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I disagree that Blood Angels are boring or not important. There are unique aspects and units in the BA Army for one, then there is the history of 40K they were involved in if you will. The BA primarch fell in a one on one battle with Horus, Sanguinius in fact, had wounded Horus which allowed the Emperor to kill him. So the Blood Angels were there in the final battle with the War Master. They remained loyal. So there is a bit of important history that is behind them. I think they remain a true 30K Estartes Chapter on through to the 40th millennium.

 Zewrath wrote:

 wuestenfux wrote:
Well, I hope that after updating BA and Crons the 40k codices stay untouched for a while.

Care to elaborate?

What I mean is that edition seven should last for a while.
For this, the hard cover codices, all up to BA and Crons, should stay as they are until a new edition is set on stage.
In the meanwhile GW could update all codices and release them "at once" with the new edition.
But I guess this is not a viable option.

 wuestenfux wrote:

Well, I hope that after updating BA and Crons the 40k codices stay untouched for a while.

They really need to tone down eldar too.

 koooaei wrote:

 wuestenfux wrote:

Well, I hope that after updating BA and Crons the 40k codices stay untouched for a while.

They really need to tone down eldar too.

The problem with that is that it starts us back down the codex update treadmill. A lot of the Eldar stuff, namely Wave Spam, could be fixed with errata. If they go ahead and update that Codex, why wouldn't they go ahead and update Tau, and C:SM, and so on. I would like it better if they started making new models for those "older" codices and released the rules for them as dataslates. Or even if they released new sculpts of old characters and started retiring the Finecast models.

Of course, this is after they give a good update to the BA, of course.

I'll say what I always say, from one Black Templars player to his bloodcrazed brethren; be careful when wishing for updated rules. You might just get it.

 koooaei wrote:

 wuestenfux wrote:

Well, I hope that after updating BA and Crons the 40k codices stay untouched for a while.

They really need to tone down eldar too.

They won't
I think that the cycle will start again chronologically beginning with CSM.
40k is just a game not to be meant for competitive play.
If you want a competitive tabletop, go WMH with steamroller.

Apparently the floodgates have broken open in regards to the angels, with 4 sources in the last 36 hours speaking up about them being slated for somewhere between mid november and early december. I would like to think this thread had something to do with it (i kid, of course).

Soooo... can we get a thread up on the rumor section of this forum?

Well, against an armored tank company or an AV13 wall my Seer Council has a field day.
Once the unit is inside the enemy formation, the army breaks apart.
I've done it several times. It has always worked.

lol ... I'm not sure that really says anything at all about BA ... Congratulations on making one of the most OP units in the game work I guess? I mean if "But SEER COUNCIL!" is the argument, then CSM, DA, DE, IG,and Nids all have issues too and those are new books ... Something isn't "bad" because it can't beat the Council. The Council is "bad" because so little can beat it. Think about that ... lol/jk

The fact that BA are relegated to spamming armor speaks volumes. And I don't know a person anywhere who would buy $400+ worth of vehicles just to have an even chance at winning a non-competitive 40k game.

Anyone who's been playing for a while probably has enough Rhinos that they can proxy what they're missing. Plus, you don't have to buy everything at full price right from GW. There's plenty of discounters and my store even has a bitz box (I picked up two of my dakka preds. for a total of 40 bucks - just had to kit bash a few parts and repaint).

It's also NOT the only list they are relegated to. Drop pd angels works pretty well from what I've seen (I just don't play it for my BA because my Red Hunters are a DP/Airforce army and I want something different for my BA), Dread armies can catch people by surprise and there's several Death Company lists floating around that can be scary. My point wasn't that this was the only list ... just that it's the one I have the models for and it does well, but I'd like a change soon.

Plus, at this point, like I said above, it looks like most of the newer books are also now kind of stuck with mono builds in a lot of cases. There aren't many armies that have multiple "good" lists.

Apparently the floodgates have broken open in regards to the angels, with 4 sources in the last 36 hours speaking up about them being slated for somewhere between mid november and early december. I would like to think this thread had something to do with it (i kid, of course).

That would be cool! Hopefully it's true. While they are not nearly as bad as the web makes out, we do need some points adjustments at the very least.

Tycho wrote:
It's also NOT the only list they are relegated to. Drop pd angels works pretty well from what I've seen (I just don't play it for my BA because my Red Hunters are a DP/Airforce army and I want something different for my BA)

I haven't seen this firsthand, but I kind of have a hard time seeing this working well. Either you're taking Tac Squads, which are more expensive than other codices equivalents and lackluster in comparison, or you're taking Assault Squads, which only have half the damage output since they don't get bolters (although can take an extra special weapon if you take 10 models, granted). It might work if you're also dropping some Furiosos with them, but my main problem with non-AV13 wall BA is that by taking their infantry, you're accentuating one of their main weaknesses: most of their models are overcosted due to the Codex's age. That's the main advantage of the AV13 wall IMHO, that it minimizes points inefficiencies in favour of units which are comparably costed to the newer 'Dexes. Not saying that you couldn't make DP BA work, but you're essentially playing with a handicap just due to the Codex itself.

First one up is Pods.

5x Assault Marines w/ 1 meltagun, Sgt as 2x Infernus Pistol - 140 points (in a Pod).

Two of these is a good start. You get 4x ObSec units, two anti-tank drops, and you're a bit of a nuisance for not a lot of points.

Add in three Fragiosos and you've got five Pods for less than 800 points; three for punking troops, and two for tanks.

That leaves 1,000 or so points for the rest of the army (depending on point levels) which is enough to get a force that's not so piddly it will fall right over.

Something like that. It's from the tactics thread on Competitive Blood Angels. Like any other list it def. has its ups and downs and you do have to play carefully and make good choices but it can be pretty good.

 wuestenfux wrote:

If you want a competitive tabletop, go WMH with steamroller.

Sounds like: "Leave my overpowered stuff as it is! I want revenge for 5-th"

 koooaei wrote:

 wuestenfux wrote:

If you want a competitive tabletop, go WMH with steamroller.

Sounds like: "Leave my overpowered stuff as it is! I want Revenge of the fifth"

FTFY

Well I want BA update. I Hope they make a hardcover Sister's Codex sometime in the next year. Lol

Fireraven wrote:
Well I want BA update. I Hope they make a hardcover Sister's Codex sometime in the next year. Lol

Soon. Very soon, apparently. Like either november 15th or 22nd. Ive been eating my words from this thread so much that ive put on 10lbs.