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In all fairness, I believe Dave did say last year that the delay was due to major changes to the document and not the minor ones initially envisioned but it doesn't change the fact that the only "visible" part of the KS is several months late and counting.

Sounds to me like the Pod doesn't have a fething clue what they want to do with the rules. Not a fething clue.

That's a rather strange thing to say John, considering we've always been up front about needing to change the rules up. I've made at least six blog posts about that.

The reality is that people have backed our project so that we can produce plastic minis and they can get them all next November. If we have to prioritize hitting that deadline before an update of rules that are already available as a free download I think you have to agree that we are prioritizing that one correctly.

Priority 1) Ensure that the kickstarter rewards get out on schedule or as close as possible..
Priority 2) Fulfill all our regular orders, people want their models!
Priority 3) Work on all the other projects that need doing such as rules, tokens, website, web presence etc.

All this and we try to remain accessible and friendly. So far no disasters!

Cheers!
Dave


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 warboss wrote:
In all fairness, I believe Dave did say last year that the delay was due to major changes to the document and not the minor ones initially envisioned but it doesn't change the fact that the only "visible" part of the KS is several months late and counting.

We have indeed taken a lot of feedback and I've rewritten a lot of sections to improve flow and remove jargon. We've been up front about this and we're still hoping to have the layout for the Living Rulebook beta done and out by the end of February, sooner if the February Grippe doesn't slow us down.

Cheers!
Dave




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Of course we all wish we had made a KS about exploding cats but hey, can't win them all!

OK, if you've prioritized working on the minis, how come you have nothing to show for it? No status chart, nothing.

OTOH, you did show the chibi thing that nobody asked for, along with tokens.

How about something on the minis that you claim to have been working on so diligently.

It's been more than 2 months, and you have nothing? That beggars belief.

 DP9Dave wrote:
That's a rather strange thing to say John, considering we've always been up front about needing to change the rules up. I've made at least six blog posts about that.

The reality is that people have backed our project so that we can produce plastic minis and they can get them all next November. If we have to prioritize hitting that deadline before an update of rules that are already available as a free download I think you have to agree that we are prioritizing that one correctly.

Priority 1) Ensure that the kickstarter rewards get out on schedule or as close as possible..
Priority 2) Fulfill all our regular orders, people want their models!
Priority 3) Work on all the other projects that need doing such as rules, tokens, website, web presence etc.

The problem with this is that the proof is in the pudding: so far we've seen examples of you doing point 1) (no signs of furious people saying their orders are late) and point 2) (the chibi, new tokens and stuff) but not a peep about priority 1).

Albertorius wrote:
The problem with this is that the proof is in the pudding.

We ordered the pudding, and have so far been brought a fancy cake and a plate of animal crackers.

More like, we paid for pudding, and were shown a scoop of ice cream and a plate of cookies that cost extra. All the while, the cook insists that he has been really busy working on the pudding for the past couple hours.

A scoop of ice cream made by a specially-hired ice cream maker, and animal crackers from outside the restaurant. Along with intermittently working on the menu.

Aye, well, the Kodiak has been unlocked.

Thanks.

Having just pledged (and paid) for Conan on KS, I'm putting my Heavy Gear marker on the back burner.

For the same $110-ish with shipping, Conan promises over 180 well-detailed pre-assembled 32mm minis with a ruleset a pre-teen can handle. As opposed to 50-odd robots with known terrible rules and unknown assembly steps. Key difference, Conan raised $3.3M on KS, and will likely raise quite a bit more via the Pledge Manager. DP9 is still trying to scrape a few bucks to hit $160k, like some drunk homeless bum at the end of a freeway offramp.

If, by some unknown miracle, DP9 actually looks like they will be able to deliver, I may revisit things, pay off the balance, and go forward with the KS. But I doubt it.

More likely, I'm just out the $1 CAD.

Good luck, guys, you're gonna need it.

They really will - especially with the offensively huge dive the Canadian dollar just took. :(

It's too bad gas didn't stay down, but oil prices are still a bit down. Maybe that'll help the plastics business.

Well, we know a post-KS loss of 3000$CA, or 2% of 150k, was enough for DP9 to cancel a reward level (an unprecedented move). How much did the $CA drop since, again ?

HudsonD wrote:Well, we know a post-KS loss of 3000$CA, or 2% of 150k, was enough for DP9 to cancel a reward level (an unprecedented move). How much did the $CA drop since, again ?

November 22, 2014. 1 CAD is worth 0.89031 USD so 150,406 CAD is worth $133,907 USD
February 12, 2015. 1 CAD is worth 0.79596 USD so 150,406 CAD is worth $119,717 USD

About an 11% drop in money available to deal with the US based plastic tooling company. Ouch.

I had my doubts about them having enough capital to get all the plastic tooling done as it was back in November. Now they get to try to get it done with 11% less money.

Hopefully they paid for the moulds then instead of waiting, because otherwise... they could have a problem.

I took a peek at the currency exchange values for the day the KS closed (nov 22nd) and yesterday and the same $130 CAD pledge (the most popular level plus shipping) dropped in price from $115 USD at the KS's close to $102. If you upped your pledge on Feb 2nd where it took an even steeper one day dive, you might have broke the $100 mark (plus any bank conversion fees of course).

In theory, DP9 isn't counting shipping, so there should be roughly $40k USD held for shipping, in addition to the $120k working budget.

If you look at the latest KS "unlock", DP9 is on hook to tool
* 7 Northern Gears
* 6 Southern Gears
* 6 CEF Gears, Tank & infantry
* 2 Caprice Mounts
= 22 tools

At a nominal $5k per tool, that's $100k USD.

That leaves $20k for everything else - packaging, printing, etc.

With the rules still in flux, and no visible progress on tooling, DP9 could be in real trouble on this project.

But don't worry, I'm sure Brandon and Dave will be here to say that everything will be fine if backers just pony up another $10k CAD ($8k USD) to unlock the next whatnot. I'm sure that DP9 was smart and hedged against currency shifts, given that the vast bulk of the cost would be USD, not CAD.

Take your so-called "math" elsewhere. What do you think this is, Mathhammer?

(Do...do we still call anything Mathhammer? It's been a long time for me XD)

Pretty sure HG has more math in it than 40k.

 JohnHwangDD wrote:
But don't worry, I'm sure Brandon and Dave will be here to say that everything will be fine if backers just pony up another $10k CAD ($8k USD) to unlock the next whatnot.

I suspect Brandon is largely done with Dakka now that he has an active facebook group after the Kickstarter and it's more of a tone that he agrees with. I can't say I blame him even if I don't see eye to eye on most things HG with him.

Well Heavy Math just sounds off-putting.

 warboss wrote:

I suspect Brandon is largely done with Dakka now that he has an active facebook group after the Kickstarter and it's more of a tone that he agrees with. I can't say I blame him even if I don't see eye to eye on most things HG with him.

Well, it's a lot easier, preaching to the choir.

As for the $CA dropping, I think it's quite likely DP9 converted the KS money to $US as soon as they got it. If they hadn't, well, I suspect we'd be hearing a lot more wailing...

It is much easier sharing models that we are painting from the Heavy Gear Universe.

The Kickstarter is not in my hands. I backed it because I believe they will deliver. What else they bring to our attention is just add-ons that I can either choose to purchase, or not.

Insofar as to what I am doing, that does not involve Dream Pod 9.

No need for this last comment. Reds8n

I believe that when they get around to delivering it will be something like this:

Not gonna lie, I'd play the crap out of that. My friends and I grew up playing Warhammer Fantasy (started about grade 7?) with aquarium stones as counters. Wish we'd though of using sprues like that back then!

Man, that would be a great gaming group activity. Bring your sprues, make a big pile, build armies! BYOG, though. (Bring your own glue. XD)

 Firebreak wrote:
Not gonna lie, I'd play the crap out of that. My friends and I grew up playing Warhammer Fantasy (started about grade 7?) with aquarium stones as counters. Wish we'd though of using sprues like that back then!

Man, that would be a great gaming group activity. Bring your sprues, make a big pile, build armies! BYOG, though. (Bring your own glue. XD)

I'm going to leave this here, but I'm not doing to accept responsibility for any damage caused by my link littering.

More expensive than sprues, but much more durable and reusable.

@Henshini - I'd play that Necron army in a heartbeat. It's awesome.

mrondeau wrote:

I'm going to leave this here, but I'm not doing to accept responsibility for any damage caused by my link littering.

More expensive than sprues, but much more durable and reusable.

Eminently familiar! It got me to dig out my Lego a few years ago and build for the first time in a long time.

Somewhat unconventional, but my Sand Cat gave me a new appreciation for quadruped mechs.

Henshini wrote:
I believe that when they get around to delivering it will be something like this:

First person to do a kickstarter based around armies of our garbage trying to kill us gets all my money!

Anyway, The beta for the Living Rule book is now available, and we're progressing nicely with our digital artists on the 3D models.

Download free rules!.

Cheers!
Dave

Dave, is the lack of any cmd upgrade or cmd variant for the northern recon models a feature or bug? I noticed that the other TN factions have that option but that it is conspicously missing from the north despite the addition of SECCOM variants with the last blitz books. Is it intentional that northern players only can't put their commander ever in a recon gear?