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Not including xenos or chaos or whatever...but is he the most wanted human being in the imperium...cause it seems like it

Eh, probably Abadon's head on a pike would be rated a lot higher.

Depends on what you mean by "most wanted". Very few know who cypher is. No one outside the unforgiven know, and even among this hand full of chapters, few of them know. Although we don't know how many people are in the know enough to know who cypher is, we can take a guess that only the Death Wing and Raven Wing, and their equivalents in the other unforgiven chapters, along with the Interrogator Chaplins and a few others, are hunting him, although not all know his name. We are not given numbers for any of these, but we do know there is probably less than 10 unforgiven chapters, and guess at between 50 and 200 in each company in each chapter, depending on numbers deemed ready and recent losses, so probably a maximum of 5000 people looking for him would be a reasonable number.

I'm sure that there are many people the inquisition are hunting or people wanted by the Arbites, or even particularly dangerous criminals on some hives probably have more people after them.

However, the Unforgiven probably hunt with more zeal than anyone else, and if they told anyone then there would be many more people hunting cypher, but they would have allot of questions to answer.

 Steve steveson wrote:
Depends on what you mean by "most wanted". Very few know who cypher is. No one outside the unforgiven know, and even among this hand full of chapters, few of them know. Although we don't know how many people are in the know enough to know who cypher is, we can take a guess that only the Death Wing and Raven Wing, and their equivalents in the other unforgiven chapters, along with the Interrogator Chaplins and a few others, are hunting him, although not all know his name. We are not given numbers for any of these, but we do know there is probably less than 10 unforgiven chapters, and guess at between 50 and 200 in each company in each chapter, depending on numbers deemed ready and recent losses, so probably a maximum of 5000 people looking for him would be a reasonable number.

I'm sure that there are many people the inquisition are hunting or people wanted by the Arbites, or even particularly dangerous criminals on some hives probably have more people after them.

However, the Unforgiven probably hunt with more zeal than anyone else, and if they told anyone then there would be many more people hunting cypher, but they would have allot of questions to answer.

what exactly is cypher's motives

Nobody knows, that is the point!

I like to think his sword is an anti-perpetual weapon and he is working to slay the emperor and thus free him from the golden throne by allowing his re-birth. He needs to weaken the imperium in some parts to achieve this, but conversly also needs to keep the imperium strong so it can eventually be saved.
I just like the whole 'hunted ranger' who is trying to achieve the greatest good possible, whilst having to do some dastardly things in the process.
All absolute conjecture. Nobody really knows.

Poly Ranger wrote:
I like to think his sword is an anti-perpetual weapon and he is working to slay the emperor and thus free him from the golden throne by allowing his re-birth. He needs to weaken the imperium in some parts to achieve this, but conversly also needs to keep the imperium strong so it can eventually be saved.
I just like the whole 'hunted ranger' who is trying to achieve the greatest good possible, whilst having to do some dastardly things in the process.
All absolute conjecture. Nobody really knows.

so he is on a path of redemption and absolution

I like to think he doesn't need to - that he was one of the few who resisted Luther on Caliban, but the DA don't care, they just want to eliminate that aspect of their history.
Maybe the Emperor is the one watching over him, as Cypher is his escape from the vampiric clutches of the golden throne.
All this is in my head of course - absolutely no proof.

Poly Ranger wrote:
I like to think he doesn't need to - that he was one of the few who resisted Luther on Caliban, but the DA don't care, they just want to eliminate that aspect of their history.
Maybe the Emperor is the one watching over him, as Cypher is his escape from the vampiric clutches of the golden throne.
All this is in my head of course - absolutely no proof.

that would make sense....since wouldn't cypher be like the oldest guy in the galaxy right now....along with abaddon etc..


seeing as he was around during the heresy and is still kicking it in 41st millenium

not even dante is no where near that age...lol

Cypher doesn't exist, what are you talking about?

Poly Ranger wrote:
I like to think his sword is an anti-perpetual weapon and he is working to slay the emperor and thus free him from the golden throne by allowing his re-birth. He needs to weaken the imperium in some parts to achieve this, but conversly also needs to keep the imperium strong so it can eventually be saved.
I just like the whole 'hunted ranger' who is trying to achieve the greatest good possible, whilst having to do some dastardly things in the process.
All absolute conjecture. Nobody really knows.

An Anti-Perpetual weapon kills perpetuals, Destroys them forever.
I think you've confused terminology.

Maybe you meant he's trying to kill the Emperor(Normally) so he can bring his rebirth.

the thing is the emperor is a perpetual right, so only a fulgurite can kill him...not the lions sword

LightKing wrote:

Poly Ranger wrote:
I like to think he doesn't need to - that he was one of the few who resisted Luther on Caliban, but the DA don't care, they just want to eliminate that aspect of their history.
Maybe the Emperor is the one watching over him, as Cypher is his escape from the vampiric clutches of the golden throne.
All this is in my head of course - absolutely no proof.

that would make sense....since wouldn't cypher be like the oldest guy in the galaxy right now....along with abaddon etc..


seeing as he was around during the heresy and is still kicking it in 41st millenium

not even dante is no where near that age...lol

Bjorn would like a word.

 Psienesis wrote:

LightKing wrote:

Poly Ranger wrote:
I like to think he doesn't need to - that he was one of the few who resisted Luther on Caliban, but the DA don't care, they just want to eliminate that aspect of their history.
Maybe the Emperor is the one watching over him, as Cypher is his escape from the vampiric clutches of the golden throne.
All this is in my head of course - absolutely no proof.

that would make sense....since wouldn't cypher be like the oldest guy in the galaxy right now....along with abaddon etc..


seeing as he was around during the heresy and is still kicking it in 41st millenium

not even dante is no where near that age...lol

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Bjorn would like a word.

so bjorn and cypher would be the oldest then

but bjorn is in a venerable dreadnought....while cypher s still running around in space marine armour

Ahriman is probably the oldest as he was born on Terra and fought in the very beginning of the great Crusade.

Khonsu wrote:
Ahriman is probably the oldest as he was born on Terra and fought in the very beginning of the great Crusade.

then why does everyone act like dante is the oldest when he is only 1200 years old or something when there are guys that are 10,000 years old

because inconsistency. space maries are biologically immortal.

Khonsu wrote:

Poly Ranger wrote:
I like to think his sword is an anti-perpetual weapon and he is working to slay the emperor and thus free him from the golden throne by allowing his re-birth. He needs to weaken the imperium in some parts to achieve this, but conversly also needs to keep the imperium strong so it can eventually be saved.
I just like the whole 'hunted ranger' who is trying to achieve the greatest good possible, whilst having to do some dastardly things in the process.
All absolute conjecture. Nobody really knows.

An Anti-Perpetual weapon kills perpetuals, Destroys them forever.
I think you've confused terminology.

Maybe you meant he's trying to kill the Emperor(Normally) so he can bring his rebirth.

The anti-perpetual weapon didn't kill vulkan though. Whatever we want to call it - I mean the sword is something which has the power to 'kill' the emperor.

LightKing wrote:

Khonsu wrote:
Ahriman is probably the oldest as he was born on Terra and fought in the very beginning of the great Crusade.

then why does everyone act like dante is the oldest when he is only 1200 years old or something when there are guys that are 10,000 years old

Because he is the oldest natural space marine.

Dante: Good livin'
Bjorn: Dreadnought. You really want to toss the guy on permanent life support the oldest stick?
Ahriman: Warp affected
Cypher: Warp affected

People who spend time in the warp, where time changes, don't qualify.

Poly Ranger wrote:

Khonsu wrote:

Poly Ranger wrote:
I like to think his sword is an anti-perpetual weapon and he is working to slay the emperor and thus free him from the golden throne by allowing his re-birth. He needs to weaken the imperium in some parts to achieve this, but conversly also needs to keep the imperium strong so it can eventually be saved.
I just like the whole 'hunted ranger' who is trying to achieve the greatest good possible, whilst having to do some dastardly things in the process.
All absolute conjecture. Nobody really knows.

An Anti-Perpetual weapon kills perpetuals, Destroys them forever.
I think you've confused terminology.

Maybe you meant he's trying to kill the Emperor(Normally) so he can bring his rebirth.

The anti-perpetual weapon didn't kill vulkan though. Whatever we want to call it - I mean the sword is something which has the power to 'kill' the emperor.

Correct. As the Cabal said, only a Primarch can kill a Primarch.

 Unyielding Hunger wrote:

LightKing wrote:

Khonsu wrote:
Ahriman is probably the oldest as he was born on Terra and fought in the very beginning of the great Crusade.

then why does everyone act like dante is the oldest when he is only 1200 years old or something when there are guys that are 10,000 years old

Because he is the oldest natural space marine.

Dante: Good livin'
Bjorn: Dreadnought. You really want to toss the guy on permanent life support the oldest stick?
Ahriman: Warp affected
Cypher: Warp affected

People who spend time in the warp, where time changes, don't qualify.

Who invented these rules?
The Administratum's Longevity Wing?

Ahriman is the oldest.

The Cypher isn't necessarily even one guy, though it's likely.

Though he's not the most wanted. Only the Unforgiven (and the Angels of Absolution) and the Grey Knights know. Ghazhgkhull and Abaddon are probably the two most wanted, at least as far as the Imperium as a whole are concerned.

No, there... is only one Cypher. Only one Fallen carries the Lion Sword. Others may impersonate him, I guess.

 Furyou Miko wrote:
No, there... is only one Cypher. Only one Fallen carries the Lion Sword. Others may impersonate him, I guess.

The Cypher used to be a title, not a name. Whereas it is likely it's only one guy, the data slate suggests Cypher may have been several people since the ammunition depot accident on Caliban.

cypher being one guy would make him the oldest guy in current 40k right...since he is still running around and he was from the heresy days

On the subject of oldest SM, it would be either Kharn or Ahriman as they were both Terran Veterans and served from the start of the Great Crusade.

Back on topic though I think Cypher is still loyal to the Emperor, after all in Grey Angel he did help Loken and Cruze escape Caliban after their mission failed.

The Imperium's most wanted is Erebus. Pretty sure but probably very close to Abaddon.

 Erik_Morkai wrote:
The Imperium's most wanted is Erebus. Pretty sure but probably very close to Abaddon.

Erebus' role is likely known by so few that he is relatively shady in 40K.

Abaddon is not.

Cypher might be the most wanted guy nobody has ever heard of.

Abaddon and any of the Daemon Primarchs are public enemy #1. Abaddon more so because he's actually doing stuff.

Huron is also up there.

Keep in mind that one older BL book (angels of Darkness I think) has that one fallen confess the fact that Luther was a loyalist and Lion was just waiting the conflict out to side with the winner. The fallen says he ordered the strike on the Lion's ships after they failed to respond and admits Luther was loyal all along. The chaplain then tells Luther "You wee right."

This might be non canon now but makes infinitely more sense than the other explanations for the whole Fallen event, especially the pathetic one put forth in Fallen Angels.

So yeah is Cypher is the Lion or siding with him it may not be a good thing.