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This is merely a Chapter Master with permanent enhancements from 3 very-coveted psychic powers. As stated, the three powers listed are in permanent effect on him, and have been merged with his statline. Outside of broken rules, 3+ seems to be the maximum you can get for DtW (unless you're Kharn or a GK with that one relic).

Weakness wise, he only has 3 wounds, as he is only a chapter master, not an uber-marine like Mephiston or Draigo. He counts as a psyker, but this also means he cannot use powers (he is technically using the 3 listed anyway). The goal is to keep him from not being wounded at all, so hope that your saving throws are in your favour.

It'd be fine for like 350-400 pts.

Besides, don't chapter masters have 4 wounds...for some reason?

They've always been W3 in the various codicies, so I've read. Calgar and Lysander have W4, but they're technologically-enhanced. No psychic power that I know of increases the number of Wounds.

Chapter masters in the 6th Edition codex have 4 wounds.

I also think T7 and I7 is too much.

Well, your hopes are most likely dashed. This guy is intensely overpowered regardless of cost.

He's not a psyker, but he has all of these psychic powers on him at all times and there is absolutely nothing an opponent can do to stop them. Of course, you have Fleshbane and Armorbane AND AP2 on a sword, even though he already has a permanent Smash. And Eternal Warrior. And a better FNP than most (which thanks to his inflated Toughness, he can take against anything short of Instant Death wounds). Oh, and he has a 3+ DTW because he is just that awesome.

He can crush anything in combat. He has absolutely no weaknesses. He has too many attacks (thanks to Warp Speed) to be tarpitted. Nothing can effectively wound him. He can easily kill anything from Grot to Bloodthirster, and thanks to Armorbane, he has more than a passing chance at killing Imperial Knights in one combat.

All of the "weaknesses" you give him are false weaknesses that have no impact on how he plays. Chief among these is your claim that "since he cannot cast, it is a weakness". But he DOES cast. He casts the 3 most powerful combat buffs on himself at all times. And there's no defense against it and he never runs the risks of Perils. Why would he ever cast?

The more I think about it, the more out of control powerful I find him to be. This guy needs to go back to the drawing board from the ground up.

 curran12 wrote:
Well, your hopes are most likely dashed. This guy is intensely overpowered regardless of cost.

That's not true. Yep, the character is a single most killy + unkillable cheezy beatstick ever. But he has speed issues and if he's costed appropriately (which is around ~350 for 3 wounds, ~400 for 4 wounds, i think), he runs into the problem all cheezy beatstick characters face. They cost like 2 a bit less cheezy beatsticks. See, there's basically no reason to take him over a shield eternal biker CM. Yep, he's more killy and absolutely unkillable by regular means but your average shield eternal chapter master is allready enough and is way faster.

OP basically proposes a primarch. And we all know that primarchs, even as good as they are, are not overpowered on tabletop just cause they cost that much and have delivery issues.

Sorry, but please name the Primarch that auto-casts 3 powers per turn with no form of defense against it, again?

 curran12 wrote:
Sorry, but please name the Primarch that auto-casts 3 powers per turn with no form of defense against it, again?

They allready have t7 i7, so, don't need to. Besides, their stats can't be lowered by crudelix, who can deny this cm's buffs.

Made some changes:

- dropped the 3+ DtW to Adamantium Will
- expanded how he can "use" powers but cannot cast others
- gave him a better weakness which works best IF he is wounded
- dropped AP2 from his weapon, but left Fleshbane and Armourbane (permanent "Warp Surge")
- dropped Storm Shield (no need thanks to "Warp Surge" effect)

Now that's more interesting in an insane way. Though, doesn't he still have ap2 from iron arm?

He does. Iron Arm gives you smash, which in addition to the single double Strength attack, makes all attacks AP2.

Everything is fine if it costs enough points. Nothing is ok if it costs too little.

Also, he has no independent character rule, so he can't join a unit.

I'm sorry what? Look at the first thing under his special rules: IC.

And that logic is flawed.If I make something cost 2000 points but it is impossible to kill, it is broken despite costing a whole army. We do need to see costing, however.

NeoAigaion wrote:

Oh, it's you.

Here, this is how to make a chapter master. I came up with this just now, just for this thread. I literally just started typing and it came out.

Redemptor Prandias, Occipter of the Adulators Chapter - 150 points

Profile: see Chapter Master, Codex: Space Marines

Wargear: Artificer Armor, Iron Halo, Maiming Rod, las pistol, frag and krak grenades.

Special Rules: And They Shall Know No Fear, Orbital Bombardment, Mounted Assault, Infinity Device

Options: this model may be equipped with a space marine bike for 30 points.

Maiming Rod: the Maiming Rod is a master-crafted power maul. All unsaved wounds inflicted by the Maiming Rod count twice when calculating the assault result.

Inifinity Device: If a Land Raider is included in the same detachment as Redemptor Prandias, all units within 6" of it benefit from a 4+ invulnerable save against shooting. This Land Raider does not occupy a space on the force organization chart.

Why not just make him a psyker and give him those three powers?

raverrn wrote:
Why not just make him a psyker and give him those three powers?

Because then they must be successfully casted, preferably without perils, can be denied and don't provide space for "Kharn vs invis"-like arguments when it comes to fighting Culexus and its Aura of Nope.

Truth to be told, that would also make him "like Mephiston, but different", which would decrease swag points he is supposed to score by his homebrew status.

So basically you want all the advantages of being a psyker with none of the downsides?

Okay.

This is one of the most ridiculously powerful and illogical things ever posted on this forum.

You guyz miss the part where he has a 5/6 chance to take additional wound + has a chance to insta-die.

He might be reasonable depending on the cost.


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But yep, people are just tired of uber-characters.

Why not implement a power-surge idea for a regular captain with some not-outstanding wargear.

Terminator armor, power sword, stormbolter.
Constant warp surge.

Done.

He still has 3++, fleshbane, armorbane, ap2 due to surge. Not many attacks but they're powerful. And he'll easilly go around 170 pts without being overpowered.

 koooaei wrote:
You guyz miss the part where he has a 5/6 chance to take additional wound + has a chance to insta-die.

When his Tougness 7 takes an unsaved wound against his 2+/3++ save? Who cares, it's still infantile.

 DarknessEternal wrote:

 koooaei wrote:
You guyz miss the part where he has a 5/6 chance to take additional wound + has a chance to insta-die.

When his Tougness 7 takes an unsaved wound against his 2+/3++ save? Who cares, it's still infantile.

t7 2 wounds that might cost 300+

Yep, i also think that the rules are a bit awkward. People are just tired of "my fancy spessh marine hero with eternal warrior" type of propositions. But i liked the warp surge idea. It's interesting at least. That's why i've proposed a character with this stuff above.