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Hey guys!

My head is hurting big time on this one. With the release of the dark eldar codex, I can see the "realspace raiders" detachment. How is this used in terms of armies and allies? Say I want to take dark eldar as allies, can I use this special detachment? Or do I just follow the allies detachment rules as normal?

Same idea for the ghazkull supplement. There is a mandatory 1 elite selection there for those armies. Say I wanted to take them as allies, how would that work?

Thanks in advance!

So many people make this mistake:
Allied Detachment is just a name of a Detachment, we are not required to use it just to gain access to other factions.
One can select any number of Detachments, consisting of any Faction and from any book, but if they are different Factions then the Allied Matrix will inform us how well they get along on the battlefield.

As above, the rules for Allies is how units interact with each other within the same Army.

It's not just used for the Allied Detachment.

JinxDragon wrote:
So many people make this mistake:
Allied Detachment is just a name of a Detachment, we are not required to use it just to gain access to other factions.
One can select any number of Detachments, consisting of any Faction and from any book, but if they are different Factions then the Allied Matrix will inform us how well they get along on the battlefield.

Maybe we should mail GW and ask them to rename that damn Detachment because it causes so much confusion?
I always refer to Allied Detachment as "1 HQ/Troop-minimum that cannot be your Primary or share a Faction with your Primary"-Detachment.

Kangodo wrote:

JinxDragon wrote:
So many people make this mistake:
Allied Detachment is just a name of a Detachment, we are not required to use it just to gain access to other factions.
One can select any number of Detachments, consisting of any Faction and from any book, but if they are different Factions then the Allied Matrix will inform us how well they get along on the battlefield.

Maybe we should mail GW and ask them to rename that damn Detachment because it causes so much confusion?
I always refer to Allied Detachment as "1 HQ/Troop-minimum that cannot be your Primary or share a Faction with your Primary"-Detachment.

That is exactly what an Allied Detachment is...

I suggest you read the "Choosing Your Army" section of the 7th Edition BRB. It explains pretty clearly (imo) how you use Detachments to form a Battleforged Army.

 GoonBandito wrote:

Kangodo wrote:

JinxDragon wrote:
So many people make this mistake:
Allied Detachment is just a name of a Detachment, we are not required to use it just to gain access to other factions.
One can select any number of Detachments, consisting of any Faction and from any book, but if they are different Factions then the Allied Matrix will inform us how well they get along on the battlefield.

Maybe we should mail GW and ask them to rename that damn Detachment because it causes so much confusion?
I always refer to Allied Detachment as "1 HQ/Troop-minimum that cannot be your Primary or share a Faction with your Primary"-Detachment.

That is exactly what an Allied Detachment is...

I suggest you read the "Choosing Your Army" section of the 7th Edition BRB. It explains pretty clearly (imo) how you use Detachments to form a Battleforged Army.

where does it stand that you can have allies in a detatchment that isn't allied detatchment?

Ignore everything about how 6th edition worked and reread the section on how to build an army. It really is quite specific and straightforward.

mane11354 wrote:

 GoonBandito wrote:

Kangodo wrote:

JinxDragon wrote:
So many people make this mistake:
Allied Detachment is just a name of a Detachment, we are not required to use it just to gain access to other factions.
One can select any number of Detachments, consisting of any Faction and from any book, but if they are different Factions then the Allied Matrix will inform us how well they get along on the battlefield.

Maybe we should mail GW and ask them to rename that damn Detachment because it causes so much confusion?
I always refer to Allied Detachment as "1 HQ/Troop-minimum that cannot be your Primary or share a Faction with your Primary"-Detachment.

That is exactly what an Allied Detachment is...

I suggest you read the "Choosing Your Army" section of the 7th Edition BRB. It explains pretty clearly (imo) how you use Detachments to form a Battleforged Army.

where does it stand that you can have allies in a detatchment that isn't allied detatchment?

There is no requirement that different Detachments in an army must come from the same Faction. It's not like you choose an "Army Faction" and anything else must be taken in an Allied Detachment; you just take a collection of Detachments from any source you want, the only restrictions being those listed for specific Detachments.

You could take two CADs from different Factions without problems, and the units from each CAD would use the Allies Matrix to determine how they interact with each other.

Have a read of the whole "Choosing Your Army" section, but please forget everything you knew about force organisation in previous editions. It is completely different now, so it is best to approach it as if it were a new game entirely.

In the rules stating that you can have detachments from any codex.

The "Allied detachment" is just a fancy namd detachment. If you read, there is nothing stating that this is the only way to bring in allied forces.

Yup, this, for example is a legit Battleforged Army. Would be a ton of points, but you can mix and match as much as you want. The only requirements are that your Warlord can't come from an Allied Detachment (the one with 1HQ/1Troop minimum) and your Allied Detachments (again, 1HQ/1Troop minimum) can't share a faction with your primary detachment. The Primary detachment is whichever detachment or formation has your Warlord.

Primary Detachment
1. Realspace Raiders Detachment - Dark Eldar

Various Allied Detachments and Formations
2. Realspace Raiders Detachment #2 - Dark Eldar
3. Tau Fire Support Cadre Formation - Tau Empire
4. Combined Arms Detachment - Space Marines [Salamanders]
5. Combined Arms Detachment - Eldar
6. Allied Detachment - Space Marines [Ultramarines]
7. Allied Detachment - Farsight Enclaves
8. Allied Detachment - Chaos Daemons
9. Legion of the Damned Detachment - Legion of the Damned
10. Assassin Detachment - Offico Assassinorum
11. Imperial Knights Detachment - Imperial Knights

 GoonBandito wrote:
That is exactly what an Allied Detachment is...

I suggest you read the "Choosing Your Army" section of the 7th Edition BRB. It explains pretty clearly (imo) how you use Detachments to form a Battleforged Army.

Are you explaining Detachments to me?
The issue is that we have both "allied Detachments" and "Allied Detachments".