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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/11/19 19:53:51
Subject: Kings of War Fantasy Battle Game - 2nd Edition by Mantic Games Kickstarter (Live and funded)
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Foxy Wildborne
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Yeah, not feeling this one. I'm afraid it might be a slooow slog through the next 15k.
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The old meta is dead and the new meta struggles to be born. Now is the time of munchkins. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/11/19 19:56:03
Subject: Kings of War Fantasy Battle Game - 2nd Edition by Mantic Games Kickstarter (Live and funded)
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Grim Dark Angels Interrogator-Chaplain
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Cheers Thraxas for the product breakdown.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/11/19 20:13:28
Subject: Kings of War Fantasy Battle Game - 2nd Edition by Mantic Games Kickstarter (Live and funded)
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Screaming Shining Spear
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Cavalry are on 25x50 bases, so the 125x50 is a cavalry troop and a 125x100 is a cavalry regiment
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/11/19 20:26:05
Subject: Re:Kings of War Fantasy Battle Game - 2nd Edition by Mantic Games Kickstarter (Live and funded)
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Experienced Saurus Scar-Veteran
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The abyssal dwarfs are restic? How's the quality on them?
They were pre- Kickstarter, weren't they?
Unless we see nature units (which means Salamanders for me!), I keep scoping out those evil little dwarfs.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/11/19 20:52:55
Subject: Kings of War Fantasy Battle Game - 2nd Edition by Mantic Games Kickstarter (Live and funded)
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Regular Dakkanaut
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In other news, they released the $1 pledge for add-ons only, meaning if you want Blaine on the dinosaur you can just pledge for that or just one of the armies that are good vlaue.
There's also a backer goal for passing the first one.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/11/19 20:56:04
Subject: Kings of War Fantasy Battle Game - 2nd Edition by Mantic Games Kickstarter (Live and funded)
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Whelp, 2 updates to post now I'm home
Update #10 Nov 19 2014
Add-on Wednesday is here!
It’s a double-update for you today since a) we’re close to breaking the initial number of backers that the original Kings of War campaign generated, and b) it’s Add-on Wednesday!
So let’s tackle that backer number first shall we?
BONUS 1569 Backers - Kickstarter Exclusive "Map of Mantica" and Poster
1568 people backed the project making the original Kings of War campaign in 2012 a roaring success. In just 5 days we’ve nearly matched that, so it’s only right we celebrate!
One of the great goals in the original campaign was a lithoprint of the Mantic Map.
In an act of nostalgia, when we break the 1568 mark, we will enhance the Kings of War Map of Mantica to a whole new level of detail. We will then print a limited Kickstarter-only commemorative run of this brand new Map of Mantica and add it free in every pledge of Living Legend ($50) and up.
The reverse side of the map will be a poster featuring the new Kings of War 2nd Edition artwork.
We think this great looking piece of art will look great up on the wall, and really celebrates this milestone with something very fitting.
Add-on Wednesday
Welcome to the first Add-on Wednesday!
For those of you who don’t know, every Wednesday during a Kickstarter we release a crop of great value extras we think you might want to add on to your pledge. It might be gameplay aids or some hobby bits and pieces – these are things that don’t need funding but can get you extra value from the campaign.
And if there’s nothing that takes your fancy, well there’s always next time.
So here's what we have got on offer today…
NEW! Army Dice - $10 for 10 custom engraved Army Dice
We’ve got 9 different sets of dice with specially engraved army logos on the “6”
That’s right, there’s a set each for Abyssal Dwarfs, Basilea, Dwarfs, Elves, Forces of the Abyss, Goblins, Ogres, Orcs and Undead. Let us know your preference on colours in the comments!
NEW! Battle Dice - $5 for 50 Dice
For Kings of War, you need a lot of six-sided dice – whole handfuls of them! This add-on is there just to get you lots of plain simple white dice, for a great value-for-money price. Can’t argue with that, can ya?
NEW! Kings of War Army Painter Paint Set - $25
All of the classic colours (and a brush!) to get you started painting your Starter Armies.
NEW! Movement Trays
Ah yes, movement trays. Our friends over at Warbases have got a fantastic range of MDF movement trays for your armies.
As every army has a different mix of miniatures with 20mm, 25mm, 40mm and even 50mm based miniatures - which can be configured in different ways - we've simplified how you choose your movement trays.
Below are 3 easy bundles so you can get the trays you want for your armies:
For example, if I have an Undead army, I might choose:
- 2 Horde Trays for the 40 Skeletons and 40 Zombies.
- 2 Regiment Trays for the 20 Ghouls and 20 Revenants.
- 2 Troop Trays for the 10 Wraiths and 3 Werewolves.
Alternatively, I might decide to use the two spare Troops Trays with the 20 Ghouls, giving me a second Regiment tray to split the Skeletons and run them as units of 20. Total flexibility!
To clarify the descriptions:
- Troops - 10 Infantry, 5 Cavalry or 3 Large Infantry
- Regiments - 20 Infantry, 10 Cavalry or 6 Large Infantry
- Hordes - 40 Infantry, 20 Cavalry or 12 Large Infantry
For a list of base sizes for each of the units available so far, click here.
PLEASE REMEMBER!
You don't need to make your choices until after the Kickstarter has finished - if you are unsure on what trays you need for your army, don't panic. You can always add them on later and we'll be happy to help you work out what you need.
Pledging and selecting Optional Add-ons
To get an Optional Add-on, click “Manage my Pledge” in the top right corner of the Kickstarter page and input the total value of everything you want. For example, if you’re at God of War ($150) and want an Abyssal Starter Army ($50), you would enter $200 as your total pledge.
When the campaign has finished, we will send you access to an automated Pledge Manager. On here you will input your choices and let us know what you would like for your pledge.
And finally...
We’ve introduced the new $1 Adventurer pledge level.
This pledge level is to make a clearer step-on for people who only just want the add-ons, whether that’s the exclusive Blaine on Gramakh or just an army.
Please help us spread the word and we'll be back very shortly with a new stretch goal...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/11/19 20:56:46
Subject: Kings of War Fantasy Battle Game - 2nd Edition by Mantic Games Kickstarter (Live and funded)
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Regular Dakkanaut
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They're okay. I've never had a problem with them, but Restic is restic, I suppose.
They do mix and match with Plastic dwarfs quite nicely, though, so you can spread the abyssal love  .
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/11/19 20:59:38
Subject: Kings of War Fantasy Battle Game - 2nd Edition by Mantic Games Kickstarter (Live and funded)
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Brigadier General
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Riquende wrote: Eilif wrote:
Not a fan of this. Single figure units are a great way to make up extra points and it can be a nice way to paint an interesting model and put it in your army without commiting to an entire unit. Rather than getting rid of them, why not just limit each player to taking no more than one of each available type of single-model infantry.
Well, from what's being said your interesting model will now become a minor hero instead, so is still very much usable.
That really doesn't help anything, because then you're losing another hero or warmachine. Not a great trade-off.
Definitely not a deal breaker as far as my involvement in the game, but there are better ways to handle single-mini-infantry spam.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/11/19 21:00:55
Subject: Kings of War Fantasy Battle Game - 2nd Edition by Mantic Games Kickstarter (Live and funded)
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
UK
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and update 2: and to be frank I'm disappointed in all of us Dungeon Saga backers, we clearly failed to beat up that big boss properly, so Boo, I say, Boo, we suck
Update #11 Nov 19 2014
Wrath of the Abyss
And bang - we've done it!
That's now the Undead Necromancer and the Dwarf Warsmith funded!
These metal miniatures with variant components are now included in their respective Mega-Starter Armies. They are also now available to add-on to your pledge for $8 each.
So, what's next?
Back in the days in the build up to the campaign, Ronnie spoke about a Global Campaign that had world-altering consequences.
We’ve been chatting about this in the comments and you said, “Yep, we’d like that!” – so that’s what we’ve gone and done…
NEW! BONUS: $190,000 Kings of War Worldwide Campaign
Our initial funding goal means a brand new rulebook for Kings of War. In it you be able to delve into the history of the world, and in turn many of its races, building a fantasy universe in which to play your games. You’ll have the second edition of the rules, streamlined and updated and new, upgraded army lists for every force, and you’ll get new art and photography to bring it all to life.
As you know, Kings of War is the project led by the gaming community, and we want to keep it that way. We were also asked to let the community feedback shape the world, preferably through the games they play. That’s what the Wrath of the Abyss campaign is about…
The Necromancer Lord Mortibris has ascended using the wisdom of Valandor, torn from the pages of his own Tome. The terrible power unleased has sundered the very fabric of the world, creating a new outlet for the powers of the Abyss, spewing out the creatures of darkness to besmirch the world above. The good peoples of the world must unite in the face of this new threat, or face extinction.
With a working title of “Wrath of the Abyss” this book is a supplementary campaign for Kings of War. Whereas the mighty 2nd Edition Rulebook contains all your rules, army lists, hobby and history, Wrath of the Abyss focuses in on a particular storyline: a tale where your games will ultimately impact on the fantasy world we all fight in.
A story for the ages
Although weakened by the bravery of 4 heroes, a saga that denied him the cataclysmic ‘Book of Truth’, the Necromancer Mortibris has still managed to raise the great Undead Demon Lord Ba’al from his eternal rest and along with him demonic hordes and terrifying legions of the Undead. With the celestial Valandor returned, great armies of Men, Dwarfs and Elves rise to do battle and fight back against this world changing evil. Which side will you pick?
Fight incredible battles and interact with a global community
Whether at home, at your local gaming club or in the store of one of the thousands of gaming stores, no matter where you are in the world you can log the results of your battles in an online system, where the outcome affects the future of Mantica. Will cities fall? Will nations burn? Only your actions, and those of your fellow warriors, will decide.
Stretch Goal:
If we break this stretch goal, we will be able to write and produce Wrath of the Abyss: A Kings of War Supplementary Campaign Book and create a digital platform for logging your results. The outcome of this global campaign will have an irrevocable effect on the Kings of War universe.
To celebrate hitting this stretch goal, we will include a digital version of the book free in every pledge of Living Legend ($50) and up.
You can also add on a printed copy of the supplement for $10.
As central characters in the main plot of Wrath of the Abyss - and important characters from the Dungeon Saga Kickstarter - we’ve also made the Undead Demon Lord Ba’al and the demi-god celestian Valandor available in this campaign character pack, introducing them to Kings of War for the first time. You can pledge for these by adding on $20 to your pledge.
Ba’ el
Cast to the deepest pit of the Abyss, his soul trapped and bound in the very Tome of Valandor itself, Ba’ el has now returned to take his revenge. Half mad with rage and spite, his physical frame racked by the changes wrought upon it by the weird powers of the Abyss, Ba’ el has only one focus – the destruction of his ‘brother’ Valandor, and his ascension to true Godhood.
Valandor
A legendary hero from the time before the Great Flood, Valandor’s true nature was revealed when he returned to battle the creatures of the Abyss once again. Now he faces a terrible choice – destroy one half of his immortal being, or watch the world of mortals burn to ashes.
This new book will focus on the battle between the Undead, Forces of the Abyss, Elves, Dwarfs and Basileans – and these armies will be getting reinforcements next...
But don’t despair if you don’t play one of these armies – with enough funding Orcs, Ogres, Abyssal Dwarfs and Goblins will get their turn in the limelight too
Let's get to it!
Automatically Appended Next Post: I hope people notice that they are referring to Ba' el and Valandor as Plastic.....
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/11/19 21:02:35
Subject: Kings of War Fantasy Battle Game - 2nd Edition by Mantic Games Kickstarter (Live and funded)
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Novice Knight Errant Pilot
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Vampire knights next? Based of the weapon teaser at the bottom. Maybe some kind of vampire infantry?
....Ba'el and Valandor are board games plastic
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http://thelaughterofthedamned.blogspot.co.uk/
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/11/19 21:04:43
Subject: Kings of War Fantasy Battle Game - 2nd Edition by Mantic Games Kickstarter (Live and funded)
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
UK
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edlowe wrote:Vampire knights next? Based of the weapon teaser at the bottom. Maybe some kind of vampire infantry?
....Ba' el and Valandor are board games plastic
Oh that a touch annoying
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/11/19 21:06:09
Subject: Kings of War Fantasy Battle Game - 2nd Edition by Mantic Games Kickstarter (Live and funded)
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Novice Knight Errant Pilot
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yeah their exactly the same as the ds figures, so if your getting them free in ds no need to pick them up here.
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http://thelaughterofthedamned.blogspot.co.uk/
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/11/19 21:47:37
Subject: Kings of War Fantasy Battle Game - 2nd Edition by Mantic Games Kickstarter (Live and funded)
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Unstoppable Bloodthirster of Khorne
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Daedleh wrote:Ogres would be good for you, yes. They currently have units of 3 and 6 models, though they'll be getting a horde of 12 in the new edition.
Will that be 6x2, or 3x4?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/11/19 21:48:53
Subject: Kings of War Fantasy Battle Game - 2nd Edition by Mantic Games Kickstarter (Live and funded)
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Regular Dakkanaut
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6x2 would follow the trend, but that's as much a guess as anything else.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/11/19 21:55:07
Subject: Kings of War Fantasy Battle Game - 2nd Edition by Mantic Games Kickstarter (Live and funded)
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Unstoppable Bloodthirster of Khorne
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Daedleh wrote:No way! Using terrain and multiple units!
I still don't see anything that a single troll does that a troop of trolls, sniffs or axes wouldn't.
Cheaper point costs, looks cooler, personal choice, etc.
Please don't fall into the trap (that is incredibly common with videogame designers) of "you're doing it wrong - you're having fun the wrong way - not in the way I intended!"
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/11/19 21:57:16
Subject: Kings of War Fantasy Battle Game - 2nd Edition by Mantic Games Kickstarter (Live and funded)
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Indescriminate Explicator
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The horn with the monster head in the teaser is very similar in shape and style of the Dwarf instrument on their command sprue.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/11/19 22:03:05
Subject: Kings of War Fantasy Battle Game - 2nd Edition by Mantic Games Kickstarter (Live and funded)
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Loyal Necron Lychguard
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I really like the board game plastic from Mars Attacks.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/11/19 22:06:34
Subject: Kings of War Fantasy Battle Game - 2nd Edition by Mantic Games Kickstarter (Live and funded)
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Unstoppable Bloodthirster of Khorne
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I'm going to assume "premium plastic" - (ie restic), unless it's specified otherwise.
edit - Ah, I see. they're the same BG plastic figures as in DKS.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/11/19 22:08:01
Subject: Kings of War Fantasy Battle Game - 2nd Edition by Mantic Games Kickstarter (Live and funded)
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Regular Dakkanaut
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They're Board Game plastic.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/11/19 22:26:56
Subject: Re:Kings of War Fantasy Battle Game - 2nd Edition by Mantic Games Kickstarter (Live and funded)
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Experienced Saurus Scar-Veteran
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So vampire dwarfs then?
Shield looks like the Basilean Men at Arms' one.
Maybe a mixed race vampiric unit?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/11/19 22:38:04
Subject: Re:Kings of War Fantasy Battle Game - 2nd Edition by Mantic Games Kickstarter (Live and funded)
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Joined the Military for Authentic Experience
On an Express Elevator to Hell!!
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Think the online, worldwide campaign thing is a very good idea!
Used to absolutely love these when GW used to do them decently, likes of Eye of Terror and the like, and if its implemented well then it can be really good fun.
In the days of internet communities there will also be that much more interaction between the players taking part in it.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/11/19 22:39:52
Subject: Kings of War Fantasy Battle Game - 2nd Edition by Mantic Games Kickstarter (Live and funded)
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Unhealthy Competition With Other Legions
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Random question. Has anyone bought the Perry Miniatures Foot Knights to use instead of the Men at Arms? I see they are actually released but have not heard much about them. I was going to pull the trigger on 40 Swords of Manann but now I am considering the PM Foot Knights.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/11/19 22:51:07
Subject: Kings of War Fantasy Battle Game - 2nd Edition by Mantic Games Kickstarter (Live and funded)
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Unstoppable Bloodthirster of Khorne
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NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:Is it just me, or do those mdf movement trays seem pricey to buy in the volume needed for 2000pt armies?
I just get the HIPS ones Renedra make from Firestorm. Cheap and work perfectly with the 20mm-based figures. Sure, they don't cover everything, but it works for a lot of stuff, and they're cheap enough that I just bought a few packs and now have a huge supply. Automatically Appended Next Post: Well, from what's being said your interesting model will now become a minor hero instead, so is still very much usable.
That really doesn't help anything, because then you're losing another hero or warmachine. Not a great trade-off.
Definitely not a deal breaker as far as my involvement in the game, but there are better ways to handle single-mini-infantry spam.
Agreed. I'm not happy about a new version of "The Vision" coming along and invalidating existing units. I completely understand and agree with getting rid of single-model-spam-lists but removing the flexibility of even "0-3 per 1000pts" with the argument of "why wouldn't you take three?" isn't really a counter-argument, especially since "0-3" (or 0-2, or whatever) will obviously render spam-lists impossible.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/11/19 22:58:16
Subject: Kings of War Fantasy Battle Game - 2nd Edition by Mantic Games Kickstarter (Live and funded)
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Near Golden Daemon Caliber
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I liked the fantasy one they did back in the day. Was it storm of chaos? We didn't get in a lot of games but it was fun submitting them anyway.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/11/19 22:58:19
Subject: Kings of War Fantasy Battle Game - 2nd Edition by Mantic Games Kickstarter (Live and funded)
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Unstoppable Bloodthirster of Khorne
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primalexile wrote:Random question. Has anyone bought the Perry Miniatures Foot Knights to use instead of the Men at Arms? I see they are actually released but have not heard much about them. I was going to pull the trigger on 40 Swords of Manann but now I am considering the PM Foot Knights.
I haven't got the foot knights yet, but I have the mounted ones. Beautiful models. Can't recommend them highly enough.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/11/19 23:59:08
Subject: Kings of War Fantasy Battle Game - 2nd Edition by Mantic Games Kickstarter (Live and funded)
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Brigadier General
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primalexile wrote:Random question. Has anyone bought the Perry Miniatures Foot Knights to use instead of the Men at Arms? I see they are actually released but have not heard much about them. I was going to pull the trigger on 40 Swords of Manann but now I am considering the PM Foot Knights.
I've not purchased them, but I've been following every Perry release and reading the reviews. They're all really nice kits. Mantic has done a few nice plastic kits, but nothing even close to Perry.
Depending on how you want your forces to look, The Perry plastic "Mercenaries" or "War of the Roses Infantry" boxes offer less armored medieval infantry options that are just as high quality. Or you can buy a combination of boxes and mix and match pieces to customize your own force.
Here's more info about the Mercenaries
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/328301.page
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/11/19 23:59:19
Subject: Kings of War Fantasy Battle Game - 2nd Edition by Mantic Games Kickstarter (Live and funded)
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Multispectral Nisse
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Azazelx wrote:
That really doesn't help anything, because then you're losing another hero or warmachine. Not a great trade-off.
Another bemoaned 'tactic' was a swarm of mounted standard bearers rushing off to hunt warmachines; so this solution actually addresses two problems instead of one! Are you really using all your hero slots every game? I can't say I've ever approached even half of the heroes I have room for. I can't accept it's a trade-off; it's just a new way of using units that were previously being abused. Hopefully they get do get a 'hero' profile with a few more attacks etc to account for a slight points bump.
Your 0-3 solution doesn't work for me as it's unlike anything else in the ' FO' rules. The proposed solution fits far better, achieves the aim of limiting spam armies, and has no real downsides that I can see, unless for some reason you were spamming heroes (like the aforementioned flag-waving cannon-hunters)
Also remember that (unless it's been said that it's changing, which is possible), a regular unit allows you to take one hero AND one warmachine, not one or the other.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/11/20 00:02:59
Subject: Kings of War Fantasy Battle Game - 2nd Edition by Mantic Games Kickstarter (Live and funded)
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Noise Marine Terminator with Sonic Blaster
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Riquende wrote:Are you really using all your hero slots every game? I can't say I've ever approached even half of the heroes I have room for.
For Ogres there is probably an issue with the points-to-access ratio for heros/monsters/war machines, Az is an Ogre player IIRC.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/11/20 00:04:17
Subject: Kings of War Fantasy Battle Game - 2nd Edition by Mantic Games Kickstarter (Live and funded)
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Joined the Military for Authentic Experience
On an Express Elevator to Hell!!
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primalexile wrote:Random question. Has anyone bought the Perry Miniatures Foot Knights to use instead of the Men at Arms? I see they are actually released but have not heard much about them. I was going to pull the trigger on 40 Swords of Manann but now I am considering the PM Foot Knights.
They're absolutely fantastic miniatures, and compliment the existing metal miniatures in that range very well.
Here is a review of the set I made when they were fist released, hopefully will help you decide! It's about 1/3rd down this page:
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/60/609109.page
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/11/20 00:49:28
Subject: Re:Kings of War Fantasy Battle Game - 2nd Edition by Mantic Games Kickstarter (Live and funded)
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[DCM]
Incorporating Wet-Blending
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Hm. Add-on Wednesday was a little underwhelming.
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