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The current fluff (ork dex) pretty much states that tau had to withdraw. I'm sure - they'll fight the territory back in the next war (tau dex) but as it is, they've lost for now.
AFAIK, the tau dex has the war of dakka over, with the tau victorious.
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BaronIveagh wrote: Basically they went from a carrot and stick to a smaller carrot and flanged mace.
The current fluff (ork dex) pretty much states that tau had to withdraw. I'm sure - they'll fight the territory back in the next war (tau dex) but as it is, they've lost for now.
AFAIK, the tau dex has the war of dakka over, with the tau victorious.
And the 7-th ork one states the opposite. Fluffwars
While the 4-th ork one stated that orks didn't manage to get much sucksess in the war of dakka, the new one states they turned out to be fine. I'll reread it when get home. I might get wrong - long since i've read the new codex allready.
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Tau tactics have been honed to fight Orks for centuries, their battle records are full of utterly crushing victories over the greenskins. Mainly because of what you mentioned: The Tau don't fight the way most Orks find entertaining. They fight with a view towards insuring that it is impossible to resist attacks, something that's incredibly easy to achieve against Orks if you have the mobility and technology to pull it off.
Once again, I must clarify. I am not saying the Orks *could* not destroy the Tau Empire, I am saying they *would* not for a myriad of factors. More entertaining enemies to fight, the necessity for a huge force, requirement for more solidarity between Orkish klans in order to gain said huge force (which in turn allows for easier exploitation of divisions via countermeasures), large forces of that size drawing the attention of the Imperium, Nids, etc.
Could a Waaagh exist that could destroy the Tau? Yes.
Is it likely to come to being soon? No.
Destroying the Tau Empire requires far more effort than it would be worth for almost all factions. Eldar are too dispersed to try it, the Imperium has far bigger fish to fry, Chaos isn't bothered with the morsels that are Tau souls, Orks hate fighting Tau because they rarely get to close with the enemy or even fire back if the enemy commander is good enough, and the Nids have plenty of poorly defended Imperial worlds to prey on closer to their real objective: Terra.
The only faction that has the absolute capability, possible motivation and lack of distracting threats elsewhere is the Necrons. However, the motivation is shaky because we don't know if the Tau hold any worlds that the Necrons actually care about, and as Co'tor pointed out, a good deal of the Necrons are on the other side of the galaxy. Other threats to the Necrons will also grow as time goes on.
Perpetual war in an stagnant human empire is the setting of Warhammer 40k. The Tau Empire sticking around, acting like the Soviet Union of Blue Sikhs in Space, fits the narrative as the "non-warp" avatar of change in the galaxy.
Search & Destroy:
Inquisitor Ferenz Talan and his acolytes follow Colonel Mieza and the 16th Berdam Armoured back to their home system, in the hopes of rallying troops for a crusade against the Tau for their defeat on Falasten. However, upon arrival, they find that others have their eyes on the system.
The current fluff (ork dex) pretty much states that tau had to withdraw. I'm sure - they'll fight the territory back in the next war (tau dex) but as it is, they've lost for now.
AFAIK, the tau dex has the war of dakka over, with the tau victorious.
And the 7-th ork one states the opposite. Fluffwars
While the 4-th ork one stated that orks didn't manage to get much sucksess in the war of dakka, the new one states they turned out to be fine. I'll reread it when get home. I might get wrong - long since i've read the new codex allready.
What date is it listed at? We know that the orks captured territory, it being a war and all, but the date may be listed while the war was still going on.
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BaronIveagh wrote: Basically they went from a carrot and stick to a smaller carrot and flanged mace.
The Tau won the actual conflict, and the Orks got a fight...
Search & Destroy:
Inquisitor Ferenz Talan and his acolytes follow Colonel Mieza and the 16th Berdam Armoured back to their home system, in the hopes of rallying troops for a crusade against the Tau for their defeat on Falasten. However, upon arrival, they find that others have their eyes on the system.
I guess we need to find someone else having read the new ork dex to tell for sure about the war of dakka. Or wait till i get home and refresh my memory Anywayz, my favorit wh40k quote comes from the 4-th dex describing Kaptin' Badrukk fighting in this war.
Just says the ork warboss gathered all the guns he could to counter his higher tech foes.
But yeah, the Tau didn't really win the war. They stopped the orks advance, but the orks gain a huge amount of territory and halted the Tau's spread westward. And they are still there. Badrukk had to withdraw due to injuries, but that doesn't mean the rest of the waaagh did.
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wait till the emperor is fixed, then join up wit hthe tau. think about it, the empereor was killin off xenos because they all have their own agendas, now, he has a xenos with the same agenda as him.
I'll never be able to repay CA for making GW realize that The Old World was a cash cow, left to die in a field.
Co'tor Shas wrote: Halting their westward expasion? That's weird because the last thing on the tau timeline is westward expansion.
Which resulted in conflict with what was already there. Might be south western. It has been slowed and halted in some ways by running into the orks, who they did not beat, they reached a stalemate which which is where they are.
Brennonjw wrote: wait till the emperor is fixed, then join up wit hthe tau. think about it, the empereor was killin off xenos because they all have their own agendas, now, he has a xenos with the same agenda as him.
The Emperor was killing pretty much all aliens regardless of their goals. He was exclusively concerned with and involved with humanity and the concerns surrounding it.
Brennonjw wrote: wait till the emperor is fixed, then join up wit hthe tau. think about it, the empereor was killin off xenos because they all have their own agendas, now, he has a xenos with the same agenda as him.
The Emperor's agenda for Mankind was that it was Humanity's manifest destiny to rule the stars unopposed. The presence of the Tau does not coincide with that agenda.
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Brennonjw wrote: wait till the emperor is fixed, then join up wit hthe tau. think about it, the empereor was killin off xenos because they all have their own agendas, now, he has a xenos with the same agenda as him.
The Emperor's agenda for Mankind was that it was Humanity's manifest destiny to rule the stars unopposed. The presence of the Tau does not coincide with that agenda.
His agenda also involved stamping out religion, so much that his downfall started when he destroyed temples made to worship him.
The Tau would have humanity as second-place to the Tau, but free of the shackles of faith.
Given his choice of two enslaved humanities, I see him siding with the rational Tau over the current Imperium.
The War of Dakka (i.e. the Waagh led by the Ork Grog Ironteef) is canonically a Tau victory because in the Farsight Enclaves supplement it describes the campaign in more detail:
After being taken by surprise by Ork tactics, Farsight eventually counterattacks with new insights after meditating on each of the Enclave worlds, with each world thematically associated with one of the Tau caste elements. Finally Farsight's forces win and Farsight reportedly kills Grog Ironteef.
As his chillingly effective methods burned the Orks from the enclaves, O''Shovah's one concession to his own desire was the isolation of the Orks' leader, Grog Ironteef. He finally located the warchief in the eye of a firestorm, attacking his own followers in an attempt to restore order. It is said that Farsight bested the beast in single combat, though none were there to witness it. All that remains of Grog is a sparkling globe filled with ash, the names of each of the enclave''s worlds engraved upon its surface.
p. 28, Farsight Enclaves supplement
The POV of the narration is consistent throughout and is not from an in-universe source, but from an omniscient third-party narrator POV. Thus there is no particular reason to doubt the veracity of its account or that Grog Ironteef is indeed dead. While Orks as a race may still threaten the Tau and the Farsight Enclaves, that is different from the "War of Dakka" as Grog and his forces were defeated and wiped out.
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Brennonjw wrote: wait till the emperor is fixed, then join up wit hthe tau. think about it, the empereor was killin off xenos because they all have their own agendas, now, he has a xenos with the same agenda as him.
The Emperor's agenda for Mankind was that it was Humanity's manifest destiny to rule the stars unopposed. The presence of the Tau does not coincide with that agenda.
His agenda also involved stamping out religion, so much that his downfall started when he destroyed temples made to worship him.
The Tau would have humanity as second-place to the Tau, but free of the shackles of faith.
Given his choice of two enslaved humanities, I see him siding with the rational Tau over the current Imperium.
Brennonjw wrote: wait till the emperor is fixed, then join up wit hthe tau. think about it, the empereor was killin off xenos because they all have their own agendas, now, he has a xenos with the same agenda as him.
The Emperor's agenda for Mankind was that it was Humanity's manifest destiny to rule the stars unopposed. The presence of the Tau does not coincide with that agenda.
His agenda also involved stamping out religion, so much that his downfall started when he destroyed temples made to worship him.
The Tau would have humanity as second-place to the Tau, but free of the shackles of faith.
Given his choice of two enslaved humanities, I see him siding with the rational Tau over the current Imperium.
For the way he's described I think he'd prefer to just wipe out himself and all humanity from existence (bringing as many enemies as he can with him) instead of submit to xenos of every possible kind.
Stamping out faith and religion was a mean (one among the others) to make humanity and humanity only to rule the galaxy, not certainly the main purpose.
Brennonjw wrote: wait till the emperor is fixed, then join up wit hthe tau. think about it, the empereor was killin off xenos because they all have their own agendas, now, he has a xenos with the same agenda as him.
The Emperor's agenda for Mankind was that it was Humanity's manifest destiny to rule the stars unopposed. The presence of the Tau does not coincide with that agenda.
His agenda also involved stamping out religion, so much that his downfall started when he destroyed temples made to worship him.
The Tau would have humanity as second-place to the Tau, but free of the shackles of faith.
Given his choice of two enslaved humanities, I see him siding with the rational Tau over the current Imperium.
... wait he's serious?
Judging from earlier threads regarding the Tau vs. the Imperium, he is.
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If the Emperor were to return to the current Imperium, he would likely us the system in place to achieve his goals, then reduce or remove it after the fact.
Why there would ever be a need to set the Imperium second to an "Empire" that is .0000000001 % of the size of the Imperium is absolutely beyond me. Especially with the arrival of the Emperor. The Return of the Emperor would be a monumental shift in the balance of power.
PhillyT wrote: If the Emperor were to return to the current Imperium, he would likely us the system in place to achieve his goals, then reduce or remove it after the fact.
Why there would ever be a need to set the Imperium second to an "Empire" that is .0000000001 % of the size of the Imperium is absolutely beyond me. Especially with the arrival of the Emperor. The Return of the Emperor would be a monumental shift in the balance of power.
I'm sure the Tau would figure something out. I mean, they've got so good technology that even the fluff writers are afraid of them.
We really need a "sarcasm" Orkmoticon.
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Brennonjw wrote: wait till the emperor is fixed, then join up wit hthe tau. think about it, the empereor was killin off xenos because they all have their own agendas, now, he has a xenos with the same agenda as him.
The Emperor's agenda for Mankind was that it was Humanity's manifest destiny to rule the stars unopposed. The presence of the Tau does not coincide with that agenda.
His agenda also involved stamping out religion, so much that his downfall started when he destroyed temples made to worship him.
The Tau would have humanity as second-place to the Tau, but free of the shackles of faith.
Given his choice of two enslaved humanities, I see him siding with the rational Tau over the current Imperium.
... wait he's serious?
Judging from earlier threads regarding the Tau vs. the Imperium, he is.
He's the same guy who said that the Tau handled the Tyranid threat more effectively than the Imperium ever has... Whilst failing to mention that they encountered a miniscule tendril which was fatally flawed, had to enlist the assistance of both the Imperium and the fething Dark Eldar, and still were backed into a corner and terrified that they might actually win.
Dark Eldar codex (not the most recent one - the fifth ed one). Tau were fighting on some verdant jungle world and getting the feth kicked out of them, Tyrands were about to over-run onto a really important planet. High Command got a message for Urien(sp) offering to assist them for a "culture exchange". Haemonculi (again sp - not going to grab the codex to spell this stuff correctly) and their armies of flesh creatures show up, thoroughly smash the tyranids with Tau fire-support. Tau give all of the 'culture exchange' demands other than giving the coven a few Ethereals - that they refuse. Urien gets pissed off that the Tau refused him and, with Vect, goes to feth over one of their planets. Every non-tau on the planet is killed, every Tau is taken back to the Dark City - dead or alive.
It's important to note that the Tau didn't realize exactly who / what was making the offer when Urien initially got into contact, nor did they understand what would happen to those who would be part of the "culture exchange". The point, however, is that the Tau were terrified out of their wits and losing - so they made a bargain with the freaking Dark Eldar.. and weren't -immediately- turned off by the horrifying nature of the haem's creations / armies.
Btw, i stand corrected for the War of Dakka. No idea what lead me to thinking that orks won, probably a few sentences about Badrukk in the new book:
During the War of Dakka, his warriors outshot a Tau Hunter cadre. Some even claim that the Kaptin personally brought down a Freeblade Knight armed with nought but a hair squig and several inebriated Snotlings, though it seems likely that such tales have grown in the telling.
It also states:
815.M41 The War of Dakka Warboss Grog Ironteef leads a mighty Waaagh! against the burgeoning Tau Empire, gathering up all the dakka he can to counter the firepower of his more advanced foes.
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... wait he's serious?
