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This weekend I am playing a game against a dark Eldar player. Last time I ran speed freaks against his beast horde that chewed up my small boyz squads before they could even attack and I unluckily had no flamers or blasts to counter him. I was tabled. Now I have a rematch this weekend and I want a win, so I'm trying a walker wall (which I've never run before). Only one detachment is allowed, so I'm taking the Ork horde formation for the 3 HQs. He's probably taking the new DE formation, that's my best guess cause he runs lots of venoms (or used to, we'll see in the new codex.)

HQ- 270
WARLORD- Big Mek with KFF on Bike, Da Finkin Kap- 120
Painboy with grot orderly- 55
Painboy with grot orderly- 55
2 Mekaniak Meks with rokkit launchas- 40

Troops- 415
20 Shoota Boyz with 2 big shootas, Boss Nob with PK and BP- 190
20 Shoota Boyz with 2 big shootas, Boss Nob with PK and BP- 190
Gretchin- 35

Fast Attack- 259
Wartrakk with rokkits- 30
Blitza Bommer- 135
3 Warbikers with Boss Nob with PK and BP- 94

Heavy Support
Deff Dread with 2 Skorchas- 90
6 Killa Kans with 4 Grotzookas and 2 rokkit launchas- 320
10 Lootas with 1 Mek with rokkit launcha- 145

The strategy is to roll once on the Ork Warlord chart, and once on the tactical chart. The painboys go in the boyz squads, and the Gretchin bubble wrap the Lootas in my backfield. My Big Mek cruises along in the middle of everything with his biker boyz, and he shields as many boyz and Kans as he can. The Dread is in the middle of everything. I think this list will be effective but please respond with any C & C. Thank you for the help! Waaaaagh!


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And my opponent is potentially taking 3 flyers of his own (ones with 2 dark lances each) so I need an idea to counter that.

Flamers works well. I don't know about the new codex but I suppose it did not change that.
Try outflanking skorchas. If he likes to lurk his venoms near table sides, and in particular if he cluster them there (normally to prevent Los from your guns), a well placed template str5 ap4 will fry them and their content.

So I'm thinking to replace my Blitza-Bommer with a Dakkajet to try and counter his 3 planes with bombs and dark lances. Also I'm considering changing my Wartrakk to a war skorcha... Any other critiques? Is walker wall effective against DE?


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The game is in two days so I kinda want some feedback...

Hmm ok,

id drop the rokkits on the meks, they are there to eat challenges for your nob, I wouldn't bother with the scorcha traks, I just dont think they are that great, id stick with the TL rokkits on the buggies imo. great manouverability combined with rokkits for side armour/rear hunting. Whereever you end up saving points pokkit buggies are a good cheap investment.

How are you running your kan units? if its one big unit of 6 (havent got my dex so cant check unit max.) then id make all 6 grotzookas, just because the range difference is 6" and you are gona want them all running turn 1 and all shooting the same turn they are in range.

If its two units, a 4 and a 2, id consider dropping the 2 rokkit ones for more rokkit buggies. I find that kans as rokkit platforms aren't that great, they aren't mobile enough.

Not too sure about what to do against his flyers. but a dakkajet would be a good swap in that case. your lootas are also one of your go too's.

As for tactics?
If hes going realspace raider detachment, he will be DSing a whole lot of units. im not really sure what to expect, as he could still run a beast pack based list with the new DE dex. it would be different but still viable.

Do come back and let us know how it goes

Ork Flyers vs eldar ones...i'm not sure if it could end well to orkses.

Also, come to think of it, buggies are AV value, so the DE poison shots will be pretty ineffective. I think your large amount of AV will certainly help you out. The buggies, kanz and dreds are all pretty untouchable from majority of his infantry weapon types. Leaving only dark lances to deal damage... If im correct? poison cant hurt AV right? or does it count as some arbitary str value for vehicles?

But if poison can't touch your AV, id consider dropping a few boys in order to get trukks? that way, every unit you have is AV (bar your bikes and lootas). so his venoms, warriors and anything else poison literally cant do anything until armour is popped, although it does leave him shooting at your lootas, which are also a big threat to him, being str 7 and able to bring down most of those DE vehicles nicely.

But imo more AV is an option.... as if he uses his dark lances and other anti AV stuff on your kanz/dreds he is leaving your boys in there armoured vehicles... so what do his venoms do now? he's limited target wise by the fact half his army can't touch your units. But if he chooses to pop your transports in order to get at the boys with his poison shots he's ignoring your kanz and dreds. Which with T3, S3 models hes gona be looking at a tough time in CC.

Last game I spammed trukks... His horde of beasts ended up killing all the Trukk boyz squads before they could attack... I will also change the kans to all zookas (I had the rokkits in there to be TAC and make a more flexible unit). I think that poison is slightly overrated (except against bikes). The fact that it can't hurt AV is why I chose walker wall as a tactic. I'll drop the rokkits on the two Meks. Do you think a 5+ cover 5+ FNP makes my boyz safer? I just hate having 150 points in trukks and him killing the trukks with dark lances, also walker wall is slow, trukks are fast and having two waves isn't as effective (I've heard). Thanks for the continued assistance!


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Will his dark lance planes wreck my kans in one phase?


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Should I try to substitute my bikers for a second Dakkajet?

i can see your reluctance to take trukks. hmm as regards to hid DE luckily just got the dex myself so gona check a few things.
IE. the cost of his flyers, as currently i think you may be overestimating what he can bring.

if he brings 3 flyers thats gona be about 150 for the jet fighter, 200+ per bomber, thats like 600 pts,

beast packs have also changed, but can get expensive quick. clawed fiends are the thing this dex and are 30ppm so a pretty hefty price.

i wouldnt worry too much about the beast packs wiping all your boys.... why.... because this time your gona keep em away from that unit

i cant for the life of me find it; but blast weapons hit people inside transports like templates do? if so your grotzookas will be well used if hes got all his units in venoms etc your 2 shot str 6 blasts will not only be able to wreck his transports but most likely kill a good few inside.

as for his dark lances. imo, lances are your friend single shot, lance (which doesnt apply to your non av12 vehicles) str 8 ap2. so glance on 3 pen on 4. those arent exactly effecient when targetting low av walker/ buggie lists. id much rather have large volume of fire at str 7 or 6 even, which lances are not

yeh his flyer might take out 1 kan a turn or something, not exactly uber effective that.

personally as i dont know what hes gona field, your lootas if left to their own devices will wreck a vehicle every turn almost guaranteed. they will also provide quite a lot of firepower vs a beast pack, as they are str 7. also reasonable anti air, due to volume of fire, needing only 3s to glance. 30 shots, 5 hits, 3-4 glances or pens. so decent rolling your lootas will mince most of his vehicles.

id try and keep em alive where possible. definitely stick em in cover

not really much else to add, i think you stand a good chance most of his vehicles are low av. actually ALL his vehicles are av 11 and below, your lootas, bikes, zookas, rokkit buggies all have the strength to glance and pen him combined with high rates of fire. I think your well armed to take him on do come back and let us know how it goes!

I will definitely let you know how it goes... I'm bubble wrapping the Lootas with Grots to screen them from fire and charges


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And I believe he's taking the bombers, so 540 points in a beta-strike. And I don't think flyers benefit as much from his new Pain rule thing


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I reworked my list to have Trukk boyz, and I'm concerned by my lack of bodies... I will have NO chance at all to benefit from the HOW given by the ork formation...

do you have any tracktor cannons? or something you can proxy? because they would ruin his day. im assuming that hes gona pack em more anti horde, as your orks so hopefully you'll have reduced his target effectiency with your av wall.

Just learned I'm allowed to go unbound... Seems like a good idea cause all I'm getting is a reroll on the ork table...


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And I am allowed 350 more points cause he wants an 1850 game

tracktor cannons
tracktor cannons
tracktor cannons

they will seriously ruin his flyers. As you are sure hes bringing them. more lootas if you can? great for peppering his vehicles.

well what can you bring? is probably a good question

1850 unbound?
How many buggies and Killer Kans do you own?
Run ALL of them.
Give them all a Scorcha.
Profit.

Seriously, you could have 21 individual buggies and 20 Killer Kans at 1850.
You'll be immune to half his shooting, ignore his cover, and hit the transports, and the guys in side. Killing the infantry on 2+ and ignoring their armor and cover.

Nothing scares me more than spammed light armor and templates.

How'd it go?

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How'd it go?

It was a real bummer. At the last second he cancelled because he couldn't make it to the shop.

Ah man thats gutting :(

I'd gotten so excited I almost thought I was going to be playing!

This weekend for sure