't have the opportunity to correct it and turn it back in for full points...especially not once, but twice....*especially* so that the school can "pad" their student scores when it comes to trying to meet No Child Left Behind (thanks Bush).

Getting to redo work was practically non-existent in my high school, the only way you could is if the teacher made a mistake.

 TheMeanDM wrote:
Our kids get to re-do their assignments up to 2x.

And I would imagine that this is not as nice/easy as it first sounds. Do they get homework every day?

So while it's nice to redo your assignment, you end up doing the last assignment AND the current assignment on the same day. So they still have a very good motivation to get it right the first time.

Typically, just correcting the missed answers only takes like 5 minutes (usually).

It is *not* a source of stress or consternation for my kids, even if they have 3 or 4 homework assignments (which may be a front, or front & back page).

 TheMeanDM wrote:
Our kids get to re-do their assignments up to 2x.

I tried to explain to them (they're 10, nearly 11) that this is "golden"...to have the ability to get straight A's (even in 5th grade) is a HUGE thing.

Call me old school....but I'm of the opinion that if I get it wrong...I shouldn't have the opportunity to correct it and turn it back in for full points...especially not once, but twice....*especially* so that the school can "pad" their student scores when it comes to trying to meet No Child Left Behind (thanks Bush).

Why not? Is education about actually learning the material, or just getting a grade? If you get it wrong, do you just say feth it, since you'll never get a chance to revisit it? Should grades be a reflection of whether you've actually learned and mastered the material, or simply a reflection that you were able to get it right the first time and subsequently forget about it?

 Hordini wrote:

 TheMeanDM wrote:
Our kids get to re-do their assignments up to 2x.

I tried to explain to them (they're 10, nearly 11) that this is "golden"...to have the ability to get straight A's (even in 5th grade) is a HUGE thing.

Call me old school....but I'm of the opinion that if I get it wrong...I shouldn't have the opportunity to correct it and turn it back in for full points...especially not once, but twice....*especially* so that the school can "pad" their student scores when it comes to trying to meet No Child Left Behind (thanks Bush).

Why not? Is education about actually learning the material, or just getting a grade? If you get it wrong, do you just say feth it, since you'll never get a chance to revisit it? Should grades be a reflection of whether you've actually learned and mastered the material, or simply a reflection that you were able to get it right the first time and subsequently forget about it?

Because education isn't just teaching the material, it's about preparing someone for life. Most jobs don't give you a 'do-over' if you totally F something up. If you go into adulthood with the idea that you can screw up as much as you want - so long as you gave it an earnest effort - and other people will be okay with that and give you as many more chances as you need, you are setting yourself up for a terrible life.

Because education isn't just teaching the material, it's about preparing someone for life. Most jobs don't give you a 'do-over' if you totally F something up. If you go into adulthood with the idea that you can screw up as much as you want - so long as you gave it an earnest effort - and other people will be okay with that and give you as many more chances as you need, you are setting yourself up for a terrible life.

I think learning to fail is something all students should learn. Because it means you tried. There is trying in this world. You can fail you can screw up. That way you can learn. You must learn how to fail before you can do anything.

But we are only encouraged to succeed which is fine, but sometimes kids will keep failing over and over and never learn from it. They are just forced to succeed and to fit a standard.

If you struggle, learn, try new things, and try your best you probably got a better education than your peers. Because you learned something from your experiences and from what you were doing.

Education to me looked to have evolve to "check the box" on teaching points.

I just want my kid who is being taught a subject that pertains to significant events over time to know the entire spectrum on how it happen, why it happen, series of events leading to an action, and what results came out of it.

I just do not want my kid to know just one aspect of a event. I rather have him and her (daughter with ex) know as much as they can.

I think education should be based on making people curious about things.

I have no idea how, but it boggles my mind that so many people have the entire sum of human knowledge literally within arms reach and don't care.

 Bromsy wrote:

 Hordini wrote:

 TheMeanDM wrote:
Our kids get to re-do their assignments up to 2x.

I tried to explain to them (they're 10, nearly 11) that this is "golden"...to have the ability to get straight A's (even in 5th grade) is a HUGE thing.

Call me old school....but I'm of the opinion that if I get it wrong...I shouldn't have the opportunity to correct it and turn it back in for full points...especially not once, but twice....*especially* so that the school can "pad" their student scores when it comes to trying to meet No Child Left Behind (thanks Bush).

Why not? Is education about actually learning the material, or just getting a grade? If you get it wrong, do you just say feth it, since you'll never get a chance to revisit it? Should grades be a reflection of whether you've actually learned and mastered the material, or simply a reflection that you were able to get it right the first time and subsequently forget about it?

Because education isn't just teaching the material, it's about preparing someone for life. Most jobs don't give you a 'do-over' if you totally F something up. If you go into adulthood with the idea that you can screw up as much as you want - so long as you gave it an earnest effort - and other people will be okay with that and give you as many more chances as you need, you are setting yourself up for a terrible life.

Getting to redo a homework assignment isn't exactly teaching someone you can screw up as much as you want and other people will be okay with it. Continuously failing a student doesn't do anything beneficial for their life preparation either.


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To be honest, homework is something you should be able to redo. Homework, more than anything, is supposed to be about learning the material.

Even if you can redo the homework a thousand times, you still have to prove you actually know it on the tests, which are almost always worth more. So students are still learning to perform, and still learning that it's possible to fail.

I've watched a great series on the history of racism,slavery and colonialism from the 16th century onwards

It's scope in brutuatily and horror is almost incomprehesible, and purposely looked over and erased from the history books.

Europe has alot to answer for

 mitch_rifle wrote:
I've watched a great series on the history of racism,slavery and colonialism from the 16th century onwards

It's scope in brutality and horror is almost incomprehensible, and purposely looked over and erased from the history books.

Europe has a lot to answer for

To be fair, most of human history before say the 1700s is just mind bogglingly terrible from a modern standpoint. Acting like Europe is especially terrible is silly.

And I corrected your spelling errors for free!

Europe is a concept which nobody alive bears any responsibility for. Blaming the crimes of the centuries-dead on people today because they happen to have been born somewhere is ludicrous.

 Kali wrote:
Europe is a concept which nobody alive bears

bears

bears

any responsibility for. Blaming the crimes of the centuries-dead on people today because they happen to have been born somewhere is ludicrous.

I knew it. F'ing bears.

 Jihadin wrote:
Jebus....if these kids went to school in my time frame where you fail a grade you get held back a grade....

Wussy. Back in my day if you failed Pointy Sticks and Rocks 101 you were eaten by the hyenadons. If you failed Pointy Sticks and R0cks 201 you were eaten by Frazzled's relatives.


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The article mentions that this is the case. The guidelines provide some structure to the class and help teachers fill in the gaps in areas they might not be familiar with, but the individual teachers are able to add their own material. So not mentioning X specifically does not mean that X can not be taught, it may just be an assumption that any remotely qualified teacher is already aware of X and it doesn't need to be explicitly added to the outline.

In the real world, it means it won't be taught.


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 AlmightyWalrus wrote:

Some conservatives like the National Review's Stanley Kurtz say the course was influenced by a movement in academia to de-emphasize the United States' uniqueness and treat it as one nation among many, with an eye toward promoting a less aggressive foreign policy.

I've seen this pop up a few times before; why is this so bad? Last time I looked, the US IS one country among many. To me, it seems it'd be arrogant in the extreme to pretend otherwise.

You're just jealous because all the voices talk to us!
Insert obligatory if it weren't for us you'd be speaking German or Russian comment here.

America Hurr!

I'm glad to see an educational crisis in America (not because I'm anti-American) but because it shows that the politicisation of history is not unique to the UK.

You think you've got it tough in America, well in my day it was worse.

History education in the UK pretty much amounts to kids having to apologise for the crimes of the British empire. It matters not that it happened 150 years ago, we've still to got to apologise for the crimes of the ancestors. Ok, I exaggerate a bit, but that's the modern trend in the UK.


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You're just jealous because all the voices talk to us!
Insert obligatory if it weren't for us you'd be speaking German or Russian comment here.

And if North Vietnam had a decent sized navy, you'd be speaking Vietnamese