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I'm keeping a toe in the Deadzone pool with the hopes that eventually Hard Plastic will be the norm and not the exception.

I'll possible accept a 'restic' model here or there, but never again in quantity.

There sci-fi stuff is so much better then there fantasy stuff.

overtyrant wrote:
There sci-fi stuff is so much better then there fantasy stuff.

Funny I just said the same thing in the KoW thread. I'm not a fan of their fantasy ranges any of them but I like the majority of the Sci-Fi stuff. I guess whatever I save by dropping KoW and keeping DS at a base pledge will just get spent on DZ2 and Warpath anyway

The new industrial terrain is a nice addition and it's nice to see curve parts for a change the first lot are very angular.

 DaveC wrote:

overtyrant wrote:
There sci-fi stuff is so much better then there fantasy stuff.

Funny I just said the same thing in the KoW thread. I'm not a fan of their fantasy ranges any of them but I like the majority of the Sci-Fi stuff. I guess whatever I save by dropping KoW and keeping DS at a base pledge will just get spent on DZ2 and Warpath anyway

The new industrial terrain is a nice addition and it's nice to see curve parts for a change the first lot are very angular.

I was actually thinking about dropping my $50 pledge as well as I'm just not feeling excited about KoW atm. I do like the terrain and boards, but there not from mantic...

Yep, count me as another who likes their sci-fi, not their fantasy. For me, "Mantica" is a bit too close to "Generica." Their sci-fi range borrows from other lines, of course, but I find that it also departs for them with more frequency, imagination, and success than their fantasy line does. Even the concept art for Warpath looks worlds better to me than the concepts that have debuted over the course of the second KOW KS. Better as in the difference between professional grade and amateur.

Wherever you stand, I think it's clear that Mantic's sci-fi line benefitted tremendously from going second, after they cut their teeth on the first KOW kickstarter. As a Mantic sci-fi fan, I'm very happy KOW happened first.

It's only fair to say that I prefer sci-fi anyway, though.

And to be even fairer, I have to say that the Nature army is looking like Mantic's best-designed KOW faction yet. I'm almost tempted to jump over the sci-fi fence for that one.


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The Open Day photos are looking great so far. I love the Asterian designs particularly. Using robots as HIPS troopers is a smart move, as it doesn't invalidate the restic cyphers, which can still function as elite troopers. The Asterian tank looks lovely, too.

Some of the photos aren't really good enough to get a good bead on the models, though, so I look forward to seeing more. It's hard to tell much about the Koris yet, for example.

Blaine from the DKQ ks is up, along with some of the heroes:

More open day pictures from Titan Games https://www.facebook.com/titangamesltd?fref=photo

The new Veermyn look good to me and I like that they are rather hairless I was worried I'd be stuck with a faction I didn't want like the marauders but I can definitely work with these. There are new Forgefathers proper ones not just redressed fantasy ones. Ronnie mentions in the BoW weekender that Deadzone Infestation is Veermyn versus Enforcer Pathfinders but as it's a mining colony the Brokkrs are also in the mix.

Industrial terrain looks promising, as do most of the sci-fi concepts.

The DBX robot team is a bit goofier than what I was hoping for.

Huh. Can't wait to hear how much people don't like the veermyn.

Look ok to me so far but those will come down to colors a bit for me.

Well... I never liked bare-armed rat dudes, I prefer a prevalence of fur. However they're creepier if there's more skin showing so some may like that.

The beast has potential, but that colored artwork towards the end... they look too... i dunno is it cute?

Steel warrior renders look good. Pretty similar to the current variety but with scifi bits rather than fantasy, so about right imo.

 GrimDork wrote:
Huh. Can't wait to hear how much people don't like the veermyn.

Look ok to me so far but those will come down to colors a bit for me.

Well... I never liked bare-armed rat dudes, I prefer a prevalence of fur. However they're creepier if there's more skin showing so some may like that.

The beast has potential, but that colored artwork towards the end... they look too... i dunno is it cute?

Steel warrior renders look good. Pretty similar to the current variety but with scifi bits rather than fantasy, so about right imo.

My 4-year-old, who has a good eye for these things, decided the Veer-myn look "dumb." On the other hand, he loves the "Beast." I'm a harder sell when it comes to large rat monsters; rat Ogres, Skaven abominations, etc. always looked stupid to me.

I prefer Remy's Veer-myn sculpts, and the arms are part of that - most of his Veer-myn arms are fully or partially covered with armor, rags, etc.. I agree with Grimdork that bare pumped up human arms don't work for me. Some HIPS Veer-myn could be useful to convert / play around with, though.

I have to agree that the artwork makes the Veer-myn look silly rather than menacing. (And while I'll readily admit that the idea of space ratmen is fundamentally silly, in sci-fi / fantasy, where most things are inherently absurd, presentation is everything. The right art can make them work.



The Steel warriors look good, as do the Pathfinders. Neither are that much different from things I already have in restic, though.

DBX unboxing by Chilling Wargamers

 DaveC wrote:
I'll see if I can post them hang on (the concepts are for Warpath not the next DZ)

HARD PLASTIC DROPSHIP! GIMMEEEE!

Yeah I'd be down for at least one of those. The aesterian tank is cool too. Actually so's the starwars hoverbike and the chunkier asterian cypher. Actually if that's a battledroid maybe it's just solely AI with no highly skilled pilot, more of a grunt unit.

In plastic, and probably half the price of comparable GW models, I could see fielding these to replace Tau Fire Warriors

Now that I'm over my earlier nerdgasm, I'd guess that these Cyphers are not remote piloted. These ones are probably generic grunt models while the previous Deadzone ones were more special forces types. Either way, I still really like them. Asterians continue to be my favorite non-human race, I think. Though, those new Forgefathers designs look great, too. I'm glad to see they decided to keep the enclosed helmets.

Are you sure they're the grunts? i thought those battle droids were supposed to be large walkers, ie the Asterian equivalent to the Striders, Stuntbot and Iron Ancestor

I was very disappointed with the Asterian droids i got from the KS. They look like they were whittled out of tiny match sticks. I would be much happier with the slightly rounder, slightly bulkier look shown above.

Wild woman druid looks interesting. Male druid looks boring...while suffering from Inexplicable And Impractical Adornment Syndrome.

I will keep my dollar in but with Mantic i have learned to wait for the final models to be shown.

Not too keen on the plastic enforcers/peacekeepers.. Maybe it's just the way they've been assembled, but they look a bit chunky and awkward.

The dropship looks promising and its lack of scale-dependent detail means it could be very popular with the 15mm crowd, too.

The Veer-myn renders and new artwork looks a bit too "clean" for my taste.

I think I agree on the veermyn. One thing to be said about clean though is you can usually dirty it up. If I can't get over the bare arms, I may just have to sculpt some fur. Well assuming I get them, but they'll most likely be an integral component of the main pledge level.



I have no facts detailing the asterian battle droids as grunts, it was just my guess. Given the way other large asterian units look, the droid looks more like he's cypher sized than, say, the concept for the tank. Still speculation though.

I'd say Veermyn will be an intregal part of the Infestation box set but it's likely that existing owners won't need to get the box set just the updated rulebook (which all DZ1 backers will get as digital version anyway) and then add on as you like at the end of the day the box set pledge would probably still be the best value even if you don't particularly want some of it.

There's been a lot of requests for an Asterian large mech for Deadzone as they are the only faction without one but it would be slightly disappointing if it's just a bigger Cypher. It will be intersting to see what they do with the Asterian HIPS troops, the battle droids in HIPS and keeping the Cyphers in restic as elites probably makes most sense. Whatever they choose I've shelved plans to start my Asterians until after the DZ2 KS reveals all (no point painting restic troops if they get replaced with hard plastic which is why my Enforcers are waiting for wave 3 delivery)

The Warpath alpha rules are due on Christmas day according to Ronnie so that might reveal more.

Oh cool. I've got someone trying to play 40k with me and we were sticking to the 6th ed rules due to not wanting to buy the new book right away... Maybe we can try out the new warpath soon instead.

I'm sure I'll be ok with the veermyn, I may just not want to double them up like I did almost everything in wave 1/2.

 GrimDork wrote:
I think I agree on the veermyn. One thing to be said about clean though is you can usually dirty it up. If I can't get over the bare arms, I may just have to sculpt some fur.

Well sure, but it is still a bit strange as I think the current Veer-myn design is quite good. So I don't know why they decided to change it.

I'd be willing to bet money that the battle droids will be grunt troops, not Mechs. It makes sense. Doing the Cyphers over in HIPS is redundant and instantly turns the existing restic ones into a non-seller, so the Asterians need something else as a basic HIPS trooper. Doing what the Battle Droid concept as a Mech only makes the Asterians look even more uniform and less distinctive, as DaveC said. And "Battle Droids" smacks of Star Wars, where the term described grunt troops. That last one may be a bit of a stretch, but take a look at the Asterian flying bike and then tell me that Mantic never looked at Episode 1 when dreaming up their Asterian concepts.

For what it's worth, I prefer the new Droid design to the current Cyphers. It's my favorite image to come out of Open Day so far. It's labeled "Warpath," though, so I guess we won't be seeing any new Asterian forces anytime soon.

I'll keep an open mind about the Veer-myn until we see more of them. It might be worth my while to swap in some new arms, although I can't see myself bothering with sculpting on new fur.

In general, none of the Deadzone images - Veer-myn, Peacekeeper, or Brokkr - are grabbing me by the throat as "must haves." I like the two Peacekeepers I already have just fine (the Deadzone character and the female sniper). Those two add a nice bit of variety to my fully armored troopers, but I think I prefer the Peacekeepers as a spice rather than a main course. I love the standard Enforcer helmets, and would rather field a platoon of the fully armored guys than an entire squad of Peacekeepers. The Brokkrs (Steel Warriors) are of some interest, because if I add them in with the FF I already own, you get more variety than you usually would from a single unit type. On the other hand, between my current Steel Warriors and Stormrage Vets, they aren't different enough to be necessary purchases, either.

Nothing looks terrible, I'm just not very excited by what I've seen so far. I'll be following the KS closely to see how things evolve.

The Warpath battle droids and vehicles, on the other hand, look fantastic.

 GrimDork wrote:
I have no facts detailing the asterian battle droids as grunts, it was just my guess. Given the way other large asterian units look, the droid looks more like he's cypher sized than, say, the concept for the tank. Still speculation though.

To me the details (especially the feet), the proportions and thickness of the limbs, and the alternate CC arms with an integrated gun arm make me think it's going to be a walker, but it seems I'm just guessing as well

Oh, look at the base. The little integrated one under his feet. Infantry, calling it now.

 GrimDork wrote:
Oh, look at the base. The little integrated one under his feet. Infantry, calling it now.

if only - Roberto draws a base under his concepts regardless of size - it's his "thing" along with the distinctive signature

Tsk Tsk Grim Dork!

Still calling it, If that's a walker then more power to it... but I don't think it has enough of what I'd call "aesterian frills" to be as such. Should be interesting in either case! Especially in hard plastic.

 GrimDork wrote:
Oh cool. I've got someone trying to play 40k with me and we were sticking to the 6th ed rules due to not wanting to buy the new book right away... Maybe we can try out the new warpath soon instead.

I'm sure I'll be ok with the veermyn, I may just not want to double them up like I did almost everything in wave 1/2.

Ronnie said "New" Warpath won't ship until 2016, the rules development is still early on in the process, and their counting on the DZ2 to produce the pastic infantrly that would be required for a poper Warpath game.