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The web-way deep strike fortification got me wondering.
Assume you can deep strike a Fortification by embarking an IC with a webway portal.
What fortification would you take, and what would you deep strike in with it?

I'd go unbound and deepstrike a hell ton of landing pads. Without anything else whatsoever.
Codex: Pirating Buildings.

Imagine you're the imperial guardsmen on your everyday duty. It's late and dark, you just patrol the area, than turn around and BAM! There's a landing pad. You quicken your steps and BAM! Another landing pad. You start to run for it choking and screaming madly. BAM BAM BAM! Landing pads everywhere. THE HORROR!

I think take all 3 hq's that have WWP, and do 3x Macro-Cannon strong pionts. Or a mix of them and Vortex missle strong points.

I don't know if any fortifications are strong enough to matter. There is a reason they are not being taken right now and deep striking them in won't really fix much.

Fireraven wrote:
I think take all 3 hq's that have WWP, and do 3x Macro-Cannon strong pionts. Or a mix of them and Vortex missle strong points.

What about a Imperial Bunker? It's cheap (55 points) and lets you embark Wraithguard with the WWP. You should be able to land and fire, then disembark and fire again.
Could add ammo dump (re-roll 1's to shoot) and escape hatch for additional disembark options.

-Matt


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Fireraven wrote:
I think take all 3 hq's that have WWP, and do 3x Macro-Cannon strong pionts. Or a mix of them and Vortex missle strong points.

How does making each one cost 95+ points more, and giving up the first turn of shooting make them better?




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 koooaei wrote:
I'd go unbound and deepstrike a hell ton of landing pads. Without anything else whatsoever.
Codex: Pirating Buildings.

Imagine you're the imperial guardsmen on your everyday duty. It's late and dark, you just patrol the area, than turn around and BAM! There's a landing pad. You quicken your steps and BAM! Another landing pad. You start to run for it choking and screaming madly. BAM BAM BAM! Landing pads everywhere. THE HORROR!

You'd have to embark an IC. Standing on it isn't good enough, you've got to be embarked. No landing pad for you.

Incredilble silly, but deepstrike a fully loaded fortress of redemption on the opponents door step. Could also see a Firestorm redoubt with dual Punishers being useful. DS voer comes the range issue, and you can load a big squad in it for even more dakka fun.

I could see a few uses for this.
*Take a fortification network and load a single bunker, etc. with multiple quad guns. DS it in would be nice because you could get side and rear armour.
*Firestorm redoubt; get the punisher cannons and the upgraded BS. Whatever you DS next to will eat 40 BS3 Str5 shots. With no scatter placement this could actually be pretty good with a scytheguard or firedragon unit.
*Bunker w/ quad gun and escape hatch. This could give a very nice 12" shunt to a pinpoint DS unit.

Overall one of the big advantages to this would be taking a unit that is hard to kill with flamers and grenades and making plasma, grav, etc. useless against them due to the AV14 building. Combine this with a void shield to help block damage or ammo store for reroll 1's to hit would help buff the unit but I personally see the escape hatch as being the best upgrade for this sort of use as getting a free 12" shunt for the unit inside the building could be huge.

I would definitely not take a fortress of redeption or similar size fortification as even with pinpoint DS you could never land it anywhere (it is just too big).

 HawaiiMatt wrote:


You'd have to embark an IC. Standing on it isn't good enough, you've got to be embarked. No landing pad for you.

That's silly.

Did I miss something? I thought the consensus in YMDC was against DS'ing in fortifications due to when they are deployed.

^ yeah there's a discussion in YMDC you should check out first

 Red Corsair wrote:
Did I miss something? I thought the consensus in YMDC was against DS'ing in fortifications due to when they are deployed.

The consensus is 1 or 2 very vocal people who aren't responding to counter arguments. But that's not what this thread is for. This thread was to look at if it's even useful, if you could do it. If it isn't useful, wither or not it's legal is moot.
Looks like you can't have escape hatch, as the hatch has to be placed within 12" of the bunker when it is first embarked. Kind of hard to do when you embark it in reserve.

 HawaiiMatt wrote:

 Red Corsair wrote:
Did I miss something? I thought the consensus in YMDC was against DS'ing in fortifications due to when they are deployed.

The consensus is 1 or 2 very vocal people who aren't responding to counter arguments. But that's not what this thread is for. This thread was to look at if it's even useful, if you could do it. If it isn't useful, wither or not it's legal is moot.
Looks like you can't have escape hatch, as the hatch has to be placed within 12" of the bunker when it is first embarked. Kind of hard to do when you embark it in reserve.

Is there a way to get down from battlements? If so, that might make the FOR a good pick. Just so many damn models..

 Jimsolo wrote:

 HawaiiMatt wrote:

 Red Corsair wrote:
Did I miss something? I thought the consensus in YMDC was against DS'ing in fortifications due to when they are deployed.

The consensus is 1 or 2 very vocal people who aren't responding to counter arguments. But that's not what this thread is for. This thread was to look at if it's even useful, if you could do it. If it isn't useful, wither or not it's legal is moot.
Looks like you can't have escape hatch, as the hatch has to be placed within 12" of the bunker when it is first embarked. Kind of hard to do when you embark it in reserve.

Is there a way to get down from battlements? If so, that might make the FOR a good pick. Just so many damn models..

Each section of the FOR is it's own building. Only the one with the web way in it gains deep strike.

Uses for the deep striking building seems pretty limited.

The bunker with wraith guard seems like the best. Cheap, durable, and effective. Might even be cool to see some Wraithblades with a couple spiritseers in there. Seers PsyShriek something when they drop, angry Wraithblades disembark and assault next turn. Of course you would need to target any melta in the drop zone, but it'd be cool to see.

 astro_nomicon wrote:
The bunker with wraith guard seems like the best. Cheap, durable, and effective. Might even be cool to see some Wraithblades with a couple spiritseers in there. Seers PsyShriek something when they drop, angry Wraithblades disembark and assault next turn. Of course you would need to target any melta in the drop zone, but it'd be cool to see.

@ 165 for the unit of Wraithblades, 70 for each psycher and 95 for the cheapest webway delivery, and another 55 or more for the bunker, you're looking at 385 points.

For 5 points more, you can take a Tantalus with night shields and the 5 wraithblades (leaving the webway behind). You get 12 S5 AP2 shots on an AV12 3+ jink 5 hull point skimmer. Even when jinking you can dish out D6 S7 AP2 hits on a unit (or 1 S7 AP2 armorbane on vehicle) that you move over.

I think you're on the right track though, the only real use for a deepstriking bunker is wraith - guard/blades, and that's only because they are bulky.

Another question, is that combo of deep strike better than just taking a Wraithknight? Doesn't look like it to me.