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CONFORM!!!! Conform damn you or go out of business. You have no right to serve people who believe as you do unless you serve those who despise you and your beliefs and think nothing of forcing you to violate your conscience.

Not only must you tolerate me, you must celebrate me. You must acknowledge that what I do is good and right. You cannot be allowed to express a view to the contrary in any forum or you will be driven out of your employment, held up for ridicule and damnation. It matters not whether your actions treat me like others, if your thoughts and words hint that you think I may be immoral you are to be punished in every way possible. You are a bigot. You are intollerant. You are evil. You are a fool. You are a hater. So you must be stopped, silenced, driven out of buisiness and fined.

You must help me adopt or be shut down. You must help me date or be shut down. You must participate in my wedding or be shut down. You must particiapte in my reception or be shut down. You must make a cake celebrating my lifestyle or be shut down. Yes there are hosts of other vendors who will gladly provide each of these services to me, but I chose to make you be the one that participates in my life activities so you must comply.

You spelled intolerant wrong.

 Frazzled wrote:
You spelled intolerant wrong.

Inconceivable!!!

Gaydar is delighted to help heterosexual men have homo sex if they want it.

 Kilkrazy wrote:
Gaydar is delighted to help heterosexual men have homo sex if they want it.

Is Gaydar a club, or... dating service, or what?

I don't understand the problems. Is this the only place in US where you can get married? Can't the people who feel discriminated just walk into the other church next door? Why would you possibly want a wedding in a place were people dislike you? Why not allow people to perform only the marriages they want?
Or why not skip the religious ceremony altogether and just get the civil ceremony?

Gwaihirsbrother wrote:
CONFORM!!!! Conform damn you or go out of business. You have no right to serve people who believe as you do unless you serve those who despise you and your beliefs and think nothing of forcing you to violate your conscience.

Not only must you tolerate me, you must celebrate me. You must acknowledge that what I do is good and right. You cannot be allowed to express a view to the contrary in any forum or you will be driven out of your employment, held up for ridicule and damnation. It matters not whether your actions treat me like others, if your thoughts and words hint that you think I may be immoral you are to be punished in every way possible. You are a bigot. You are intollerant. You are evil. You are a fool. You are a hater. So you must be stopped, silenced, driven out of buisiness and fined.

You must help me adopt or be shut down. You must help me date or be shut down. You must participate in my wedding or be shut down. You must particiapte in my reception or be shut down. You must make a cake celebrating my lifestyle or be shut down. Yes there are hosts of other vendors who will gladly provide each of these services to me, but I chose to make you be the one that participates in my life activities so you must comply.

I was worried someone wouldn't take this to absurd levels and show a profound misunderstanding of the situation, but thankfully those fears have been allayed.

 Frazzled wrote:

 TheMeanDM wrote:
The question still remains: why would a gay couple go to a conservative christian business and demand to be married?

Should a gay person go to ChristianMingle.com to try and find a gay partner to hook up with?

Should a straight man go to gaydar.com and demand to be matched with a heterosexual female?

Those businesses are specifically geared toward a certain type of population: Christian singles and Gay singles.

Using your argument:
--- a straight man/woman should be able to file a lawsuit against Gaydar or PinkCupid because they don't offer them the chance to find some heterosexual company.

And under case law, they could.

bad example as they would just let straight guy sign up but when he complains that no women respond they say sorry and wish him luck to keep trying. Do Not have to deny him to watch him fail.

 Iron_Captain wrote:
I don't understand the problems. Is this the only place in US where you can get married? Can't the people who feel discriminated just walk into the other church next door? Why would you possibly want a wedding in a place were people dislike you? Why not allow people to perform only the marriages they want?
Or why not skip the religious ceremony altogether and just get the civil ceremony?

It's along the same lines as someone being told they can't come into a public business because of race. It's discrimination and that's a huge no no in this country.

 Kilkrazy wrote:
Gaydar is delighted to help heterosexual men have homo sex if they want it.

I thought that was Tinder?

 Ahtman wrote:

Gwaihirsbrother wrote:
CONFORM!!!! Conform damn you or go out of business. You have no right to serve people who believe as you do unless you serve those who despise you and your beliefs and think nothing of forcing you to violate your conscience.

Not only must you tolerate me, you must celebrate me. You must acknowledge that what I do is good and right. You cannot be allowed to express a view to the contrary in any forum or you will be driven out of your employment, held up for ridicule and damnation. It matters not whether your actions treat me like others, if your thoughts and words hint that you think I may be immoral you are to be punished in every way possible. You are a bigot. You are intollerant. You are evil. You are a fool. You are a hater. So you must be stopped, silenced, driven out of buisiness and fined.

You must help me adopt or be shut down. You must help me date or be shut down. You must participate in my wedding or be shut down. You must particiapte in my reception or be shut down. You must make a cake celebrating my lifestyle or be shut down. Yes there are hosts of other vendors who will gladly provide each of these services to me, but I chose to make you be the one that participates in my life activities so you must comply.

I was worried someone wouldn't take this to absurd levels and show a profound misunderstanding of the situation, but thankfully those fears have been allayed.

It's not absurd, it is what is happening, but thanks for the vacuous response. Perhaps you are the one who has the profound misunderstanding of the situartion. Catholic charities was forced out of adoption because they didn't want to assist gay couples. EHarmony was sued for not including gays in their matchmaking. The wedding chapel in the OP is faced with the choice of shutting down or violatation their conscious. Other people in the wedding industry face the same. People in sports, entertainment and business who don't support gay marriage must be silent or face being fired. People exercising their express first amendment freedoms of religion and speech face by government and/or private entities if they don't remain silent on the issue.

No person should be forced to violate their conscience to help someone else throw a party, but that is what is happening. It should be repugnant to anyone who believes in freedom of conscience.

 Ouze wrote:

Johnnytorrance wrote:
Just charge 10x more for it. Because it violates their faith. Find a way to make that legal. Not all products are equal.

That's.... that's not how nondiscrimination works.

supply and demand…gay marriage is rare. the rarity makes it more valuable. therefore a higher charge

Gwaihirsbrother wrote:

 Ahtman wrote:

Gwaihirsbrother wrote:
CONFORM!!!! Conform damn you or go out of business. You have no right to serve people who believe as you do unless you serve those who despise you and your beliefs and think nothing of forcing you to violate your conscience.

Not only must you tolerate me, you must celebrate me. You must acknowledge that what I do is good and right. You cannot be allowed to express a view to the contrary in any forum or you will be driven out of your employment, held up for ridicule and damnation. It matters not whether your actions treat me like others, if your thoughts and words hint that you think I may be immoral you are to be punished in every way possible. You are a bigot. You are intollerant. You are evil. You are a fool. You are a hater. So you must be stopped, silenced, driven out of buisiness and fined.

You must help me adopt or be shut down. You must help me date or be shut down. You must participate in my wedding or be shut down. You must particiapte in my reception or be shut down. You must make a cake celebrating my lifestyle or be shut down. Yes there are hosts of other vendors who will gladly provide each of these services to me, but I chose to make you be the one that participates in my life activities so you must comply.

I was worried someone wouldn't take this to absurd levels and show a profound misunderstanding of the situation, but thankfully those fears have been allayed.

It's not absurd, it is what is happening, but thanks for the vacuous response. Perhaps you are the one who has the profound misunderstanding of the situartion. Catholic charities was forced out of adoption because they didn't want to assist gay couples. EHarmony was sued for not including gays in their matchmaking. The wedding chapel in the OP is faced with the choice of shutting down or violatation their conscious. Other people in the wedding industry face the same. People in sports, entertainment and business who don't support gay marriage must be silent or face being fired. People exercising their express first amendment freedoms of religion and speech face by government and/or private entities if they don't remain silent on the issue.

No person should be forced to violate their conscience to help someone else throw a party, but that is what is happening. It should be repugnant to anyone who believes in freedom of conscience.

I don't know about how Catholic Charities is funded or financed, but these are mainly businesses you are citing, even going so far as to call the chapel part of "the wedding industry". If you put yourself into the position of being open for commercial business, as far as I know, you can't discriminate.


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Johnnytorrance wrote:

 Ouze wrote:

Johnnytorrance wrote:
Just charge 10x more for it. Because it violates their faith. Find a way to make that legal. Not all products are equal.

That's.... that's not how nondiscrimination works.

supply and demand…gay marriage is rare. the rarity makes it more valuable. therefore a higher charge

You crafty devil! You will go far in this business!

Johnnytorrance wrote:

 Ouze wrote:

Johnnytorrance wrote:
Just charge 10x more for it. Because it violates their faith. Find a way to make that legal. Not all products are equal.

That's.... that's not how nondiscrimination works.

supply and demand…gay marriage is rare. the rarity makes it more valuable. therefore a higher charge

Genius! But why wait there? Why not expand into the future? How much would it cost for a polygamous gay marriage one of the three members being a fictional character from some japanese anime/game?

 Iron_Captain wrote:
I don't understand the problems. Is this the only place in US where you can get married? Can't the people who feel discriminated just walk into the other church next door? Why would you possibly want a wedding in a place were people dislike you? Why not allow people to perform only the marriages they want?

Apparently, the decor at this particular wedding chapel is just FABULOUS!

Wait till polygamy gets accepted

 Jihadin wrote:
Wait till polygamy gets accepted

Why shouldn't it be?

 cincydooley wrote:

 Jihadin wrote:
Wait till polygamy gets accepted

Why shouldn't it be?

I can see it becoming accepted eventually, but it will probably be a much bigger legal fight.

The two big fights so far had a fairly "easy" change in current law, and they still dealt with only two people.

Race: "It's a contract between two people, why should the state discriminate who can enter the contract based on race?"
Sex: "It's a contract between two people, why should the state discriminate who can enter the contract based on sex?"

Polygamy would probably be a bigger jump there, and it doesn't help the cause that it's not a huge population affected by it.

Unrelated as an actual solution to polygamous marriages: Could a polygamous family form a corporation like "Smith Family, LLC"?

 cincydooley wrote:

 Jihadin wrote:
Wait till polygamy gets accepted

Why shouldn't it be?

Think both sides of the aisle will fight that tooth and nail
Though if someone is in a polygamy relationship then their mentally tougher then woodpecker lips. More then one wife..nag nag nag nag nag

Polygamy has also been viewed as a tool to oppress women. It's also harder to make a civil rights argument about it given that being prevented from marrying, only marrying multiple times.

I don't think there are any rules against a woman having multiple husbands....

 cincydooley wrote:
I don't think there are any rules against a woman having multiple husbands....

Bigamy laws would criminalize all subsequent marriages.

 d-usa wrote:


I can see it becoming accepted eventually, but it will probably be a much bigger legal fight.

Agreed.

Polygamy would probably be a bigger jump there, and it doesn't help the cause that it's not a huge population affected by it.

Do we know that for certain?

I mean, there's over 6 million Mormons in the US. Granted, that's not to say that all Mormons want to be polygamous, but it's still relatively close to the Census estimate for homosexuals.

And that doesn't include any "free love" people living in communes and all that crazy gak.

We had a neighbor that had just gotten out of a polygamist relationship. Her daughter played with mine and talked about how she wanted to be in such a marraige when she was older.

How would divorce work?

 VorpalBunny74 wrote:
How would divorce work?

Let's just say the husband doesn't want too many of those if he likes affording food.


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There are several polygamist compunds south of here. One of my nephews worked for them and would occasionaly visit. One of the things he couldn't do while he was there was talk to the women.

 cincydooley wrote:

 Jihadin wrote:
Wait till polygamy gets accepted

Why shouldn't it be?

Who wants two mother hens pecking at you? Yikes.


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Relapse wrote:

 VorpalBunny74 wrote:
How would divorce work?

Let's just say the husband doesn't want too many of those if he likes affording food.


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There are several polygamist compunds south of here. One of my nephews worked for them and would occasionaly visit. One of the things he couldn't do while he was there was talk to the women.

Often it turns out there is serious child abuse/child rape going on in these compounds. Some pretty sick gak.

Two adults making a contract isn't the same dynamic as multiple (3+) actors entering into a contract. The difference between same sex marriage and opposite sex marriage is the sex: the number of people is the same, the age of consent is the same, and the species is the same.

Relapse wrote:

 VorpalBunny74 wrote:
How would divorce work?

Let's just say the husband doesn't want too many of those if he likes affording food.

Ouch. Bet that'd place stress on any remaining wives too

 VorpalBunny74 wrote:

Relapse wrote:

 VorpalBunny74 wrote:
How would divorce work?

Let's just say the husband doesn't want too many of those if he likes affording food.

Ouch. Bet that'd place stress on any remaining wives too

Yep, everyone works to pay the alimony.