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I'm confused there.
Are you saying the King Cobra is back and therefore not cancelled, or that it was never cancelled ?

 HudsonD wrote:
Are you saying the King Cobra is back and therefore not cancelled, or that it was never cancelled ?

"Yes, for varying meanings of the word."

I believe the course of events was:

1) It was unlocked during the campaign.
2) After the campaign (x) number of pledges failed to fully fund, dropping the total below the level where it was unlocked.
3) We were then told it was no longer available, unless post-campaign top-off pledging drove the total back up past the unlock total, again.
4) The post-campaign top-off pledging has either just about unlocked it again, or has in fact unlocked it again, so now it is...unlocked and available.

So, I think in some people's eyes, it has now reached a position of never being not unlocked?

 Alpharius wrote:


So, I think in some people's eyes, it has now reached a position of never being not unlocked?

Therefore Dp9 had always been at war with Eurasia. I'm just glad they increased the chocolate rations to 20 grams a week. Nublitz Newspeak is fun!

 warboss wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:


So, I think in some people's eyes, it has now reached a position of never being not unlocked?

Therefore Dp9 had always been at war with Eurasia. I'm just glad they increased the chocolate rations to 20 grams a week. Nublitz Newspeak is fun!

Half.... sigh Half-life 3 confirmed?

Important notice to the "wait-and-see" crowd (like me):

Important Notice for all Unregistered Backers that only pledged $1 during the Kickstarter, for those Backers you only have 1 week left to register.

All $1 Kickstarter Backers that are not registered in the Pledge Manage by January 8th, 2015 at 1pm EST will have their accounts closed and the $1 set as a donation to the Kickstarter.

If you want to up your pledge and get some add-ons you need to register this week, if not you don't need to do anything.

That's about 12 hours from now, don't lose your dollar!

There was a short period when the King cobra was a Question instead of a certainty. You can blame us for jumping a bit too soon. It is now secure. We probably could have done it regardless but then the contingency fund can get a little thin if you do that too often and then we're up gak creek if something goes really wrong.

First rule of kickstarters, no plan/schedule faces reality and survives unscathed.

Now we can hope to add in the Kodiak, Ammon, and a weapons sprue. You can still join by contacting us by e-mail.

Cheers!
Dave

We also have 154 negative balance Backers with over $6,000 in Pledges to be paid

If/when DP9 ever shows that they are going to be able to deliver what they said, perhaps those negative balances will be paid.

But, by all means, keep working on random minis that have nothing to do with the Kickstarter, while expecting backers to contribute more.

How about you guys stop harping on backers, and simply show some work that proves you're doing something besides trying to pass a collection plate around?

You know, just do some of the work that you said you would do.

What I'm wondering about is when the Christmas beta update is coming out. I remember both Rob and Dave saying it was supposed to be out for the Holidays, and now not a word. Not even a post on their website saying it was delayed. (at least that I could find)

 Mmmpi wrote:
What I'm wondering about is when the Christmas beta update is coming out. I remember both Rob and Dave saying it was supposed to be out for the Holidays, and now not a word. Not even a post on their website saying it was delayed. (at least that I could find)

That's more or less par for the course, unfortunately. Sticking to dates for books is not a thing that the pod has been consistently good at, and lately it seems to be even more so.

 Mmmpi wrote:
What I'm wondering about is when the Christmas beta update is coming out. I remember both Rob and Dave saying it was supposed to be out for the Holidays, and now not a word. Not even a post on their website saying it was delayed. (at least that I could find)

I've posted an announcement on exactly this topic.

This is a case of the kickstarter taking priority.

Our new target is for the end of January and we'll update as we go.

Thanks for your patience. This is the first milestone is the last two years of this project to be missed but the size of the update required more of a rewrite than an update and we wanted to add a lot of formatting features to the document to make it easier to use. Add in X-mas season and the need to keep the kickstarter on schedule and here we are.

Thanks for your patience!
Cheers!
Dave

It's not the delay that's irritating. It's that you guys knew it was going to be late and didn't say anything until you were asked nearly 20 days later. If you knew you were running behind why didn't you say anything? I have high school students who are more on the ball. *grumbles about companies/kids these days*

If the Beta rules tie to the KS campaign, why wasn't this announced via KS Update?

On 12/24, DP9 said the next update would be about the Beta rules.

Instead, we got 2 updates bitching about collections, and nothing about the Beta rules. Not even an acknowledgement that they were running late.

If you aren't going to follow through, don't make promises you can't keep.

On the other hand, it's easy to armchair coach from the sidelines. Keep up the good work Dave!

There's no "coaching", because nothing is happening on the field. We're just waiting for some sign of life.

So go where the action is.

Edit: I have pasted a couple of the links to the active Groups, whether or not others are active is a matter of concern for them. The Facebook group in particular is very active.

So is Dave's development blog, and the discussion in the DP9 forums.

And now tokens.

They are super, they really are beautiful, the company that made them did tremendous work, but once again, we have a side project that has nothing to do with the Kickstarter DP9's hard at work on.

9 "Updates" that amount to little more than badgering backers for more money, hoo boy, what "progress".

I'm still wondering when DP9 is going to show us something tied to the KS, rather than continuing to pass the collection plate.

 Firebreak wrote:
And now tokens.

They are super, they really are beautiful, the company that made them did tremendous work, but once again, we have a side project that has nothing to do with the Kickstarter DP9's hard at work on.

Actually, I'm wondering how come that 0.5, 1, 1.5, 2 and 3 inches are somehow suddenly so very important for the Heavy Gear experience as to merit a measuring template all of their own...

 Albertorius wrote:

 Firebreak wrote:
And now tokens.

They are super, they really are beautiful, the company that made them did tremendous work, but once again, we have a side project that has nothing to do with the Kickstarter DP9's hard at work on.

Actually, I'm wondering how come that 0.5, 1, 1.5, 2 and 3 inches are somehow suddenly so very important for the Heavy Gear experience as to merit a measuring template all of their own...

Hmm... new base/infantry sizes? Grenades? Blast templates? Lots....and lots... of blast templates? Different stealth rules where you can't tell what a unit is unless you successfully identify it?

I'm wondering if any of the KS money is going to the KS. DreamPod9 got a boatload of money and promptly put out two new products (one of which they didn't even make) that have nothing to do with what they said they were doing.

Yeah, I get the "this is a separate project, it doesn't involve the KS money" line, but, come on. How many little separate projects are you going to do? And, to be REALLY blunt, if you had all the money for these dinky little "fun" releases, then why did you need the KS in the first place? Looks like the Pod's doing fine from here!

 Firebreak wrote:
I'm wondering if any of the KS money is going to the KS. DreamPod9 got a boatload of money and promptly put out two new products (one of which they didn't even make) that have nothing to do with what they said they were doing.

Yeah, I get the "this is a separate project, it doesn't involve the KS money" line, but, come on. How many little separate projects are you going to do? And, to be REALLY blunt, if you had all the money for these dinky little "fun" releases, then why did you need the KS in the first place? Looks like the Pod's doing fine from here!

Indeed. One would think that the KS would be their top priority, and yet, it doesn't appear to be. Aside from the cash infusion - that is obviously very important.

If the Pod has so much time and money to spend on useless gak like the "chibi", why did they do the KS? Unlike the tokens, you can't even use the chibi in game.

And unlike the Chibi, someone else made the tokens.

Well, no, the chibi wasn't technically made by DP9. The sculptor's not on staff. Lotta money for contract work lately, it seems.

So which is it? Is the KS strapped for cash, or is the Pod flush with money that they can direct into non-KS projects that drive basically no revenue? If the Pod can pay for all of this contract work, why are they harping on "unpaid balances"?

It does make one wonder.

I'm very intrigued to see the next product announcement. I wonder if they'll go three for three for unrelated goodies?

The Pod is Canadian, so you have to assume they'll go for the Hat Trick.

 Albertorius wrote:

 Firebreak wrote:
And now tokens.

They are super, they really are beautiful, the company that made them did tremendous work, but once again, we have a side project that has nothing to do with the Kickstarter DP9's hard at work on.

Actually, I'm wondering how come that 0.5, 1, 1.5, 2 and 3 inches are somehow suddenly so very important for the Heavy Gear experience as to merit a measuring template all of their own...

Maybe it has to do with the standard silhouettes you're supposed to use instead of the models for determining LOS and cover? The breakdown sounds like it would fit most of those in one dimension (height, width, length) or another. That would be my guess but apply salt as needed since I haven't downloaded a copy of the rules for at least 6 months.




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 JohnHwangDD wrote:
9 "Updates" that amount to little more than badgering backers for more money, hoo boy, what "progress".

I'm still wondering when DP9 is going to show us something tied to the KS, rather than continuing to pass the collection plate.

DP9 is always chasing the next dollar and disregarding the ones already collected. It's been their pattern for 20 years with edition flops invalidating books sometimes before they even get to a second printing. I'm sure some folks would see this as instead good capitalism at work but I'm sure others of a mindset more like myself would prefer an update on what they've already paid for at least occasionally. The November rules update is now officially (at best) a February one and hopefully that type of creeping delay isn't indicative of the project in general. Eh, whatever. I might be labelled a hater on the facebook page for expecting what was promised but it doesn't change the facts at hand. I was recently informed by Smilodon that the "final" designs for the minis apparently won't be available for public viewing until well after the pledges need to be locked. I'd suggest caution for anyone reading this to closely consider whether the risk of increasing their pledge instead of waiting for retail is worth the discount.

Well, at least in my case it's simple: you don't show me the minis, I don't give you the bucks.

 Albertorius wrote:
Well, at least in my case it's simple: you don't show me the minis, I don't give you the bucks.

For a company with a long troubled past working in a new field (plastic minis) for the first time currently already experiencing a multiple month delay on the only part of the project that they're minimally commenting (the rules) despite that aspect being their field of expertise, that probably probably is a good idea. I'm in the same boat.

 warboss wrote:

 Albertorius wrote:

 Firebreak wrote:
And now tokens.

They are super, they really are beautiful, the company that made them did tremendous work, but once again, we have a side project that has nothing to do with the Kickstarter DP9's hard at work on.

Actually, I'm wondering how come that 0.5, 1, 1.5, 2 and 3 inches are somehow suddenly so very important for the Heavy Gear experience as to merit a measuring template all of their own...

Maybe it has to do with the standard silhouettes you're supposed to use instead of the models for determining LOS and cover? The breakdown sounds like it would fit most of those in one dimension (height, width, length) or another.

This is stupid, even for the Pod. If you're going to "Magic Cylinder" (or "Magic Hexagonal Prism", in the case of the Pod), you don't really need models... And given that their rules are known to be pure gak, they might as well hang it up.
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 warboss wrote:

 JohnHwangDD wrote:
9 "Updates" that amount to little more than badgering backers for more money, hoo boy, what "progress".

I'm still wondering when DP9 is going to show us something tied to the KS, rather than continuing to pass the collection plate.

DP9 is always chasing the next dollar and disregarding the ones already collected. It's been their pattern for 20 years with edition flops invalidating books sometimes before they even get to a second printing. I'm sure some folks would see this as instead good capitalism at work but I'm sure others of a mindset more like myself would prefer an update on what they've already paid for at least occasionally. The November rules update is now officially (at best) a February one and hopefully that type of creeping delay isn't indicative of the project in general. Eh, whatever.

I might be labelled a hater on the facebook page for expecting what was promised but it doesn't change the facts at hand. I was recently informed by Smilodon that the "final" designs for the minis apparently won't be available for public viewing until well after the pledges need to be locked. I'd suggest caution for anyone reading this to closely consider whether the risk of increasing their pledge instead of waiting for retail is worth the discount.

Supposedly, the Pod was hard at work on the rules revision, and they have had an extra 2 months to complete what were said to be simple changes. No, this does not bode well for project completion, considering that the changes were already identified and could have been done in-house.

I saw where the Pod said they weren't going to show things while the pledge manager was still open. That's just stupid. The smart call is to use the reveals to trickle in more money as people see things that they like. But forcing future spend on a pig in a poke? Nope.

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 Albertorius wrote:
Well, at least in my case it's simple: you don't show me the minis, I don't give you the bucks.

Exactly so!

I think I'm going to sit on my $1 CAD until such time that it is clear that the Pod actually can deliver what they say, and they prove it via showing actual progress of real-world stuff.