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I rectract my statement of its nice to see them posting "news" articles on their site every few days. Instead of anything rule based, its pretty much more random pointless crap. PDF updates are required, not this junk "news".

Soon to be pitch forks on the infinity site. A lot of TOs are saying their player base is waining and moving to other games because its taking so long. Im sure if there was a big player base here it would be the same.

The article is pointless indeed. I find it really stupid. I don't why they would bother uploading that.

str00dles1 wrote:
I rectract my statement of its nice to see them posting "news" articles on their site every few days. Instead of anything rule based, its pretty much more random pointless crap. PDF updates are required, not this junk "news".

Soon to be pitch forks on the infinity site. A lot of TOs are saying their player base is waining and moving to other games because its taking so long. Im sure if there was a big player base here it would be the same.

Yeah, the funny updates are a tad too much "Spanish Humor" it seems.

But for TO's to have their player base moving to other games because it's been less than a month since the N3 rules dropped, and the HS+CP PDFs aren't out yet? The new ITS season doesn't start until February at the earliest.
Have ANY of those players even played an N3 game, much less familiarized themselves with the basic changes brought by N3? To bring in the probable complications from the new PDF's, they might want to get the new rule set well in hand before they go to a tourney and get schooled by someone that HAS got the new rules down to a T.

It's been a very short period of time, in a period of time that is usually a slowdown in hobby gaming due to holidays.

I'm waiting for the PDFs as much as anyone. But really, the existing units and reusing N2 Profiles still works for 95% of the models, and still presents for a good game.

The only things that need changing are pretty cornercase (ie, EVO Repeaters). Everything else can just be directly ported. Alternatively, all N2 profiles except basic LI are discounted 10%, and then prices generally match up with the reductions to stuff like multirifles and multi snipers. Increase TAG SWC cost by 0.5, and remove any non-modelled secondary weapon. Etc.

Koni on the Spanish Forum:
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Posteo para relajar los ánimos y repetir lo que ya dije hace X paginas: estarán pronto, pero no voy a dar ninguna fecha (hoy no, es evidente). Tampoco voy a pasarme cada 2 horas para deciros que no están. Os avisaré en el momento que estén, ni más ni menos. ¿Estarán antes del comienzo de ITS? Si, por supuesto. ¿Porque tarda tanto, Koni? Porque son MUCHAS páginas de PDF (+/- 200) y en 2 idiomas, y hay mucho que revisar, y no vale con 2 ojos, ni 4. Y no vale leerlo una sola vez.
Así que descansad el finde sin más estrés. Y recordad, en cuanto estén yo os aviso.
Un saludo y buen finde
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I'm posting to lighten the mood and repeat what I said X pages ago: the pdfs will be soon, but I will not give any date (it wont be today, obviously). Nor will I spend every two hours to tell you they aren't ready. I will tell you when they are ready. Will they be before the start of ITS? they will, of course. Why does it take so long, Koni?Because they are MANY pages PDF (+/- 200) and in 2 languages, and there is much to review, and it's not enough with 2 eyes nor 4. And it's not enouhg reading it just once.
So take your rest the weekend without stress. And remember, as soon as they're ready I'll tell you.
Greetings and nice weekend


As for the above comment to take n2 guy works 95% of the time, yes and no. I play Aleph mainly. So I hope you can understand that while yes I have used them in a few N3 games, im basically gimping myself pretty hard because im paying more for less. Achillies is terrible, most of the sectorial for them is terrible, because their CC is not on part with most others nor are the points adusted for it. Even basic Aleph is far more over costed then needed to use em right.

Most of the cost-changes are quite easily predictable if you look at what we have. Add +3 to CC on any model with any kind of close combat special rule (some are actually more or less in reality, but it is a fine rule of thumb; and of course, some units will receive a bump without any rules, but for the conversion I would save it for the specialists), reduce the price of MULTI rifles and snipers on units that have them. Knock a point off of the BSG. Give all skirmishers multiterrain.

For the most part you should be golden until the HS profiles drop.

The upside to CB using a point formula is that you can reverse engineer the simpler bits of it and apply it to old profiles. It wont be pitch perfect for all units.

Alternatively, go back to basics and get a taste for what Infinity was like back when 1st Edition dropped and proxy your collection in to stuff in the core book (even works for Aleph and Tohaa). Some of my fondest memories were my groups early proxy-heavy games using the quickstart rules. Though the situation is somewhat flipped. Back then, there weren't enough minis for all the profiles in the core-book, and in this case there are too many minis for the profiles in the core book. But thumbing through my N3 book reminded me of some good times pre-N2 and even pre-HS. N3 is every bit as fully-formed and awesome out of the box as its predecessors even without having all the content of HS and Paradiso out of the box.

Besides, there are enough changes to the base rules that a few weeks without adding the extra content should help a lot of groups get the basics down. I mean, many of us only received our physical books last week, and few have played any games at all. It is kind of a blessing that the full content isn't being posted prior to my games night this weekend, because I want to get a game in with just the basic core rules before pandora's box opens and floods things with HS/Paradiso content.

Hopefully I can get 2-3 games in before that happens so that I can get over my 2nd Edition preconceptions before the complexity ramps up.

200 page pdf? sounds like they're updating more than just units. Sounds like a lot of rules. Sounds like they are invalidating the reason that they didn't just put all the rules in one book in the first place. *slow clap*

Nope. It's just the army lists.

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Yan Huo ML

Ragik (no further intel)

Both O:I starters

SWC box of Unidrons.

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Henshini wrote:
200 page pdf? sounds like they're updating more than just units. Sounds like a lot of rules. Sounds like they are invalidating the reason that they didn't just put all the rules in one book in the first place. *slow clap*

The problem with that explanation is that the "200 page PDF" really doesn't mean much when you realize that it is likely a lot of rehashing/rewording of the stuff in Paradiso or Human Sphere.

Or the fact that the new unit profile design is nearly double the space.

Whilst more than happy to pay to for great fluff, I want nice tidy and easy to print

Rules
Reference and cheat sheets
Army Lists

If post the arrival of the PDFs these cant be achieved, and someone gets a project going, I hereby volunteer many hours of data entry and checking.

If someone is looking for a chat, come and chat with the rest of us:

http://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=%23%23infinitythegame

For me that sniper shot looks like Jagular arm.

It may not be a new model, but we got another look at Angel's rusty new look for Scarface this week.

https://www.facebook.com/StudioGiraldez/photos/a.436892756371637.101770.436491416411771/833004103427165/?type=1

Angel has been mentioning that he's making a combination of the normal and Bootleg Scarfaces. All these shots are probably of that.

 Absolutionis wrote:
Angel has been mentioning that he's making a combination of the normal and Bootleg Scarfaces. All these shots are probably of that.

I'd assume it's going to be tied into the release announcement for his painting book.

 IJW wrote:
Nope. It's just the army lists.

If they publish Human Sphere and Campaign Paradiso updated to N3 as a free PDF... that would be giving away for FREE 2 books that people would even PAY for.
Scary socialism!!!

In fact, CB will give for FREE stuff that their distinguised competitors will surely release as products, you know, those things that some fools actually BUY.

But, hey, let's keep asking for more FREE stuff from CB, and demand it NOW, and let's keep on doing it with this strange mix of threatening manners and bs.

Seriously, the hardcore fanbase deserves NO PDF.

 BobbaFett wrote:

 IJW wrote:
Nope. It's just the army lists.

If they publish Human Sphere and Campaign Paradiso updated to N3 as a free PDF... that would be giving away for FREE 2 books that people would even PAY for.
Scary socialism!!!

In fact, CB will give for FREE stuff that their distinguised competitors will surely release as products, you know, those things that some fools actually BUY.

But, hey, let's keep asking for more FREE stuff from CB, and demand it NOW, and let's keep on doing it with this strange mix of threatening manners and bs.

Seriously, the hardcore fanbase deserves NO PDF.

Third time I'll say it, Alphie.
I'd rather wait for them to make a quality release and do it right. I don't want a broken mess of PDFs rushed out to placate angry nerds.

Doing it right would have been to wait and not rush the N3 book to release in 2014 holiday season, and instead just wait and consolidate everything to be the perfect combination of consolidated book, army builder, and PDFs online.

So yes, I would also like to wait for them to make a quality release and do it right. But since they chose not to, this is pretty reasonable criticism for a poor decision.

 Vertrucio wrote:
Doing it right would have been to wait and not rush the N3 book to release in 2014 holiday season, and instead just wait and consolidate everything to be the perfect combination of consolidated book, army builder, and PDFs online.

So yes, I would also like to wait for them to make a quality release and do it right. But since they chose not to, this is pretty reasonable criticism for a poor decision.

How dare a company make a scheduling and production error that results in a minor inconvenience to their impatient customers.

I mean, Wizards of the Coast was burnt to the ground when they released the 5th edition Players Handbook without simultaneously releasing the DM's Guide and Monster Manual.

Yeah, I'm not that worried about an edition shift having delays- Malifaux's has been out for more than a year and some of the old minis aren't statted out again. It's not ideal, but I've had plenty of time learning the new edition without needing access to every model.

 solkan wrote:

How dare a company make a scheduling and production error that results in a minor inconvenience to their impatient customers.

I mean, Wizards of the Coast was burnt to the ground when they released the 5th edition Players Handbook without simultaneously releasing the DM's Guide and Monster Manual.

How dare a customer call out my favorite besthesth company in the world that can do no wrong for making a bad decision. They will love me no matter what. Certainly my bestest buddy company will never do me wrong, such as wasting hundreds of my dollars by discontinuing my army.

CB doesn't need white knights in the same way GW doesn't. And again, it's really not about the minor inconvenience of a delayed PDF, it's the fact that they chose to release early instead of doing the expected consolidation that would have stopped all of this in the first place. Or, you know what, they could still delay the pdfs for extra units and still have consolidated all the rules, leaving only the additional units for later. Either way, making sure all the rules were there and up front for new players in an $80 rulebook is kind of important.

Lastly, an RPG is pretty different from a miniature game. In such games, it's usually assumed you make up 99% of the game. Indeed, a player's guide is all you really need to start playing since many GMs can just make up the rest of the content during play. That's kind of a terrible comparison.

 spiralingcadaver wrote:
Yeah, I'm not that worried about an edition shift having delays- Malifaux's has been out for more than a year and some of the old minis aren't statted out again. It's not ideal, but I've had plenty of time learning the new edition without needing access to every model.

Yes I feel the same way.

Correct that a slightly updated book with some new stats, perhaps a new unit, could have been constituted as a 'new' release and CB could have taken that route to flog some more books. Glad that they haven't taken that route!

Before Alpharius has to say it, how about we take all the off topic discussion about the not released pdfs elsewhere. When they release (and that is news worthy) you can talk about them here, it is getting tiresome to have to wade through several posts of black knighting and white knighting over pdfs when I just want to see some news.

If I wanted to do that I could go over to the official boards and get my fill.

Yes, thank you Omegon NuclearMessiah!

Giraldez says tomorrow is a big surprise on his YouTube channel.

https://www.facebook.com/StudioGiraldez/posts/835717953155780

Probably a showcase of the Scarface full miniature and/or information on the Book's release.

I hope the 'Limited to 5k' copies really just means the 1st printing. I see 5k copies being sold extremely fast. I can't see why he wouldn't want to sell another 5k copies given the demand (which I think will become obvious).

 Michael Bishop wrote:
I hope the 'Limited to 5k' copies really just means the 1st printing. I see 5k copies being sold extremely fast. I can't see why he wouldn't want to sell another 5k copies given the demand (which I think will become obvious).

If it does well I can't see him not printing more, but yeah he's funding it all himself so I understand not wanting to risk printing too many.

To bring it back to the topic of unreleased PDFs (sorry!), we've had word from some warcors that it's this week, and this screenshot also appeared. This is from ARMY 5.