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I'm really hoping we don't get a new dex this month. To put out two (rushed) codexes in one month would be a bit much. I'd much prefer them to take a little time and make a xenos dex that doesn't cause extreme rage than push out two now.

I predict that something will happen with the C'tan. They have the exact opposite problem of a lot of characters. The Nightbringer and The Deceiver are named units, with distinct models, but don't have distinct rules. The listed rules are to make any shard - not just those two.

Also, I just started collecting my army and don't want to have to plan for a shift already.

The dex has probably been finished for a while. So this idea of 'rushed' is just silly. Whether it comes out now, or in 3 months, will make no difference what so ever.

JuniorRS13 wrote:
I wonder what the major FOC change will be.

Hoping the LoW slot is required and the T. C'tan is cut and paste into the codex.

JuniorRS13 wrote:
I wonder what the major FOC change will be.

Necrons have more Elites than anyone ever fields, so we could get more Elites slots.

Or the FOC changes could be rearranging who goes where.

Things that would be minor changes, but probably see models get played more often
Flayed ones moved to troops
Triarch Praetorians moved to Fast Attack
Royal Court Choices as actual HQ slot choices
Slotless scarab swarm for each Spyder chosen
Slotless Destroyer unit for each Destroyer Lord
Slotless Lychguard unit for each overlord

You sure? My Blood Angels have more elites than the Necrons.
And Necrons might have quite a few Elites, but they hardly see play.
If anything they'd be happier with more Heavy Support slots.

I'd almost bet money that the night scythes and/or ghost arks lose DT status and get moved.

 Maelstrom808 wrote:
I'd almost bet money that the night scythes and/or ghost arks lose DT status and get moved.

It'll keep DT and get moved to fast attack so even more can be spammed.

 Wilson wrote:

 Maelstrom808 wrote:
I'd almost bet money that the night scythes and/or ghost arks lose DT status and get moved.

It'll keep DT and get moved to fast attack so even more can be spammed.

Probably, but the only units that its transport capacity would benefit would be a handful of Necron units (Triarch Praetorians, Flayed Ones, Canoptek Wraiths, Destroyers and Tomb Blades) that don't have a Night Scythe as a dedicated transport since Necrons don't have any battle brothers.

That would be.. insane :O

 Ghaz wrote:

 Wilson wrote:

 Maelstrom808 wrote:
I'd almost bet money that the night scythes and/or ghost arks lose DT status and get moved.

It'll keep DT and get moved to fast attack so even more can be spammed.

Probably, but the only units that its transport capacity would benefit would be a handful of Necron units (Triarch Praetorians, Flayed Ones, Canoptek Wraiths, Destroyers and Tomb Blades) that don't have a Night Scythe as a dedicated transport since Necrons don't have any battle brothers.

even then I'd still rather put warriors in them - cheap scoring units are best anyway.

the actual flyer is the best part and when they move them to Fast, you'll be able to take 9 of them with 6 x 5 man unit of warriors at 1290 . (providing they don't change the points)

9 of them.



9!

Kangodo wrote:
You sure? My Blood Angels have more elites than the Necrons.
And Necrons might have quite a few Elites, but they hardly see play.
If anything they'd be happier with more Heavy Support slots.

As a Necron Player, I would prefer more heavy slots myself, but since the Elites are the most seldom used choices currently, and GW wants to sell us more models, I'm wagering they will find a way to make those choices more appealing.

Since people are talking about scythes, I could see Praetorians and Lychguard getting them as dedicated transports as well. It makes no sense that the melee oriented guys have to foot slog.

I call shenanigans on FOC swaps. They stopped doing them, plain and simple. Wish-listing about them won't make them happen outside of supplemental books and formations.
We may see more troop options... probably tombblades and flayed ones move to troops.

My problem is that our fluff has us being an ME, elite, shooting army with a history of successful combat against other ME and MC armies (other Dynasties and C'tan), and yet we struggle the most in killing ME and MC armies! Not sure how to fix that, but the humble Gauss Flayer is supposed to separate matter at the atomic level... maybe we should be the army toting around Rapid Fire, Str 8 ap 5 infantry weapons? (dream there... sorry)

Stuff everyone will be shocked if they aren't in the codex.
Codex will be hardcover.
Codex will be the new dataslate format.
Will include Lords of War in the codex. Maybe not, after Dark Eldar
Scythes and Ghost Arks get their own entries (FA and HS, respectively)
Will include a Formation in the codex.
Will include Tactical Objective Cards.
Will include Necron specific Warlord traits.
Will include Necron Relics... likely 2 CC weapons and 2 ranged weapons plus 1-2 others. (I expect Ghostwalk Mantle and Empathic Obliterator (with reworked rules) to be in there).

 Ghaz wrote:

 Wilson wrote:

 Maelstrom808 wrote:
I'd almost bet money that the night scythes and/or ghost arks lose DT status and get moved.

It'll keep DT and get moved to fast attack so even more can be spammed.

Probably, but the only units that its transport capacity would benefit would be a handful of Necron units (Triarch Praetorians, Flayed Ones, Canoptek Wraiths, Destroyers and Tomb Blades) that don't have a Night Scythe as a dedicated transport since Necrons don't have any battle brothers.

Aren't bikes , jet[pack and jump troops disallowed from embarking in transports in the core rules now anyway? I am betting the NS loses the 15 man capacity and jumps up to 140 minimum if not 160 and I honestly would not be surprised if it becomes a FA choice. Sounds like a lot of shifting but those things were definitely not designed for flier rules when they were written.

Pure speculation but I could see them getting a rule where necron units can DS off of them as the invasion beam rule but not truly transported by them as well. Basically how the monolith works.

At any rate I expect the fliers, chariots, MSS and tesla to be obvious things on the chopping/nerfing block. Aside from that I bet crypteks and lords just become either or unit leaders and that's basically it (see wolf guard).

 Red Corsair wrote:
Aren't bikes , jet pack and jump troops disallowed from embarking in transports in the core rules now anyway?

Yes, the core rules do only permit infantry to embark on transports. However the rules for the Night Scythe allow it to transport jump infantry or jet bikes as well.

 Anpu-adom wrote:

Will include Lords of War in the codex. Maybe not, after Dark Eldar

The Dark Eldar don't have any LoWs. The Necrons have 3 Lords of War, I'd expect to see all of them in the Codex.

 MasterSlowPoke wrote:

 Anpu-adom wrote:

Will include Lords of War in the codex. Maybe not, after Dark Eldar

The Dark Eldar don't have any LoWs. The Necrons have 3 Lords of War, I'd expect to see all of them in the Codex.

Not so... Dark Eldar can take the Revenant Titan, as per the rules in Escalation, but I take your meaning. They have no PLASTIC Lord of War kits... Orks have Stompas, and they were included. Ghaz, Logan, and Drago were also made LOW (poor Ghazzy getting the short end of that stick).

 MasterSlowPoke wrote:

 Anpu-adom wrote:

Will include Lords of War in the codex. Maybe not, after Dark Eldar

The Dark Eldar don't have any LoWs. The Necrons have 3 Lords of War, I'd expect to see all of them in the Codex.

Agreed. It would give them a much needed chance to tone down the Transcendent C'Tan powers/weapons, and beef up the Obelisk to make it worthwhile- its currently a giant Monolith with better guns but no portal and far weaker armor.

Something to keep in mind... most of our non-forgeworld/non-LOW anti-air relies on extra tesla hits. If the expected change to tesla and snapshots, we'll be very exposed to fliers (at least without spaming fliers of our own).

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

 MasterSlowPoke wrote:

 Anpu-adom wrote:

Will include Lords of War in the codex. Maybe not, after Dark Eldar

The Dark Eldar don't have any LoWs. The Necrons have 3 Lords of War, I'd expect to see all of them in the Codex.

Agreed. It would give them a much needed chance to tone down the Transcendent C'Tan powers/weapons, and beef up the Obelisk to make it worthwhile- its currently a giant Monolith with better guns but no portal and far weaker armor.

The Stompa was cut and pasted into the Ork codex. I don't foresee them making any changes to the necron LoW.

 NecronLord3 wrote:

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

 MasterSlowPoke wrote:

 Anpu-adom wrote:

Will include Lords of War in the codex. Maybe not, after Dark Eldar

The Dark Eldar don't have any LoWs. The Necrons have 3 Lords of War, I'd expect to see all of them in the Codex.

Agreed. It would give them a much needed chance to tone down the Transcendent C'Tan powers/weapons, and beef up the Obelisk to make it worthwhile- its currently a giant Monolith with better guns but no portal and far weaker armor.

The Stompa was cut and pasted into the Ork codex. I don't foresee them making any changes to the necron LoW.

GW's past behaviour is not a reliable mechanism for predicting future behaviour.

D

 Anpu-adom wrote:
Something to keep in mind... most of our non-forgeworld/non-LOW anti-air relies on extra tesla hits. If the expected change to tesla and snapshots, we'll be very exposed to fliers (at least without spaming fliers of our own).

Oh, you mean you will have to take fliers for AA like almost every other army now?

 extremefreak17 wrote:

 Anpu-adom wrote:
Something to keep in mind... most of our non-forgeworld/non-LOW anti-air relies on extra tesla hits. If the expected change to tesla and snapshots, we'll be very exposed to fliers (at least without spaming fliers of our own).

Oh, you mean you will have to take fliers for AA like almost every other army now?

You want necron players to take even more flyers?

Can't wait to see how many different Dynasties they're gonna have, and which ones have what specialties.

I'm hoping for at least three in the main codex, then an extra one or two in supplements further down the line.

I'm guessing Solemnace and Sautekh are almost certain, with hopefully the Silent King gets some representation.

 skoffs wrote:
Can't wait to see how many different Dynasties they're gonna have, and which ones have what specialties.

I'm hoping for at least three in the main codex, then an extra one or two in supplements further down the line.

I'm guessing Solemnace and Sautekh are almost certain, with hopefully the Silent King gets some representation.

What do you mean? Like Chapter Tactics for the different Dynasties? Whilst that would be cool, I can't see it happening, other than SM I don't think any other faction has had sub faction specific special rules other than in supplements. Fluff sure.

D

 evildrcheese wrote:

 NecronLord3 wrote:

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

 MasterSlowPoke wrote:

 Anpu-adom wrote:

Will include Lords of War in the codex. Maybe not, after Dark Eldar

The Dark Eldar don't have any LoWs. The Necrons have 3 Lords of War, I'd expect to see all of them in the Codex.

Agreed. It would give them a much needed chance to tone down the Transcendent C'Tan powers/weapons, and beef up the Obelisk to make it worthwhile- its currently a giant Monolith with better guns but no portal and far weaker armor.

The Stompa was cut and pasted into the Ork codex. I don't foresee them making any changes to the necron LoW.

GW's past behaviour is not a reliable mechanism for predicting future behaviour.

D

Go ahead and keep dreaming that to be true.

 evildrcheese wrote:

 skoffs wrote:
Can't wait to see how many different Dynasties they're gonna have, and which ones have what specialties.

I'm hoping for at least three in the main codex, then an extra one or two in supplements further down the line.

I'm guessing Solemnace and Sautekh are almost certain, with hopefully the Silent King gets some representation.

What do you mean? Like Chapter Tactics for the different Dynasties? Whilst that would be cool, I can't see it happening, other than SM I don't think any other faction has had sub faction specific special rules other than in supplements. Fluff sure.

You didn't read the latest from Lords Of Wargaming?
Check the update on the top post about the FoC changes.
It's not very much to go on, but it's enough to speculate over.

How's about you copy paste them here, or post a link, so we can all read what your so excited about ?

... Uhh, it's the top post of the thread you are currently commenting on.

They have since amended that rumor by stating,

"A little bit of correction of the Necron rumors: They will receive a codex, but it will be in January. There will be a major change to FoC in this codex."

Continued in the comments, they state regarding the fluff, "There will be a lot of stuff covering the Dynasties. This is important because they will affect how you can build your armies."

 skoffs wrote:
... Uhh, it's the top post of the thread you are currently commenting on.

They have since amended that rumor by stating,

"A little bit of correction of the Necron rumors: They will receive a codex, but it will be in January. There will be a major change to FoC in this codex."

Continued in the comments, they state regarding the fluff, "There will be a lot of stuff covering the Dynasties. This is important because they will affect how you can build your armies."

I can only interpret the rumor as "changes from the current codex FOC" because we haven't seen any 6th or 7th codex that allows FOC swaps outside of formations.

Tomblades and Flayed ones to Troops? Praetorians to Fast Attack? Someone dreamed up of scarabs being non-slot when taken with Spyders, but it is possible. Crypteks moving to a non-slot (like ork Meks). Of course, Night Scythes will show up in the FA, and the Ghost Ark will probably be in Heavy Support.

Beyond that... if the different Dynasties have something like Chapter Tactics... wow. That will be a change from how 7th edition codices have been going so far.

Plus the idea of Necrons getting Dynasty rules before Chaos get Legion rules just boggles my mind...