Necron rumors [update: Oct 21] Dynastic army generation (Destroyer centric, Immortal centric, etc.)

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**JuniorRS13**

is there anything noticeably different fluff wise between the dynasties to warrant FOC changes? I am not knowledgable in necron fluff

**angelofvengeance**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
Plus the idea of Necrons getting Dynasty rules before Chaos get Legion rules just boggles my mind...

But it wouldn't be GW if your mind isn't boggled by their decisions lol.

**TiamatRoar**

If the necrons get dynasty rules before CSM get legion rules, hopefully that's simply because of good timing on codex releases (why delay dynasty rules for them just because CSM don't have legion rules yet when legion rules are hypothetically planned for their next codex?)

....hopefully.

Honestly CSM should get warband rules or something instead of legion rules. Not every CSM is descended from the traitor legions after all. Loyalist marines to this day turn to Chaos sometimes. There's a whole chunk of them descended from loyalist primarchs that turned during the Abyssal Crusade for one thing.

**NewTruthNeomaxim**

JuniorRS13 wrote:
is there anything noticeably different fluff wise between the dynasties to warrant FOC changes? I am not knowledgable in necron fluff

I'd say so. Even in the current Codex they talk about how incredibly different Dynastic philosophies towards Xenos are. Some choose to consider them a blight needing to be wiped out... others consider them so far below the Necron as to not warrant attention... and a few will even acknowledge honor and potential in other races (thus explaining a couple "Desperate Allies" situations).

You could easily elaborate on things like that to create a few alt-FOCs and Tactics/Orders

**skoffs**

Well, merely making an educated guess, but we might be able to take a look at the Apocalypse formations as well as the fluff to give us an idea of what to expect?

Solemnace could be infantry heavy (Trazyn appears to favor Lychguard, so maybe expanded elite slots/LG as objective secured?)
Sautekh could give some sort of bonus to deep strikers (Imotekh tends to be fond of setting up surprise traps for his enemies)
They could throw in some of the lesser ones, Thokt would be cool to see.

Regardless, the dynasty specific FoC changes are definitely the most intriguing element of this rumored new codex.
Can't wait until we get more info.

**adamsouza**

skoffs wrote:
evildrcheese wrote:
skoffs wrote:
Can't wait to see how many different Dynasties they're gonna have, and which ones have what specialties.

I'm hoping for at least three in the main codex, then an extra one or two in supplements further down the line.

I'm guessing Solemnace and Sautekh are almost certain, with hopefully the Silent King gets some representation.

What do you mean? Like Chapter Tactics for the different Dynasties? Whilst that would be cool, I can't see it happening, other than SM I don't think any other faction has had sub faction specific special rules other than in supplements. Fluff sure.

You didn't read the latest from Lords Of Wargaming?
Check the update on the top post about the FoC changes.
It's not very much to go on, but it's enough to speculate over.

skoffs wrote:... Uhh, it's the top post of the thread you are currently commenting on.

skoffs wrote:
Didn't see one active, so I thought I'd get the ball rolling... even though it's a little sparse at the moment.

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Bombshell from Lords of Wargaming on FB:
"Tons of rumors flying around about Necrons and they are all wrong. The Necrons will only see the release of a Necron lord, no codex will be released."
https://www.facebook.com/Lordsofwargaming
They've got a pretty good reputation for accurate rumor tracking, so all other rumors below may require liberal dashes of salt before consuming.

[UPDATE]
They have since amended that rumor by stating,
"A little bit of correction of the Necron rumors: They will receive a codex, but it will be in January. There will be a major change to FoC in this codex."
Continued in the comments, they state regarding the fluff, "There will be a lot of stuff covering the Dynasties. This is important because they will affect how you can build your armies."

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Bell of Lost Souls claims their source says the new 'Cron dex will be a minimal update, similar to the Gray Knights (no surprise there), but unlike the GK, there's supposedly a repackaging of the Destroyers: plastic, with bits to make both Heavy Destroyers AND Destroyer Lords. If the update makes Destroyers worth taking again, this could be an awesome addition.
http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2014/08/necrons-codex-whispers.html

The bigger surprise is how early the "above average" source claims the next codex will drop: week of Halloween .
http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2014/10/guess-whos-next-for-40k.html

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Faeit has an anonymous source who also claims the Necrons are next... but they then go on to post a comment from a user that the current physical codex has been removed from the GW webstore.
http://natfka.blogspot.jp/2014/10/blood-angels-or-necrons.html

As of Oct 5th, the physical copy of the current (5th ed.) codex is still available via the webstore, so Faeit's info isn't exactly watertight.
http://www.games-workshop.com/en-WW/search/searchResults.jsp?searchTerm=necrons

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If anyone knows of any more info, post it here and I'll update the top post with it.

Other than mentioning there will a lot of changes and a mention of dynasties in the fluff, I'm not seeing anything that pointed towards special rules for each dynasty, anything remotely like chapter tactics, or details of any sort, that's why I asked you to point us to what you were referenceing.

Also, plenty of people, myself included, only read the new posts and do not constantly refer back to the OP.

**MajorWesJanson**

"There will be a major change to FoC in this codex."

I'd bet on the major change being related to the Royal Court. Wolves lost the ability to split out the Wolf Guard into other squads, a mechanic that was nearly identical to how Royal Court worked, so I can see the Court changing as well.

**Sigvatr**

Dynasties basically means:

a) Different FOC for each dynasty
b) 1+ special USR for each dynasty

**MajorWesJanson**

Sigvatr wrote:
Dynasties basically means:

a) Different FOC for each dynasty
b) 1+ special USR for each dynasty

Seems like it would make more sense to make several different dynasties as Formations, rather than FOCs.

**JuniorRS13**

I was under the impression they were doing away with FOC changes for 7th.

Formations sound more likely, but I have no clue.

**CthuluIsSpy**

JuniorRS13 wrote:
I was under the impression they were doing away with FOC changes for 7th.

Formations sound more likely, but I have no clue.

The different battle-forged FOCs that are now at the back of the new 7th ed codices says otherwise.

Which begs the question, what will crons get? Perhaps a troop heavy FoC as a reference to silver tide?

**JuniorRS13**

Yea I meant the "Y makes the X unit counts as troops" FOC change.
I can see them getting more elite choices. Or heavy support.

**evildrcheese**

I assume the 'major changes' to FOC rumour referred to units just being moved to a different slot, with nothing activating it. I.e it's a permanent shift in their battle field role.

I thin it's a safe bet Crons will get a special detachment type with extra slots like every other codex too.

D

**skoffs**

Ah, that makes sense (there's going to be a lot of disgruntled players if Flayed Ones aren't in Troops, after all).

Though that bit about, "There will be a lot of stuff covering the Dynasties. This is important because they will affect how you can build your armies." is very interesting.
It does suggest something along the lines of dynasty specific bonuses/limitations, perhaps somewhat akin to chapter tactics.
Of all the rumors thus far, this is the one I want to see more about the most.

**Sigvatr**

JuniorRS13 wrote:

I can see them getting more elite choices.

...or just non-trashy elite choices

**CthuluIsSpy**

Sigvatr wrote:
JuniorRS13 wrote:

I can see them getting more elite choices.

...or just non-trashy elite choices

Yeah, much like the previous codex, the current elite roster isn't great.
Out of 6 choices, 3 are terrible, 1 is awesome, and 2 are somewhat useful, but still bad.

**Anpu-adom**

CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Sigvatr wrote:
JuniorRS13 wrote:

I can see them getting more elite choices.

...or just non-trashy elite choices

Yeah, much like the previous codex, the current elite roster isn't great.
Out of 6 choices, 3 are terrible, 1 is awesome, and 2 are somewhat useful, but still bad.

Terrible: C'Tan, Lychguard, and Flayed Ones
Awesome: Deathmarks
Somewhat useful: Praetorians and Triarch Stalker

Did I get your split right?

**CthuluIsSpy**

Anpu-adom wrote:
CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Sigvatr wrote:
JuniorRS13 wrote:

I can see them getting more elite choices.

...or just non-trashy elite choices

Yeah, much like the previous codex, the current elite roster isn't great.
Out of 6 choices, 3 are terrible, 1 is awesome, and 2 are somewhat useful, but still bad.

Terrible: C'Tan, Lychguard, and Flayed Ones
Awesome: Deathmarks
Somewhat useful: Praetorians and Triarch Stalker

Did I get your split right?

Yep, exactly.

**Anpu-adom**

Sorry... I hid the rest of this post because it was too much of a wishlist.
I'll repeat though, I don't think that we will see any FOC swaps in the codex (meaning, taking one selection moves a unit from one FOC slot to another). The only one we've seen so far was in the Sentinels of Terra supplemental codex... and even then it was for the whole book.

Spoiler:

**angelofvengeance**

Don't wishlist please. It's a sure way to get the thread locked for not actually being about N&R

**Colpicklejar**

I find it hard to believe that the dynasties will be all that diverse or different, beyond MAYBE a simple FOC swap (such and such a dynasty has elites mandatory instead of troops, or something).

Orks have very distinct klans in the fluff, and absolutely nothing came of that. Dark Eldar, Grey Knights, and Space Wolves all have them too, to a lesser extent. I mean I think it'd be really cool if they were very different, but it's just quite far out of line with the trends of the edition, and so far (to my knowledge) not a single codex has deviated from the trend in any significant way.

**skoffs**

Wellllllll, I just got this from Lords Of Wargaming (they replied to a comment on that most recent Necron tidbit):

I can't be too specific, but the dynasties will allow certain units to be taken and given certain bonuses.

Doesn't exactly answer the question, but definitely looking like "Dynasty Tactics" might be a real thing if this rumor pans out.
VERY excited for the potential.

**Sigvatr**

Maynarkh Dynasty:

- FO standard
- All units gain Fear

Dynasty motto: "Yeah, we're bad."

Expecting something like this.

**Victory**

Someone should ask whether RP remain the same, or if they're being 'simplified' to FnP. If it came down to it, I'd sacrifice Tesla just to keep RP.

**skoffs**

As Reanimation Protocols and We'll Be Back before it were the most quintessential thing about Necrons (they get back up), I doubt they'd strip that from them.

**JuniorRS13**

So, it sounds like the supplement might be of various dynasties and not just one? Each "bigger" dynasty with a formation granting some unique rules set or ability.

I'd like to see more info on this, seems very interesting

**CthuluIsSpy**

Might not even be a supplement - might be the Necron version of Chapter Tactics.

**TiamatRoar**

Probably the necron version of chapter tactics, the way it's described. I dunno just how different most dynasties are from each other though. The Maynarkh dynasty is insanely different but they already have their own Forgeworld separate army list.

...honestly, I can't even remember most of the Dynasties besides the Sautekh Dynasty, of which like, what, 80% of the Necron special characters belong to in the first place.

**CthuluIsSpy**

Well, there's the Severed, but I'm not sure that can count as a dynasty.

**Colpicklejar**

Don't get your hopes up too high, Phaerons. Don't forget that the Dynasty Tactics are accompanied by supposed "major" FoC changes.

Space Marine Chapter Tactics are basically free bonuses. Some might encourage you to take certain units (Bikes being a no-brainer for White Scars, for example), but they were no more invasive than that.

I suspect that these Dynasty rules will straight up DISALLOW other units, much like the Coven supplement. For example maybe particular dynasties are only allowed their specialty units, at the exclusion of others.

I think the coven supplement was cool and I think Dynasty tactics are also going to be cool, just saying I think one should expect something like that.