The [Retired] Mantic games - Sci-fi N&R: Pathfinder renders (pg 54), Veer-myn renders (pg 55)

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**DaveC**

I've only received the boxed game so far and that was the part I was least interested in but it was only $15 after the credits and the terrain alone is worth that. The rest is in the next lot of shipping.

There's pictures of the MA Dreadball Team here:
http://objectivesecured.blogspot.ie/2014/10/mars-attacks-dreadball-team-arrive.html

They ended up in Red plastic.

The World War book has a picture of the unpainted but assembled truck it's in the same biege/khaki colour as the marines and the Martian Bugs.

**DaveC**

judgedoug wrote:
re Enforcer sprues - so those two cylinders near the heads are ... grenades? What about those handle-looking things (that look like plasma cutters from Aliens)

They appear in the earlier 3D renders they look like a knife with a serrated blade with a pouch like handle cover.

The hard plastics look very nice. I've been waiting for them before tackling the Enforcer faction.

**DaveC**

DBX Brokkr and Excavator preview

**DaveC**

I think the issue is that Remy sculpted the Warpath ones but someone else (who's name eludes me now) sculpted the Dreadball ones and they aren't up to Remy's standard. Plus fur in restic = not good! Of the original 4 Dreadball teams only the Veer Myn weren't done by Remy.

My Dreadball Veer Myn remain in the box untouched.

**DaveC**

Vermonter wrote:
Don't think I've seen this posted here yet. I like it; it'll make a nice addition to my Forge Father Deadzone force.

I'll get me coat

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/180/620826.page#7338572

It got lost in the MA talk. I like it but I think I'll be using it in DZ rather than DB(X) I hope the base is easy to remove. The Brokkrs with some arm swaps will mix in well too.

**DaveC**

Might as well put the DBX update here as well

Well folks, it’s only a couple of weeks until shipping and we’ve got some fresh new previews!

Hot on the heels of the free agents, sponsors and scenery are these shots of the production models for the Convicts and Kalyshi teams. As you can see the figures are looking sharp!

We’ve already shown you the Rebs and Sphyr, so next up is the Brokkrs:

And check out these MVPs in all their glory!

Irsula MVP

The Excavator (see above)

**DaveC**

Titan Games posted pictures of their DBX set. https://www.facebook.com/titangamesltd?fref=photo

**DaveC**

Plastic Peacekeepers assembled and painted by Titan Games

**DaveC**

Yeah Ronnie mentioned in the Mantic radio podcast that hard plastic pathfinders are the second kit they want to do for DZ2 after Veermyn he also mentioned HIPs Asterism troops and Reb troops

That's a nice drop ship concept

**DaveC**

I'll see if I can post them hang on (the concepts are for Warpath not the next DZ)

Automatically Appended Next Post:
Ok that worked I'll do the rest now

**DaveC**

overtyrant wrote:
There sci-fi stuff is so much better then there fantasy stuff.

Funny I just said the same thing in the KoW thread. I'm not a fan of their fantasy ranges any of them but I like the majority of the Sci-Fi stuff. I guess whatever I save by dropping KoW and keeping DS at a base pledge will just get spent on DZ2 and Warpath anyway

The new industrial terrain is a nice addition and it's nice to see curve parts for a change the first lot are very angular.

**DaveC**

More open day pictures from Titan Games https://www.facebook.com/titangamesltd?fref=photo

The new Veermyn look good to me and I like that they are rather hairless I was worried I'd be stuck with a faction I didn't want like the marauders but I can definitely work with these. There are new Forgefathers proper ones not just redressed fantasy ones. Ronnie mentions in the BoW weekender that Deadzone Infestation is Veermyn versus Enforcer Pathfinders but as it's a mining colony the Brokkrs are also in the mix.

**DaveC**

DBX unboxing by Chilling Wargamers

**DaveC**

I'd say Veermyn will be an intregal part of the Infestation box set but it's likely that existing owners won't need to get the box set just the updated rulebook (which all DZ1 backers will get as digital version anyway) and then add on as you like at the end of the day the box set pledge would probably still be the best value even if you don't particularly want some of it.

There's been a lot of requests for an Asterian large mech for Deadzone as they are the only faction without one but it would be slightly disappointing if it's just a bigger Cypher. It will be intersting to see what they do with the Asterian HIPS troops, the battle droids in HIPS and keeping the Cyphers in restic as elites probably makes most sense. Whatever they choose I've shelved plans to start my Asterians until after the DZ2 KS reveals all (no point painting restic troops if they get replaced with hard plastic which is why my Enforcers are waiting for wave 3 delivery)

The Warpath alpha rules are due on Christmas day according to Ronnie so that might reveal more.

**DaveC**

GrimDork wrote:
Oh, look at the base. The little integrated one under his feet. Infantry, calling it now.

if only - Roberto draws a base under his concepts regardless of size - it's his "thing" along with the distinctive signature

**DaveC**

GrimDork wrote:
Ahh, I thought someone had said we'd see the rules out, well trial rules, by december or something.

I knew I hadn't imagined it Ronnie says it here at 1:26:50 he also mentioned it somewhere else I can't recall right now.

http://www.ohiohammer.com/blog/?p=2148

**DaveC**

Very nice Evil & Chaos - now if you can just convince them to do a 1.5"x1.5" square panel and/or 1.5"x1.5" X frame I'd be set

For me personally it comes down to time versus money, I have little hobby time (or inclination) to spend scratch building but I have the funds to buy a kit that doesn't require a huge amount of work or time on my part sure I can buy hardware store pipe or sheets of mdf, insulating foam but just give me the finished version in a box and I'll pay the extra for that instead. Each to their own though perhaps the pipes will be a separate kit/sprue and the gubbins will be their own sprue an accessory frame 2 as it were.

**DaveC**

DBX started shipping this morning theres a video on facebook of all the packed boxes so far waiting for collection by Royal Mail. Wave 1 appears to be the same for everyone boxed game plus one or 2 bits so hopefully mispacks at a minimum.

**DaveC**

3 KS per year is what they seem to be planning for with Deadzone: Infestation starting in January (in the slot that KoW was supposed to take) and Warpath closer to the year end. Not sure what the third will be I don't think it's more Dreadball though there was a year and a half between the 2 Dreadball KS. DBX has to get it's retail releases in 2015 it's the only project ready to go to retail as both KoW and DS won't be ready until mid year at earliest, there's a little bit of Deadzone left to release and some Mars Attacks bits too. Not sure there's even much let to add to Dreadball to justify another KS does the game need another 12 teams for 37 in total

**DaveC**

From the comments this wave consists of the lithograph, transfer sheet and the boxed game with 2 bags of each team (10 per bag) (Convicts and Asterians only), 2 bags of Free Agents (9 per bag) Blaine and the Warden are also in this bag so apparently you get 2 of each and two bags of crates/scenery. Wave 2 which is the rest of Season 4 and some 3rd party bits to follow in January and wave 3 season 5 and 6 in May/June

**DaveC**

At a guess they will prioritise and finish DBX shipping first as everyone is getting the same its easy to pack plus they will want it in peoples hands by Christmas. Deadzone wave 3 has a lot of packing options even for the small amount of product offered it should follow straight after DBX some people might get it just before Christmas some after.

Mantic never seem to combine shipping for projects even if it would save them money I guess its just a packing headache to mix projects. I'm waiting on DBX, DZ wave 3 and a SciFi Christmas box the Christmas box shipped yesterday.

**DaveC**

My scifi crazy box arrived overall I'm happy with the contents I got more than I paid in parts I want and the stuff I'm meh about I can still find a use for.

Contents of box labelled SF2 spoilers in case you want to be surprised

Spoiler:

**DaveC**

Apparently the second pack of free agents had to be pulled from wave 1 due to weight restrictions and it should ship with wave 2 now

**DaveC**

The latest update also had a picture of Schnorkel, Irsala and Grak - is that a Spogre with proper scaled legs!
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1744629938/dreadball-xtreme/posts/1082162

**DaveC**

Grak is a Space Ogre (or Spogre for short). The Hobgoblin Guard is a Hulk

**DaveC**

Somewhere in the comments I have a hazy recollection of it but I'm not digging through that lot again

Mission Control has a picture of Galdo - I prefer him to the regular DZ Kraaw I might swap on a set of undamaged wings and use him in DZ instead.

**DaveC**

The Saan-Gar (Shark) is wave 3 of the KS rumoured to be May/June to backers (some of wave 3 is still in design so it hasn't even hit production yet plus CNY and all that) so add 2 or 3 months for retail, Schnorkel is wave 2 in January so again add 2 or 3 months.

It's very true about some of these designs they've gone so over the top crazy with some them but it worked out great. Again their Sci-Fi stuff just seems to work out so much better than the fantasy stuff.

**DaveC**

I thought I heard somewhere perhaps it was even Ronnie himself said it that the DZ KS money wasn't enough to cover everything and they've put anther $80k or so in themselves since. It looks like they are restricted to that size of sprue and layout by their manufacturers capabilities. Extras would be great but I guess they are looking at it from a Warpath point of view - a mass of troops on table what each individual one looks like is less important than the overall look. which is how they seem to approach KoW as well - not to everyone's tastes mind. At $10 for 5 I consider these a good buy retail remains to be seen.

**DaveC**

Like I say just a vague recollection of some interview or other (plus Deadzone isn't just miniatures there's a whole game and all that goes with it to produce). Aren't WGF bank rolling some of the Dreamforge stuff against future sales? (EDIT I see RobertsMinis mentioned similar above me)

**DaveC**

I cleaned my whole DBX box today very few mold lines the only tricky ones were the Kalyshi jacks as there is more armour/skin transitions so they have more flash. The models scale well with DZ the Grogan Keeper head fits the DZ Grogan without any cutting or filling and I converted the Yndij Reaver into a DZ Sergeant with just a hand swap.

I was hoping to do my Enforcers this week but it looks like I'll be painting the Convict team instead.