Forum adverts like this one are shown to any user who is not logged in. Join us by filling out a tiny 3 field form and you will get your own, free, dakka user account which gives a good range of benefits to you: No adverts like this in the forums anymore. Times and dates in your local timezone. Full tracking of what you have read so you can skip to your first unread post, easily see what has changed since you last logged in, and easily see what is new at a glance. Email notifications for threads you want to watch closely. Being a part of the oldest wargaming community on the net. If you are already a member then feel free to login now.

As a new beginner, I think I can chime in here. I played 40k over 15 years ago when I was a young teen, and loved it. Years passed and real life got in the way. I met a friend and we play board games and mini games every week. We got hooked on dust tactics for a while, and I started playing battlefield, the tabletop variant, and loved it. I soon had the draw to go back to playing 40k. I paid the insane price for the full rulebook and started reading. I was given a DV set as a gift, and had a blast painting the models and had a few starter games. We played 2 games with the starter armies, and man, it got really boring checking the rules every 2 minutes. And the way the book is written, it will say this rule on page 15, but then counteract it on page 132, it was really annoying. But my love for the models pushed on. I began pricing out a chaos army.

It doesnt look so bad when you have a webstore and are browsing, But I went to my local gamestore and went to pick up some models. Now, I always pay with cash, as being retired I have a budget, and its much easier to see how much your spending with cash then a card. So I grab a hellbrute model, which I had a blast painting the DV one, and wanted another in my army. I then saw the 50+ dollar price tag. Now, going to the store I knew the price and it didn't bother me too much, but holding the box in my hand, I couldn't justify paying that money for this one box. Now, if the rules were a bit more streamlined, I may have bit the bullet. I did have fun playing when I did, but it would be too long before I could hang with the big boys and memorize most of the rules.

Fast forward a few days, I discovered Kings of War from this forum. I downloaded the rules (FREE!) and proxied an army. By turn 3 of our first game we had the rules down, with very few rule checks. After this game I bought the 2 player starter set for me and the gf, for less than 50 bucks online. For the price of a hellbrute, I was able to buy 2 armys to start playing right away. I have since finished painting my undead army and am looking to add to it. With $100, I can have a huge army to play with. Basically, for a few dollars more than the 40k rulebook, I can have a very large army to play with in KOW.

Do the KOW minis hold a candle to 40k? Hell no, but on the tabletop ill be damned if I care. Another friend of mine just started getting in to the hobby last week, and asked about 40k, because he said its all over the internet when he searched for games of this type. I played a dv game of 40k, then a game of KOW with him in the same day, and he went and backed the KS for KOW.

SlaveToDorkness wrote:Point proven... It's a Librarian. Guess the design is too shallow to be able to tell without paint.

-DE- wrote:That's because you put it together from bits that were never meant to make a librarian. I'd have no trouble telling a metal (or recent plastic) librarian from other marines.

Well, it's been quite a while since I was a fan of 40K, and quite a while since I paid much attention to the paraphernalia of space marines, let alone librarians; so I dunno whether to be smug or ashamed of the fact I recognised the model's psychic hood after a couple of seconds.

Might say something about the officialism vs. creativity of GW fans, I dunno...


Automatically Appended Next Post:

XvReaperXv wrote:
Do the KOW minis hold a candle to 40k? Hell no, but on the tabletop ill be damned if I care.

I'd be first in the queue at Mantic's whiny net poster complaints desk regarding their mini quality, but yes: when you factor in the price of those minis and quality of the rules (Not to mention the much more relaxed proxy guidelines ), it begins to balance out fairly well.

XvReaperXv wrote:
As a new beginner, I think I can chime in here. I played 40k over 15 years ago when I was a young teen, and loved it.

I was given a DV set as a gift, and had a blast painting the models and had a few starter games. We played 2 games with the starter armies, and man, it got really boring checking the rules every 2 minutes. And the way the book is written, it will say this rule on page 15, but then counteract it on page 132, it was really annoying. But my love for the models pushed on. I began pricing out a chaos army.

It doesnt look so bad when you have a webstore and are browsing, But I went to my local gamestore and went to pick up some models. Now, I always pay with cash, as being retired I have a budget, and its much easier to see how much your spending with cash then a card. So I grab a hellbrute model, which I had a blast painting the DV one, and wanted another in my army. I then saw the 50+ dollar price tag. Now, going to the store I knew the price and it didn't bother me too much, but holding the box in my hand, I couldn't justify paying that money for this one box. Now, if the rules were a bit more streamlined, I may have bit the bullet. I did have fun playing when I did, but it would be too long before I could hang with the big boys and memorize most of the rules.

Hi! I don't know you personally, but I do know you, because I'm of a very similar mind. I'm going to give you a word of advice, because I think it will help you tremendously: eBay.

That's my one word to you.

What I mean by that is to go to eBay and buy a couple 3rd Edition Rulebooks.

They should be dirt cheap, and they will have army lists along with the most streamlined version of the rules ever written for 40k. You can map just about any DV model into those rulebook lists, Chaos or Dark Angels, and have a blast just playing. Simple and easy to memorize, and pretty well-balanced.

Now, granted, there is fancier stuff out there now (Flyers, Titans), but you don't really need to worry about that stuff. You can always house rule them or adapt them backward.

As a fixed game, you could do far worse than rolling back the clock to a much simpler game with far less rules overhead to keep track of.

 Bottle wrote:
I would recommend both Dark Vengence and Island of Blood as great starter sets into wargaming. The only thing missing is terrain. Some rocks or ruins printed on card can quickly solve that.

In the case of Isle of Blood I would recommend getting the box, then downloading the free Kings of War rules.

Miniatures wise, the High Elves in the IoB box are pretty decent, and if you can find somebody that wants the gods awful Skaven that share the box with them then split the box.

Kings of War is a better game, but since the rules are free then getting them and Isle of Blood is a simple choice.

The Auld Grump


Automatically Appended Next Post:

 JohnHwangDD wrote:

XvReaperXv wrote:
As a new beginner, I think I can chime in here. I played 40k over 15 years ago when I was a young teen, and loved it.

I was given a DV set as a gift, and had a blast painting the models and had a few starter games. We played 2 games with the starter armies, and man, it got really boring checking the rules every 2 minutes. And the way the book is written, it will say this rule on page 15, but then counteract it on page 132, it was really annoying. But my love for the models pushed on. I began pricing out a chaos army.

It doesnt look so bad when you have a webstore and are browsing, But I went to my local gamestore and went to pick up some models. Now, I always pay with cash, as being retired I have a budget, and its much easier to see how much your spending with cash then a card. So I grab a hellbrute model, which I had a blast painting the DV one, and wanted another in my army. I then saw the 50+ dollar price tag. Now, going to the store I knew the price and it didn't bother me too much, but holding the box in my hand, I couldn't justify paying that money for this one box. Now, if the rules were a bit more streamlined, I may have bit the bullet. I did have fun playing when I did, but it would be too long before I could hang with the big boys and memorize most of the rules.

Hi! I don't know you personally, but I do know you, because I'm of a very similar mind. I'm going to give you a word of advice, because I think it will help you tremendously: eBay.

That's my one word to you.

What I mean by that is to go to eBay and buy a couple 3rd Edition Rulebooks.

They should be dirt cheap, and they will have army lists along with the most streamlined version of the rules ever written for 40k. You can map just about any DV model into those rulebook lists, Chaos or Dark Angels, and have a blast just playing. Simple and easy to memorize, and pretty well-balanced.

Now, granted, there is fancier stuff out there now (Flyers, Titans), but you don't really need to worry about that stuff. You can always house rule them or adapt them backward.

As a fixed game, you could do far worse than rolling back the clock to a much simpler game with far less rules overhead to keep track of.

Gonna chime in here -

I love Kings of War. It has become my game of choice for fantasy wargaming.

But I also have to agree that rolling back to third edition WH40K is a good choice as well.

I really have not liked the ever increasing random factor that has crept into 40K since then - and one of the reasons that I like third edition is that it has less random silliness than second edition had.

I felt that it was a better wargame.

Sadly, I have sold off most of my 40K collection, but I still use most of my Warhammer Fantasy stuff - just not for Warhammer.

The Auld Grump

The Auld Grump

Deadnight wrote:

As a counter point, Infinity looks amazing to me......

My point has always been that you should not have to Write an Essay to convince people to buy into a game..

Take my local gaming group for example (a dussin people), we are all X 40k and WHF players.. Nobody had to convince anny of us to start GW games back in the day the miniatures looks fething Awsome, and that got us to start reading the lore and that was also Awsome = we where hooked

We left GW games back in 2010-2011 because of the rules, and we looked at diffrent games the one that popped out first was Warmachine/Hordes, why? because the miniatures looked decent enough and some were even kinda cool..

Now we have the Infinity problem, they dont Jump out at you, Most people I have talked to (even people playing the game), dont think the miniatures is the main selling point of the game.. Warmachine/hordes, Warzone, Malifaux are all Skrimish games but they manages to atleast mix up the aesthetics of their games a bit from Faction to Faction...

I personaly think Corvus belli just need to redesign their Miniatures for the greater good (they have the talent for it, they just need to understand that their game is underpreforming because they have failed to design them correctly. There is alot of lost revenue because of this...

People can argue untill they are blue in the face that they are tired of 40k aesthetics. But the thing is that it is the game that got most of us hooked on the hobby.. So at some point even the laudest anti GW advocate has to take a long hard look at himself and come to the understanding that One of the mayor things that made GW so big was their Miniatures.

I want the smaller Games to succeed and someone needs to tell Corvus Belli that they need to change their miniature lines, Because if they dont they will remain a small alternative game and never hit it big... this is just fact there are not enough Militarary/vets and Anime fans too suport the line if it wants to hit it big.. Those fans will still remain with the game if they made 1 faction look like Modern Army soldiers..

One more thing the reason so many people like Ariadna(someone posted they are one of the more popular Factions). Is that it is one of the better designed factions, For example if I was going to pick any Faction in infinity to play it would be Ariadna, they have the clearest design with the Kilts and wolfs to make it stand out from the rest of the rabble...


What is important to understand is that Design, same as art has rules, there are dos and donts.. advertising has known this for years. If you look at Car design, Clothing design or Hell just look att Coca Cola... You need to understand Design to make good miniatures. Sculpting Talent alone wont help you, you need a good designer that know what they are doing.. Corvus Belli have good Sculpters and painters but they seem to lack Designers... Because anybody with any schooling in arts and design would have told these dudes NO NO we cant do it like this it will hurt our sales, 7+ identical Factions is BAD idea Period... This is very sad and it is holding them back from really breaking into the mainstream of Table top gaming...

Board and table top games hit 700m last year and the top sellers in the US where:

: Warhammer 40k
Games Workshop

2: Star Wars X-Wing Miniatures
Fantasy Flight Games

3: Warmachine
Privateer Press

4: Star Trek Attack Wing
WizKids/NECA

5: Hordes
Privateer Press

What do these 5 games have in common? Really good art design... Even if Warmachine/hordes might be the worst they are still way above all the other competion in the market..

Good art Design, Good Concepts = Good sales...

And to Corvus Belli Start Making big Monsters.. And put Big armour on one of your factions NOW because we want to play your game but your miniatures are so bland that We do not GO WOW I must have this NOW!! Good rules are nice but It would also be Cool if you made some gak that most of us, No the Minority, wanted to paint and play with hehe



Automatically Appended Next Post:

One more thing ask yourself this Do you think Coca Cola would change their Bottle design if they found out that people dont like to look of them? and that reason kept those people from buying the product?

If more people would buy a SCI FI miniatures game if it had BIG monsters and Cool Armoured Soldiers, and even a faction with Spec OPS( I think spec ops are cool just not 7+ Faction with them, one or two will be enough to get people who like it to get that Faction)..

Corvus belli needs to "SELL OUT", nobody rewards them for lost sales.. All bussnisses want to/need to sell more... People are starved for a good SCI FI game to play at 25mm... Do not let some new Kickstarter come and pull the rugg out from under you, Because it is just a mather of time before Mantic or some other company comes out with a game that more people find pleasing.. And guess what your so called "loyal customers", will jump ship faster then Rats on a sinking ship if this happens..

I've rarely read someone speak on a topic that they are so poorly informed on, and I've been on the internet for a while.

CB has actually grown significantly in the last few years:

http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?378889-Financial-analysis-of-other-war-games-companies

Although it sounds weird asking this, what stands out as not standing out? It was seeing the bikes, giant robots and day-glow ninjas that got me interested.

Most people I've talked to about it have always said the miniatures looked amazing for the most part, with high individual price per miniature being the put-off.

I think Nomads and ALEPH seem the most popular overall, at a guess.

@zlayer 25%+ growth year after year and nearly 75% growth last year for CB, says your wrong. CB don't needs and likely don't want the "wow, look at all the oversized extras (pad, weapons, ext.) are on the model, it's the best" crowd.

 plastictrees wrote:
I've rarely read someone speak on a topic that they are so poorly informed on, and I've been on the internet for a while.

But I want to play Infinity but the Miniatures are stopping me from getting anyone interested in the game.. Is this so damn hard to understand? You have to serch long and hard to find anyone willing to give it shoot.. And the answer I keep getting from people are " The miniatures just dont do it for me, they look bland jada jada"

This is not acceptable, and dont give me the bull about diffrent folks diffrent strokes etc... It is not good when alot of people are opting out of buying your products because they "dont do it for them".. coca cola would not accept this! and corvus Belli should not either. And it is high time they did something about it...

The whole point of Diffrent Factions is to broaden your potential customer base.. Making all your gak looks the same is a horrible aproche to table top gaming pure and simple...

We WANT TO PLAY INFINITY but the design is stopping us.. that is lost revenue for Corvus belli.. That could get fix by "selling out" if they designed some gak that appeals to more people...

It is not a BAD thing to broaden the appeal of your product line it is just good Buissness...

Miniatures wise, the High Elves in the IoB box are pretty decent, and if you can find somebody that wants the gods awful Skaven that share the box with them then split the box.

I say, you cad.

Many complaints can be laid at GW's feet and I'd join in with most of them, but Seb Perbett took that pukeworthy model range, gave it a makeover, and dragged it from the bottom of the cesspit to the heights. Worst thing about it is that odds and ends like some weapons teams, various runners, and globadiers are still old, hideous, and even more ridiculously priced than GW's norm, and the IoB rat ogres haven't made it to the 'mainstream' range yet.

 Daba wrote:
CB has actually grown significantly in the last few years:

http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?378889-Financial-analysis-of-other-war-games-companies

Although it sounds weird asking this, what stands out as not standing out? It was seeing the bikes, giant robots and day-glow ninjas that got me interested.

Most people I've talked to about it have always said the miniatures looked amazing for the most part, with high individual price per miniature being the put-off.

I think Nomads and ALEPH seem the most popular overall, at a guess.

The game is good and that has helped them to grow.. but to get even more people into the game they need to change up the miniatures more... Because even if you have not come across them, there are alot of us who do not like the Art design.. and think it is a design mess

And if they threw in Big monsters and, Flashed out the Factions better would you Dudes stop playing the game? if your beloved spec ops where still there but maybe limited to say half the factions? I think NOT.. and then the people like me who like big monsters could also get into the FUN....

Ps: Big Monsters are also totaly in line with "anime" style if they are going for that... so it would not break the lore.. But more BIG STUFF, I do like the Big things in infinity but there is just not enough of it.. and It would not hurt to FIX that alien faction that mostly look human (accept that cool sniper that looks like its crawling on the ground)... more diversity would not hurt the game that is one of the points I am trying to make here.. Flash out the Factions, and make them more unique and even more people will start playing...

Noir wrote:
@zlayer 25%+ growth year after year and nearly 75% growth last year for CB, says your wrong. CB don't needs and likely don't want the "wow, look at all the oversized extras (pad, weapons, ext.) are on the model, it's the best" crowd.

So successful that they just discontinued their historical ranges (how many of you knew CB sold historical minis?) to concentrate on it, and scuppered my plans for 15mm GoT. Thanks a bunch, Corvus Belli.

(In seriousness, that makes up my mind for me to go with Perry HYW, no huge loss, but smacks a bit of the Specialist Games abandonment...)


Automatically Appended Next Post:

 zlayer77 wrote:

But I want to play Infinity but the Miniatures are stopping me from getting anyone interested in the game.. Is this so damn hard to understand? You have to serch long and hard to find anyone willing to give it shoot.. And the answer I keep getting from people are " The miniatures just dont do it for me, they look bland jada jada"

Speaking selfishly: Good. Sci-fi/fantasy gaming could use a touch less 40K/WoW/Xbox awesomebro mentality. I'm not opposed to big monsters, in fact I'm something of a fanboy, but I don't think any given setting would be automatically improved or deepened with the thought "dese puny humans are borin'! I know what this thing needs - 'uge monstars wiv gnashy teeth! You can 'ave that idea for free, that 'un's yours, my son..."
In fact I'd strip out the kilty werewolves and big robots if I could. But one thing that attracts me towards Infinity, even without dipping my toe yet, is that the game doesn't hinge on that big flashy stuff it already has. Unlike certain others in the subject of this thread.

There's a lot more customization with Perry miniatures HYW if you add them with WotR, and also it's super cheap. So yeah, if someone wants to play Fantasy I'll just point them to KoW rules (free) and other miniature lines (like Perry if you want human armies, or Mantic for Undead. Heck even GW if they really like the minis).

The game is good and that has helped them to grow.. but to get even more people into the game they need to change up the miniatures more... Because even if you have not come across them, there are alot of us who do not like the Art design.. and think it is a design mess

So basically you're asking them to a) to invest on new design, b) overhaul all of their products and b) piss off their established customer base who likes the art direction? Does that sound like a good business plan if what they're doing is making their game grow exponentially larger?

"Hey guys we're doing real good with what we're doing so far! Let's do something else that will piss off our current customers and invest on stuff that we're not sure will fly but whatever!" Truthfully it sounds like something GW would do.

 heartserenade wrote:
There's a lot more customization with Perry miniatures HYW if you add them with WotR, and also it's super cheap. So yeah, if someone wants to play Fantasy I'll just point them to KoW rules (free) and other miniature lines (like Perry if you want human armies, or Mantic for Undead. Heck even GW if they really like the minis).

The game is good and that has helped them to grow.. but to get even more people into the game they need to change up the miniatures more... Because even if you have not come across them, there are alot of us who do not like the Art design.. and think it is a design mess

So basically you're asking them to a) to invest on new design, b) overhaul all of their products and b) piss off their established customer base who likes the art direction? Does that sound like a good business plan if what they're doing is making their game grow exponentially larger?

"Hey guys we're doing real good with what we're doing so far! Let's do something else that will piss off our current customers and invest on stuff that we're not sure will fly but whatever!" Truthfully it sounds like something GW would do.

But unlike you I dont think the current customer Base would get "pissed off", Many play infinity just because there is nothing better to play...and they want the SCI FI, and they have left 40k because of the rules..

The same goes for Warmachine/hordes the Main reason me and everyone I know play Privateer press games is because of the rules, "And the Miniatures are acceptable", But they do not make me go OMG I must have this because it is so dam cool.. It is more "OMG this thing has these rules I need it to beat my opponent". I buy the miniatures because of the rules its has not because I think it is cool...

Sadly 40k and WHF still make me go OMG that is so cool, and then I have to constrain meself and remind myself the rules suck, and even if the miniatures are aswome it will not be fun to play the game...

This is a hugh diffrence, and My guess is that if GW came out with decent rules many of us would drop whatever stand in game we are playing and go back to playing it... Because the Miniatures are still Awsome... I hate to admit this because I hate GW(because they make Crapy gak rules). But I still want their miniatures...

 zlayer77 wrote:

The game is good and that has helped them to grow.. but to get even more people into the game they need to change up the miniatures more... Because even if you have not come across them, there are alot of us who do not like the Art design.. and think it is a design mess

And if they threw in Big monsters and, Flashed out the Factions better would you Dudes stop playing the game? if your beloved spec ops where still there but maybe limited to say half the factions? I think NOT.. and then the people like me who like big monsters could also get into the FUN....

Ps: Big Monsters are also totaly in line with "anime" style if they are going for that... so it would not break the lore.. But more BIG STUFF, I do like the Big things in infinity but there is just not enough of it.. and It would not hurt to FIX that alien faction that mostly look human (accept that cool sniper that looks like its crawling on the ground)... more diversity would not hurt the game that is one of the points I am trying to make here.. Flash out the Factions, and make them more unique and even more people will start playing...

In terms of mess, what is it you see most? Colour schemes is an obvious point and one they're addressing. It might be in presentation, because if you put all the Japanese sectorial ones together in their colours, they do look unified and you see the links across all of the models like the hakama and shoulder shape on the heavier infantry that run all the way up to the giant robot suit. In the larger Oriental faction they belong to, they share armour shapes and guns, but they start to vary a lot more and the colour clashes.

I wouldn't mind more based on the shape of these though:

http://www.infinitythegame.com/infinity/en/2011/miniatures/obsidon-medchanoid/
http://www.infinitythegame.com/infinity/en/2011/miniatures/the-anathematics/
http://www.infinitythegame.com/infinity/en/2011/miniatures/drones/
http://www.infinitythegame.com/infinity/en/2011/miniatures/slave-drones/

The drone ones especially give the impression of a nonhuman, which would be cool to have in larger (TAG) form.

 zlayer77 wrote:


But unlike you I dont think the current customer Base would get "pissed off", Many play infinity just because there is nothing better to play...and they want the SCI FI, and they have left 40k because of the rules..

Uh, no. Where did you get that idea? Ask Infinity players and most of them would answer they got hooked because of the models. You can create a separate thread with a poll, if you want. I'm very confident that majority of the players love the models. You know, because I actually read and post on Infinty threads and see that that is what the players like about the game.

And this is me being part of the ACTUAL customer base. You know, the ones who're gonna be pissed if they change Infinity to suit what you want. But you know, whatever.

 heartserenade wrote:

 zlayer77 wrote:


But unlike you I dont think the current customer Base would get "pissed off", Many play infinity just because there is nothing better to play...and they want the SCI FI, and they have left 40k because of the rules..

Uh, no. Where did you get that idea? Ask Infinity players and most of them would answer they got hooked because of the models. You can create a separate thread with a poll, if you want. I'm very confident that majority of the players love the models. You know, because I actually read and post on Infinty threads and see that that is what the players like about the game.

Well we live across the world from one another, but the people I have asked who play it around here mostly say the same thing " I want to play a SCI FI game and Infinity was the best i could find on the market if I dident want to play 40k"....

And in my closest gaming group about a dussin people nobody wants to give it a shot because they dont like the Faction design..:( I dont like it either but I'm not overjoyed with Privateer press either. My gargantuan looks like he is reaching for an ICE cream cone hehe but I can live with it if the game is good...

 heartserenade wrote:

 zlayer77 wrote:


But unlike you I dont think the current customer Base would get "pissed off", Many play infinity just because there is nothing better to play...and they want the SCI FI, and they have left 40k because of the rules..

Uh, no. Where did you get that idea? Ask Infinity players and most of them would answer they got hooked because of the models. You can create a separate thread with a poll, if you want. I'm very confident that majority of the players love the models. You know, because I actually read and post on Infinty threads and see that that is what the players like about the game.

And this is me being part of the ACTUAL customer base. You know, the ones who're gonna be pissed if they change Infinity to suit what you want. But you know, whatever.

This infinity player says he got into infinity because of the miniatures and rules, mainly the miniatures.

Whilst I enjoy the 40k fluff and aesthetics I, for one, play Infinity because it's not a 40k wannabe. I've never come across people who complain that the models don't look uniform enough, because at a skirmish scale they often don't (and also don't really need to).

Further, I'd also hate to see them bringing in larger models for the sake of it. There's no need, Infinity isn't that game, and it doesn't need to be.

 Daba wrote:

 zlayer77 wrote:

The game is good and that has helped them to grow.. but to get even more people into the game they need to change up the miniatures more... Because even if you have not come across them, there are alot of us who do not like the Art design.. and think it is a design mess

And if they threw in Big monsters and, Flashed out the Factions better would you Dudes stop playing the game? if your beloved spec ops where still there but maybe limited to say half the factions? I think NOT.. and then the people like me who like big monsters could also get into the FUN....

Ps: Big Monsters are also totaly in line with "anime" style if they are going for that... so it would not break the lore.. But more BIG STUFF, I do like the Big things in infinity but there is just not enough of it.. and It would not hurt to FIX that alien faction that mostly look human (accept that cool sniper that looks like its crawling on the ground)... more diversity would not hurt the game that is one of the points I am trying to make here.. Flash out the Factions, and make them more unique and even more people will start playing...

In terms of mess, what is it you see most? Colour schemes is an obvious point and one they're addressing. It might be in presentation, because if you put all the Japanese sectorial ones together in their colours, they do look unified and you see the links across all of the models like the hakama and shoulder shape on the heavier infantry that run all the way up to the giant robot suit. In the larger Oriental faction they belong to, they share armour shapes and guns, but they start to vary a lot more and the colour clashes.

I wouldn't mind more based on the shape of these though:

http://www.infinitythegame.com/infinity/en/2011/miniatures/obsidon-medchanoid/
http://www.infinitythegame.com/infinity/en/2011/miniatures/the-anathematics/
http://www.infinitythegame.com/infinity/en/2011/miniatures/drones/
http://www.infinitythegame.com/infinity/en/2011/miniatures/slave-drones/

The drone ones especially give the impression of a nonhuman, which would be cool to have in larger (TAG) form.

I aggree those shapes are totaly cool, they should have made more of them .. The main thing I'm trying to get accross is that I personaly think Infinity would benefit with a clear Faction design and that if they did that going forward it would not "piss off any current customers", and would probably bring more people into the game..

 zlayer77 wrote:

 heartserenade wrote:

 zlayer77 wrote:


But unlike you I dont think the current customer Base would get "pissed off", Many play infinity just because there is nothing better to play...and they want the SCI FI, and they have left 40k because of the rules..

Uh, no. Where did you get that idea? Ask Infinity players and most of them would answer they got hooked because of the models. You can create a separate thread with a poll, if you want. I'm very confident that majority of the players love the models. You know, because I actually read and post on Infinty threads and see that that is what the players like about the game.

Well we live across the world from one another,

And actual people who are actually playing the game saying that they love the miniatures in an INTERNATIONAL forum (you know, where anyone with an internet access can post) doesn't make you want to put your opinion into perspective?

Have you asked those people you know who play if they don't like the models themselves?

This is basically what you're doing:

Mcdonalds: Hey guys we sell burgers and fries!
Zlayer: Yeah, that sucks. You should ditch the burgers and fries and sell corned beef instead.
Mcdonalds: But this is what our customers actually want. The ones who buy from us. We're making money out of it.
Zlayer: But me and my friends really like corned beef and we don't like burgers nor fries.

It just seems very weird to me. It's almost as if you're asking them to fix something that isn't even broken (and most likely what makes them actually good) because you personally don't like it.

Akragth wrote:
Whilst I enjoy the 40k fluff and aesthetics I, for one, play Infinity because it's not a 40k wannabe. I've never come across people who complain that the models don't look uniform enough, because at a skirmish scale they often don't (and also don't really need to).

Further, I'd also hate to see them bringing in larger models for the sake of it. There's no need, Infinity isn't that game, and it doesn't need to be.

Doesn't need to be is not the same as It must not be hehe

Well I don't want a 40k clone I just want a cleary designed Faction were everything at a galanze seems to FIT...

We can take Star Wars for example the "empire" and the "rebels" both have a clear Faction design...

Making a decent Faction design is not a bad thing, and If you ask around in your local infinity Playing Groups:

Would you stop playing if Corvus Belli stopped mixing alot of diffrent themse in every Factions.. For example if they redesigned the Ariadna Faction (dropped all the French stuff) and focused only on more Wolfs and Kilts, and english looking spec ops, And made a large WOLF on a hughe base that looked super Awsome.. And had for example WOLF riders (as Ariadnas Bikes) would you quit infinity?

Or made that Haqqislam faction more "dessert looking" with Cool desert snakes as pets that could jump out and eat people.. they could even have a dude riding a giant Desert snake. would you quit infinity?

It dosen't take much but changes like that would Flash out the Factions and make them more uniqe and would in my mind help the game alot.. And Who dosen't like big monsters??

according to people on these boards who play infinity and have posted in this thread one of the most popular factions is Ariadna, I do not think it is a coincidence, that it also happens to be one of the more uniqe and better designed factions in the game...

 zlayer77 wrote:
And Who dosen't like big monsters??

Me and the other people that support CB and Infinity already. Oh, and I don't play Infinity becouse their is nothing better out there. I play Infinity becouse IT IS the BEST game. Plus, thank to Warpath even if GW came out with a rock soild rule set, I still would never go back. They had years to fix the issues, their lose not mine as there are so many better systems out there.

But, really what is the need to use the models made for a game if you aren't going to offical tournaments. Use what you like the looks of and what you like the rules for, why settle and fluff is not tied to rules, either.

 zlayer77 wrote:
Doesn't need to be is not the same as It must not be hehe

Well I don't want a 40k clone I just want a cleary designed Faction were everything at a galanze seems to FIT...

We can take Star Wars for example the "empire" and the "rebels" both have a clear Faction design...

Making a decent Faction design is not a bad thing, and If you ask around in your local infinity Playing Groups:

Would you stop playing if Corvus Belli stopped mixing alot of diffrent themse in every Factions.. For example if they redesigned the Ariadna Faction (dropped all the French stuff) and focused only on more Wolfs and Kilts, and english looking spec ops, And made a large WOLF on a hughe base that looked super Awsome.. And had for example WOLF riders (as Ariadnas Bikes) would you quit infinity?

Or made that Haqqislam faction more "dessert looking" with Cool desert snakes as pets that could jump out and eat people.. the could even have a dude riding a giant Desert snake. would you quit infinity?

It dosen't take much to get a much but changes like that would Flash out the Factions and make them more uniqe.. And Who dosen't like big monsters??

There's no need for gimmicks like that. The factions aren't a single entity, they're a grouping of several, they do not require a uniformed look because they're not rank and file troops. The factions are identifiable, if you bother to look at them. You seem to confuse your lack of understand/familiarity with a design flaw. Each faction is designed, much as with Malifaux, to primarily use of entity of that faction as your force. Simply looking at the starter sets shows as much. Those subfactions, say the Scots for Ariadna, do look alike. Do the Scots need to look like the French? No, they do not.

Now, you used star wars as your example, please tell me how these two have any sort of cohesion in their appearance:

http://www.jedi-business.com/images/actionFigures/e6/e6_EndorRebelTrooper_Big_6.jpg
http://www.tk560.com/RFtroopers1.jpg

At a glance they look like entirely different things, too. It's only your familiarity that tells you they're both pictures of rebel troops.

And no, huge monsters wouldn't fit the game. Suggesting they might only appears to show that you have a total lack of comprehension regarding the game.

Zlayer77
No, defenatly no. I would quit.
I do not expect anyone around me to be wanting that from infinity.

If it comes down to it, around here and the other hpgaming community's nomads are one of the more popular factions.
They are unique and deverse and quite irregular in there design and they are stronger for it.
I just can't see your design flaws as presented, it sounds to me more like personal likes and dislikes. Which is ok.
But to change infinity to what you want would be a design failure and certenly lose custermers that like what they are doing now.

I don't want big monsters, and I certenly don't want the design to change for any of the factions I have and play with :0

Wait... are you serious?

Those are terrible suggestions. Like, really terrible suggestions. And yes, I think people would quit if you do those.

The French faction is a huge turn on for Ariadna players.
The wolves are actually one of the things that are yes/no/maybe to a lot of Ariadna players. Making them a wolf faction would piss them off. Infinity is not Warmahordes.
Desert snakes? And a dude riding giant desert snake. In a specs op game? Are you fething serious. are you trying to make Haqqislam into Space Wolves, only instead of Space Wolves you get Space Snakes?

You seem to want to make Infinity into a GW-esque game.

 zlayer77 wrote:
Many play infinity just because there is nothing better to play...and they want the SCI FI, and they have left 40k because of the rules..

Sadly 40k and WHF still make me go OMG that is so cool, and then I have to constrain meself and remind myself the rules suck, and even if the miniatures are aswome it will not be fun to play the game...

This is a hugh diffrence, and My guess is that if GW came out with decent rules many of us would drop whatever stand in game we are playing and go back to playing it... Because the Miniatures are still Awsome... I hate to admit this because I hate GW(because they make Crapy gak rules). But I still want their miniatures...

There's that attitude that keeps popping up to bite me in the arse, that wargaming consists only of partitioned, all-in-one, box set games, or whatever's most visible and 'kewl' right now. How do you know that sci-fi gaming consists of 40K and Infinity, and nothing else? Would it blow your mind to know that you can take your 40K/WFB minis and *gasp* use them with other rules? Would it blow your mind just to know that such compatible rules exist? Have you read this topic...?

Try this. This is not a pipe, this is not the Warhammer world, and this is not S9 AP2 H1.

Akragth wrote:
Would you stop playing if Corvus Belli stopped mixing alot of diffrent themse in every Factions.. For example if they redesigned the Ariadna Faction (dropped all the French stuff) and focused only on more Wolfs and Kilts, and english looking spec ops, And made a large WOLF on a hughe base that looked super Awsome.. And had for example WOLF riders (as Ariadnas Bikes) would you quit infinity?

It would sure as hell make me drop my Ariadnas and seriously question wtf CB where doing. Wolf riders are just dumb outside of a fantasy setting where cavalry makes sense and there should not be huge based monsters in a skirmish game. Or monsters at all really. Because, you know, it's a sifi game not space fantasy like 40k.


You're telling us that CB should change everything about their game to suit you. That's simply not going to happen. Infinity is not a game for you, fine, there is nothing wrong with that no game is going to appeal to everyone in the entire market but stop acting like you're idea of fun is somehow going to attract more people than the thousands that have been driving CB through massive growth the last few years who love the game and models for exactly what they are.

zlayer77 wrote:
Would you stop playing if Corvus Belli stopped mixing alot of diffrent themse in every Factions.. For example if they redesigned the Ariadna Faction (dropped all the French stuff) and focused only on more Wolfs and Kilts, and english looking spec ops, And made a large WOLF on a hughe base that looked super Awsome.. And had for example WOLF riders (as Ariadnas Bikes) would you quit infinity?

Or made that Haqqislam faction more "dessert looking" with Cool desert snakes as pets that could jump out and eat people.. they could even have a dude riding a giant Desert snake. would you quit infinity?

Vermis wrote:"dese puny humans are borin'! I know what this thing needs - 'uge monstars wiv gnashy teeth! You can 'ave that idea for free, that 'un's yours, my son..."

Awesome bro!

No wait... What would be better is if they also made all these Haqqislam guys like wear snakeskin all the time, and have like all these snake badges and snake teeth all over their armour, and have some of them turn into snakes 'cos they're all like cursed and deformed and tormented but like in a cool badass Hugh Jackman way, and get rid of that goofy Haqqislam name 'cos nobody would figure out what that means and has like spellin' mistakes with all those Qs anyway and just call them something imaginative and badass like 'Space Snakes', and give them all names like 'Anaconda el-Ophid' and 'Achmed Sidewinder' and 'Cobrafang McMurdervenom' just in case some dummies don't get the connection, and maybe like give one guy a little sled, like a little round flying hoversled that he stands up in like a badass skateboard, but get this, it doesn't just fly by itself, is has to be pulled along by like two giant snake monsters!

AWESOME BRO

 zlayer77 wrote:


The game is good and that has helped them to grow.. but to get even more people into the game they need to change up the miniatures more... Because even if you have not come across them, there are alot of us who do not like the Art design.. and think it is a design mess

And if they threw in Big monsters and, Flashed out the Factions better would you Dudes stop playing the game? if your beloved spec ops where still there but maybe limited to say half the factions? I think NOT.. and then the people like me who like big monsters could also get into the FUN....

Ps: Big Monsters are also totaly in line with "anime" style if they are going for that... so it would not break the lore.. But more BIG STUFF, I do like the Big things in infinity but there is just not enough of it.. and It would not hurt to FIX that alien faction that mostly look human (accept that cool sniper that looks like its crawling on the ground)... more diversity would not hurt the game that is one of the points I am trying to make here.. Flash out the Factions, and make them more unique and even more people will start playing...

There is a quote that fits your argument and it goes like this: "If you change everything that people don't like about a Porsche you end up with a Volkswagen."