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JohnHwangDD wrote:
IIRC, Gears get +1d6 for cover, or +1d6 for running at fast speed. Or are you suggesting an extra, 2nd bonus die?

Once the game goes 4' deep, you're kind of wanting a dedicated 4x6' gaming table. OTOH, if you're nominally only 3' deep, then you're back to a 3x5' kitchen table with a preferred 3x4' game area.

I suspect Albertorious means something like the old "We're in trouble!" action that gave you a bonus +1 to defense. I suppose now it would give you a bonus to pilot skill. Also gets me thinking...

Siygess wrote:Ouch! Just got my IOU for shipping to the UK. $76 shipping for the core set + decal sheets and the b/w reference sheets. Not entirely sure how EU friendly that is..

Please tell me you're joking... are they really expecting you to pay roughly 70% of the cost of the pledge for shipping? After all those EU friendly jpegs on the kickstarter? How much of that is due to the butt whoopin' the Gbp has taken thanks to the brexit vote?

If the pilot is quaking with fear, the attacker should get the bonus die!

Leave that for the optional morale house rules I'm working on!

 JohnHwangDD wrote:
IIRC, Gears get +1d6 for cover, or +1d6 for running at fast speed. Or are you suggesting an extra, 2nd bonus die?

Once the game goes 4' deep, you're kind of wanting a dedicated 4x6' gaming table. OTOH, if you're nominally only 3' deep, then you're back to a 3x5' kitchen table with a preferred 3x4' game area.

I admit I'm not sure how exactly how it works right now: I was indeed thinking about +1d6 for running.


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 warboss wrote:
Please tell me you're joking... are they really expecting you to pay roughly 70% of the cost of the pledge for shipping? After all those EU friendly jpegs on the kickstarter? How much of that is due to the butt whoopin' the Gbp has taken thanks to the brexit vote?

Seeing as they're asking in $... nothing? If anything, if they got a quote in pounds for a shipment, it would end up being cheaper.

I would have been unimpressed paying $76 when the pound was strong against the dollar for exactly the reason you said, Warboss - it's almost the price of the core set again. Paying $76 NOW is definitely a bitter pill to swallow.

The very high shipping cost seems to be going over badly but better than I expected.

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/heavygearblitz/heavy-gear-blitz-war-for-terra-nova-starter-set/comments

The initial estimated shipping costs IMO were quite high and would have prevented me from backing as a new international backer but these new ones seem about 30-40% higher. I suppose the almost year of delays since the original due date hurt that estimate's accuracy even more. Then compound that with the precipitous drop of roughly 15% in the GBP due to the brexit and you have more issues. I really don't envy backers right now.

I particularly like how they're reneging on the Canadian postage charges, planning to charge them an unknown extra above and beyond the 15 CAD they originally estimated and collected in the Pledged Manager.

I totally dodged a bullet here.

Quick question: if the international shipping costs are what it's being qouted here (and talked about in the comments section) and they are shipping everything from their HQ via US Post International First Class Package... how is that in any way or form "UK and EU friendly"? Weren't they supposed to send a big shipment to the UK and send from there? Because this way you'll have to pay VAT and customs charges, too.

EDIT: Oh, I see they are going to do a batch shipment for UK/EU backers... hm, somehow it doesn't jive too much with their explanations of USPS costs per package weight, if they are doing a batch shipment... huh.

It's hard to support the Canada Post prices when it's on the verge of a strike. I'm currently holding off on ordering anything because of it, and the private companies have rescinded their on-time delivery guarantees because people that really need their packages have redirected all their mail through them (Purolator, UPS, etc).

Classic. I paid a year and a half ago, but someone at GenCon will have theirs built and painted before I ever get mine.

 brettness37 wrote:
Classic. I paid a year and a half ago, but someone at GenCon will have theirs built and painted before I ever get mine.

It certainly is a dick move. If they are doing that, they should be sending their stuff to backers at the same time at the very least.


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...wow. And Robert, in his infinite wisdom, has deleted my posts at the pod forum and has given me a warning for saying that it was not kosher to sell to the regular public before backers.

He apparently really wants to get rid of me... and of criticisms, of course.


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Oh, hey! I've just received a barrage of PMs from the Pod forums: I have been informed that I have received a third warning, that I have been banned and that I have been banned on perpetuitiy because I am a troll.

Seeing as I have not posted absolutely anything since the post from which Robert gave me a second warning, and that he said it was for saing that it was, quote, "a dick move", and he did not allow profanity (flexible rules, dontcha know)... it's nice to see you can get a permanent ban for doing nothing.

Thanks, Robert, now I won't be able to just post a single comment at your forum and be done with it: now I will have to post stuff everywhere else, where people will see it.

Classy move from DP9 there.
From the boxing, we can see he's clearly aiming at the 'Murica market, and willing to sacrifice every other demographics to do so, like the backers, especially the EU ones.

I can't say I'm very surprised by the whole thing, but I remain amazed by the lengths the fans will go to support the company when it's shafting the backers. Especially when it is.
At this point, it'd be almost rude of Robert not to shaft the fans and backers, when they (the former, mostly) look so happy with it.

I'm a backer and I don't feel like I'm being shafted. I supported the KS to support the company, not to make a pre-order. DP9 needs to have product available for passers-by at Gencon because it's a great way to get the word out.

As for Albertorius being banned from the DP9 forums, you're a guest there and you made yourself unwelcome. Such is the nature of forums I suppose.

Nomeny wrote:
I'm a backer and I don't feel like I'm being shafted. I supported the KS to support the company, not to make a pre-order. DP9 needs to have product available for passers-by at Gencon because it's a great way to get the word out.

As for Albertorius being banned from the DP9 forums, you're a guest there and you made yourself unwelcome. Such is the nature of forums I suppose.

I literally said that "selling at GenCon before even starting to send first to backers is kind of a dick move" and that it was PB tried to do but failed. Which it is, and even a "zero tolerance" profanity moderation would at most only have merited the first warning I got, not to the second warning and permanent ban. A forum is not (usually) a dictatorship. Unless you're Kevin Siembieda or adhere to his worldview.

The thing about forums is that it's their house and their whims. It's the owners prerogative to boot you out whether or not you're following whatever guidelines they may have posted on the door before you were invited in.

I mean, it doesn't matter if you or I think you weren't being rude or trollish, it matters whether the owner and his or her moderators thought you were, and more importantly whether they liked you.

 HudsonD wrote:
Classy move from DP9 there.
From the boxing, we can see he's clearly aiming at the 'Murica market, and willing to sacrifice every other demographics to do so, like the backers, especially the EU ones.

I can't say I'm very surprised by the whole thing, but I remain amazed by the lengths the fans will go to support the company when it's shafting the backers. Especially when it is.
At this point, it'd be almost rude of Robert not to shaft the fans and backers, when they (the former, mostly) look so happy with it.

Wow. Just saw that packaging. That's shameful. Time to deport Robert, since he apparently does not want to be Canadian.
Patriotism for a foreign country, now that's special. Of course, that won't prevent him from claiming any and all subvention for being a small Canadian company.

Nomeny wrote:
I mean, it doesn't matter if you or I think you weren't being rude or trollish, it matters whether the owner and his or her moderators thought you were, and more importantly whether they liked you.

And that right there is the important part of this.

Of course, it just serves so that what I would just might have posted there (and basically get buried and ignored) to be now posted elsewhere with more traffic...

Not that HG gets much traffic anywhere, of course.


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mrondeau wrote:
Wow. Just saw that packaging. That's shameful. Time to deport Robert, since he apparently does not want to be Canadian.
Patriotism for a foreign country, now that's special. Of course, that won't prevent him from claiming any and all subvention for being a small Canadian company.

I'm pretty sure people here would do a double take if they saw this at a FLGS. Not that they will, because the stores here won't touch it, but... still, interesting decision.

You know, for a company that supposedly like their fans and want to do good for them, DP9 is really quick to make criticism disappear. Instead of, you know, addressing the issue, improving, or, at least, acknowledging that not everyone like their decision.

It's almost as if DP9 affection for a fan is proportional to how much that fan boost their ego.

Quick! I need a labelled data set to train a model predicting the likelihood of someone being banned vs the likelihood of someone getting a new game just for them!

 Albertorius wrote:
Thanks, Robert, now I won't be able to just post a single comment at your forum and be done with it: now I will have to post stuff everywhere else, where people will see it.

Guess they never heard of the Streisand Effect in Quebec.

 Albertorius wrote:

It certainly is a dick move. If they are doing that, they should be sending their stuff to backers at the same time at the very least.

I think I agree with your "kind of a dick move" statement below more. It's certainly not friendly and they would have been better served keeping one person at the office shipping while they also sold at gencon. I understand how important gencon is to their bottom line and in terms of exposure but this feels like a short term gain move at the expense of long time fans... in other words the classic DP9 modus operandi. The cornerstone for me though is whether they actually ever promised anything of the sort (backers first!) ala Palladium. If they didn't, it's not a good idea and certainly not nice towards the backers but I wouldn't hold them to a promise they didn't ever make.

...wow. And Robert, in his infinite wisdom, has deleted my posts at the pod forum and has given me a warning for saying that it was not kosher to sell to the regular public before backers.

He apparently really wants to get rid of me... and of criticisms, of course.

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Oh, hey! I've just received a barrage of PMs from the Pod forums: I have been informed that I have received a third warning, that I have been banned and that I have been banned on perpetuitiy because I am a troll.

Now that certainly is a dick move. :(


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 fellowhoodlum wrote:

 Albertorius wrote:
Thanks, Robert, now I won't be able to just post a single comment at your forum and be done with it: now I will have to post stuff everywhere else, where people will see it.

Guess they never heard of the Streisand Effect in Quebec.

They had Celine Dion before they shipped her to us. Just as pompous and annoying but less of an internet meme.


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Nomeny wrote:

As for Albertorius being banned from the DP9 forums, you're a guest there and you made yourself unwelcome. Such is the nature of forums I suppose.

It shouldn't be carried out in such a petulent manner. The forum rules shouldn't consist of a single sentence amounting to "displease the ruler and off with your head!". That's not good community interaction, especially when your community is so small.


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 HudsonD wrote:
Classy move from DP9 there.
From the boxing, we can see he's clearly aiming at the 'Murica market, and willing to sacrifice every other demographics to do so, like the backers, especially the EU ones.

I had to look for it at the forums as I didn't see the box art in the update. Yeah, it's in your face flag waving tassles on the jacket cowboy hat wearing. I think they could have accomplished the same thing without the Team America: feth yeah! attitude by putting it prominently on the side or back like Spartan Games does with their Halo boxes and the made in the UK equivalent. If you look at those sides, you instantly see it but it's iirc not on the cover... multiple times... at the top... waving.

I'm kind of sorry for Wunji because before this his posts reassured me a lot about his HG: Dreadnoughts project, and was actually interested in it.

Now, though? Well, I don't think I'll touch it with a 10-foot pole. Is it unfair for Wunji? Well, yes, but, well... who sleeps with children wakes up wet, as we say here (and get you minds out of the gutter ).

 fellowhoodlum wrote:

 Albertorius wrote:
Thanks, Robert, now I won't be able to just post a single comment at your forum and be done with it: now I will have to post stuff everywhere else, where people will see it.

Guess they never heard of the Streisand Effect in Quebec.

Nope, we are quite aware of it. We don't use that name, but we know about how trying to suppress news can be counter productive.


Also, just like Beiber, Celine Dion is the US problem now. They know what they did.


(lose a key hockey game, and pay her more, respectively)

 warboss wrote:

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Oh, hey! I've just received a barrage of PMs from the Pod forums: I have been informed that I have received a third warning, that I have been banned and that I have been banned on perpetuitiy because I am a troll.

Now that certainly is a dick move. :(

It is actually more than that: it's thought police. "I don't like what you're saying on the KS comments, so I'm going to ban you on the forums for no reason at all, because I can't actually do anything about it on KS". Real classy.

I went in on the KS pretty heavy, hoping it was a sign that the new leadership was turning things around, listening to the fans, joining the modern game companies in updating their range to more affordable high quality plastics.

As this wears on, it's pretty obvious they are soldiering on and I will probably never see this stuff in a retail environment, let alone thriving in the gaming community.

What new leadership? Iirc Dav has been there in some capacity (usually production) for almost a decade and Robert ha been there (previously marketing or somesuch) for twice that. Is there someone else there now? I agree though with the sentiment/hope that things had changed more in tone and style but these recent decisions feel a whole lot like classic Dp9.

Heh. "Feel".

Well, I just posted my disappointment with the latest news. Took less than an hour for someone to put up a full essay on how awesome the Podpeople are, and I should be grateful that I'm getting MOST of my investment back. They even used Al here as an example of what would happen if I continued to respectfully tell them I was upset . Granted someone else told that first guy to shut up so there seems to be some difference of opinion in the Pod Bay.

So yeah, there are some people using your banning to "pour encourager les autres"

Alberto, did you also get banned from the facebook group for something you did on another site that was completely within that site's rules? Is Robert or Dave a mod there as well?

I can't say I'm surprised. Or feeling like I missed anything.

 warboss wrote:
Alberto, did you also get banned from the facebook group for something you did on another site that was completely within that site's rules? Is Robert or Dave a mod there as well?

Am I banned from their Facebook? Huh. I don't think I've ever checked it. I don't really do facebook. I guess he just doesn't want to get reminded that I exist. Shame that he can't do the same on KS .


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 Mmmpi wrote:
Well, I just posted my disappointment with the latest news. Took less than an hour for someone to put up a full essay on how awesome the Podpeople are, and I should be grateful that I'm getting MOST of my investment back.

Pod fans, as it turns out, tend to start wearing blinders the moment they get in contact with Robert. Much like Kevin Siembieda, I am told that he can be quite charming and friendly in person. Of course, when you don't play ball you find that it's just a thin veneer.

They even used Al here as an example of what would happen if I continued to respectfully tell them I was upset . Granted someone else told that first guy to shut up so there seems to be some difference of opinion in the Pod Bay.

So yeah, there are some people using your banning to "pour encourager les autres"

Yeah... that's John Prins for you. I guess that will get him points or something!

Honestly speaking, the only thing I will miss is that I spent more than ten years hanging out there and met a lot of cool people there. Of course, most if not all of those people (who, as has been pointed out, can be pretty much matched with people involved with the development or release of DP9 games) are banned too, so it's not like there's too much lost there anyway.

I like to think about the ban as Dream Pod 9's birthday gift from them to me, just 10 days early!


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 JohnHwangDD wrote:
I can't say I'm surprised. Or feeling like I missed anything.

Fancy that